Maybe a stupid question, but why is one of your shamans dropping rank4 mana spring totems?
The other shaman drops the rank5 one. Did i miss something and rank4 is more mana effective or something?

I am absolutely at a loss to explain that :-P

http://www.ajjasnoch.com/wws/wws-20070530-1857/

Our latest gruul.

my party (beergut(cDagger), poosnarf(cDagger), arluz(MS), rotscum(enhance), kamios(cFist))

salvation from the pally till switching to might at the last 30%, agility exlixir, MoTW and group buffs, rotscum also popped drums with heroism.

http://www.partyjouren.se/wow/wws-20...119/index.html

Tidewalker today. Not the fastest of kill but I am pretty satisfied with my own performance even though it could have been alot better without watery graves and some aggroproblems...

Uh, what exactly are you using as the basis for this claim?

Set bonus is likely the difference here.

On one of my guild's Mag attempts we actually had a hunter pull aggro on Mag at roughly 50% I believe.

Why would the hunters not have Might/Kings (survivability), or better yet Might/BoW for increased performance over a long or mana intensive fight?

May I take my list of questions one step further, and propose to Blizzard:

Why were hunters given Feigh Death?

So that we use it twice, every 10% from the start and then pull aggro when boss is at 50% as you're not paying attention on ktm at that point. -.-

Re-reading my post, and not wanting to re-edit, I come off quite rude and I appologize.

I've been envious of FD for my entire time playing WoW, and I cry because I have to go through 10+minute Mag fights with Salvation instead of Wisdom (significant increase in total damage out) because I can't reset my threat.

I suppose it just irks me deep down when a hunter manages to pull aggro on a raid boss that we've been fighting for several minutes...

wtb osse dps :P. I'll see what I can do tonight on our run through ssc

Our whole Morogrim to compare for, much more evenly spread out DPS I'd say. Our hunters did better than usually, both have just changed for BM, so they are still fresh with the pet thing. Rogues, other than Jarush, are dissapointing, they had (resto) shamans WF and Fury Warrior in their group. Afaik the kill is mostly unpotted, people use what they want in "farm" encounters. Mages had Dip and Trist with them, Chemi + Kisakiree got Zanthas ToW for big part of the fight who was assigned to FFA healing with Argoz left to take care of watery graves.

Morogrim Tidewalker WWS

Post 2.1 I've been suffering from fps-performance issues, and it degrades my performance atleast a bit, running with minimum spelldetail, no raidframes (Pitbull raidframes really seem to stall my fps to 0 every now and then for few milliseconds at time) and lowered resolution and still having less FPS than pre-patch.

And Osse, where is your shadowpriest? Your mages are idling 50% of their time due to being oom. That's like 1M lost damage over 10 minutes or so.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...k1&s=4257,4883

Here is our guild's second Magtheridon kill (my first). I was on cube-clicking duty so that cut down on my DPS time by quite a bit (no Hawkeye). Also, my cube was the furthest from where Magtheridon was tanked so that also trimmed my time some more.

Damage-dealing groups were setup along the lines of:

Shadow Priest
Druid (healing)
3x Mage

BM hunter (me)
Warrior
Shaman
2x rogues

Shadow Priest
Priest (healing)
Warrior
2x Warlock

The final two groups consisted of the other warriors, paladins, feral druid, and everyone else I may have missed.

No actually, its far worse, not all mages aren't even using mana potions, and those that do use the cheap ones... If that weren't enough, they made no effort to maxime DPM whereas OOM, they went with full arcane explosion/dragons breath to really make sure they drained their entire mana pool.

Like I said before, any player will have higher standing if the rest of the players in the group are underperforming. If your mages do a cruddy job at aoe, then that gives the hunter a higher dps merely because that gives them more opportunity at dealing more damage.

For instance, when your gruul kill lasts 3 min, its pretty darn hard to have one player outclassing the others by a wide margin. If your players max their things out, meters mostly spread out on dps, with the groups having class synergy a bit above the others.

EDIT: Although, on closer look, you had almost no damage done to adds. Unless your pet was hitting on them, which i doubt.

Not to be a killjoy, but let's not turn this into another "sustained DPS" thread. Hell, your hosting url even has "epeen" in it.

It's not my ftp.

And perhaps one day our guild's mages and warlocks understand that I'm not just boasting my epeen, it's them slacking that makes that gab so huge if they ever come to read this forum.

My point is that you're posting incomplete parses that clearly don't tell the whole story, when Gurg's 'rules' for the thread specifically forbid doing that. The intent of this thread is to provide other people with useful information about how they can improve their own/their guilds' performance on a specific encounter, and your partial-fight parse and screenshot of someone saying "OMG A BILLION DPS" seem aimed more toward showing how awesome you are in particular, much like the dozens of "here's this damage meter from patchwerk whaddyaknow i'm on top" from the old thread.

Maybe I should've just clicked report. Oh well, too late now.

After today's ssc raid day:

Hydross:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&m&s=3027,3582

For some reason, me, ayane and syrisa are listed as 100% present while we were in fact combat ressed rather late into the fight. We use 4 tanks to hold the adds and aoe them down. 2 paladins, so missing 1 blessing and no dps shaman present.

It went rather slow due to us 3 dying. I also want to share that one of the wipes was caused to Hydross doing a double swap after gaining aggro from a searing totem, one of the highlights of my raiding days.


Anyway,

Leotheras second kill, very sloppy fight which ended with 9 or so people alive:

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=10051,10583


We had 1 paladin this time, the other one kept crashing. He buffed everyone with salvation which wasn't enough apparently.

After that, Fathom-Lord:

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=14016,14474

Pretty easy kill even with no dps shamans and 1 paladin.

Finally, a rather sloppy Morogrim kill from a very tired raid. Lack of paladin/shaman buffs here hurt a bit as it's obvious by the rather huge length of the fight. Also the mages being retarded and dying every murloc pack didn't help.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=17735,18553

Now that I notice it, numbers seem a bit off with morogrim, it's almost as if he had more hp than usual. Top 2 warlocks are fueled by shadow priests and it shows a lot.

We should both be using 2pc cyclone... but maybe he swapped different gear as my ticks seem 2 above his.

1/4th of a fight is a long time. Some people blow trinkets and other long cooldowns (rapid fire?) which can mess with the damage meter.

I'm still getting some bugs worked out of my logging (I'm still paranoid that I've missed some people's DPS, since I don't think the damage added up vs. Gruul is how much hp Gruul has), but this should be a relatively accurate picutre of where we stand on DPS:

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...hg&m&s=509,918

Tomatospuds and Romules both died on the first Shatter (don't ask me why). Skeletoress also died early on. Definitely not top performance from us but mostly I posted this to see if there are any glaring flaws in my logging that I need to fix before doing this more in the future.

Most parses seem to show ~3.4M damage done, so it's possible that you've missed a bit of attacks. Do you have your combat log range extended to 200 yards?

Ie. this one

It's also possible to merge logs from multiple players.

Awesome thread, just reading through the previous responses has taught me a number of things to look out for regarding other classes, when processing my first report last night.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=l5aiof3rtfjuc - a Nightbane kill.. a twelve.. minute.. Nightbane.. kill..

See! The hunter with 22 aimed shots and no steadies. Fear! The shadow priest with 20% SW:P uptime. Marvel! At the warlock who manages to get cleaved to death while dps'ing.

But beyond that.. it's showing me (15/41/5 combat daggers with Malchazeen/Retainer's Blade/half epics/half blues) top of the charts with 565 dps. Taking just my damage on Nightbane and leaving out the three air phases, I calculated something like 511 dps. This doesn't seem that great. Anyone got any advice for me?

Our 2nd Magtheridon kill http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=8559,9228&m I was a clicker again. Feedback and comments welcome.

Our todays Gruul Kill, not a really pretty one to add

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...bwat1&s=-1,393

(yes I know, there are Mag tries and the mag kill, nr4, included, but whatever).


Me of course Marieth, Sword combat (see armory, NB shoulders not wearing on gruul, just got em that Maulgar kill).
Gámbit (shadowstep, I know I know)
Justine (cDagger I think, just recently switched main from a druid, not yet fully into the rogue raiding play-style)

Both claimed after the fight, that positioning (finding the back) is really difficult with constant cave-ins, turnings and so on.

Tjerk (Fury) our aggro machine, there is hardly a boss he outlives. On Hydross later the night, at the 20% mark he called out "I'm going all out, just let me die." He died at arround 14% .

Mages all Fire, Dejan (Doomkin), Norn (Feral).

My group setup was me, warrior, enhScham, the other 2 rogues. buffs other then the usual stuff was MajorAgi+40AP Food.

I am pretty much stacking haste effects at the moment, because it is amazing to see a 2.7 MH go down to 1.15 without Heroism or Drums. And it helps combat potency too. My hit could probably be a bit higher (now at 18% inkl. talent), well I'll see.

If you got something to comment, shot ahead, it'll be appreciated (sp?).

PS: Please ignore grammer and typos, english isn't my primary language.

PPS: If you look at the Magi kill, just some remarks. Me was clicker (cube closest to Mag), Justine was clicker furtherst cube (also died at 50% due to a quake+cleave), Gambit wasn't klicking.