• constantius

There's a school of thought (and I can't find the post now) that theorized that spell penetration affects *partial* resists. Someone did a test on partial shadow resists and found that spell penetration directly affected it. In that case, it may be worth trying as a cloak enchant ... and if you use the same cloak in PvP, bonus.

If anyone can find that thread, let me know and I'll edit my post accordingly.

 

deanx

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our latest gorefiend kill, what I think of when I think of patchwerk-esque stand still and dps race

 

Vessyra

Your locks could definitely use a kick in the ass. Scythius doesn't have half of his gear enchanted, and is focusing way too much on crit instead of straight spell damage. Not to mention he's only dpsing on average about 75% of the time which is unacceptable for a lock. Hppnohulk is severely lacking in +Spell Hit.

Both Deadend and Hpnohulk are well below where they should be considering their gear/spec. They need to focus more on using Shadowbolt. Deadend is all over the map with his curses and casts.

Your mages are in desperate need of some help.
Azshandre just isn't casting enough period, and is casting Frostbolt, as a Fire Mage. Someone slap him.
Jalnaar needs to respecc to deep fire and forget about Arcane Blast and Arcane Missiles.
Katian is your only mage who knows what she's doing. Send the other mages to her.
Modoras needs to respecc to fire. Frost DPS is sub par although he's pretty undergeared anyways. Needs to get more spell hit and spell damage. At a minimum, if he has someone make the spellstrike set for him, it'll be a bit boost.
Syltus isn't scorching it all, but it looks like Katian and Wizz were, so he probably doesn't need to to keep the debuff up. But he should still be using Scorch and Fireblast before Ground Slams when there's not enough time for a fireball.
Wizz - He's casting 1 scorch for every 1 fireball, which is WAY too much. To keep the debuff up, you should be able to cast 5 fireballs minimum, plus you've got Katian scorching too. He also needs to finish his Spellfire and Spellstrike pieces as a tailor and needs to focus less on crit and get some better enchants.

I also highly remember you make all your mages get Quartz casting bar and create /stopcasting macros to improve their casting times.

 

Strategia

We've killed Morogrim once before and currently we're having problems getting him down the second time.

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Should be the fight where we were doing well. We wiped because I got graved and we had no back up plan - I spec prot for the fight and we AOE the murlocs on top of Morogrim.

Three things in particular I hope someone can look at (because frankly I'm not sure what else I can come up with):

Vapo's damage - I think it's largely related to +hit, but Cleave? Is his dmg low to anyone else?
Healers in general - One thing I've never seen much discussion into is HPS.
Tank - his threat was about 350 TPS on average throughout the fight and many melee classes were reporting being threat capped. Tank didn't report rage starvation.

 

Jebraltar

Change to outranging the graves. Makes it take longer, but it's much easier and much more consistent.

Assuming the tank was Clefthoof, not enough Shield Slam or Revenge. Too much Devastate.

Vapo's damage is extremely low. No Whirlwind?

Healers look mostly fine to me.

 

• DeeNogger

Out ranging the grave can cause a lot of problems, and will really slow down the kill. Id suggest having your extra prot warrior(s) stay in tanking gear, their dps is probably really poor as is, and if you get a bad grave you should have 1-2 challenging shouts ready.

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Iro

After progressing really well these last few weeks I have had a few more people contact me requesting help on their perfomance. Unfortunately they are of either spec or class that I do not know a lot about. The main people I would like help on are our Destruction Warlock (Lucrethus) and our Enhancement Shaman (Mariomario).

I personally feel Mario has improved a lot but he feels he can do a lot more but is unsure how. Unfortunately he performs well on Karathress but a lack of Shamans made him our Grounding Totem bitch.

Lucrethus is mainly concerned that his DPS is really high but he always ends up low on raw damage done. He assures me he is using the relative mods (Quartz and such) so I am at a loss to anything he could improve upon.

If there are any other players people feel they can assist then that is more than welcome too. Thanks again guys.

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Breganth

umm. Wow. You should take Lucrethus out to the woodshed and hit him with a large stick. Repeatedly. I'm imagining his UI as being a wide open screen with one huge shadowbolt button right in the middle of it. He does know that it's ok to use his dots, right? I can understand a hesitance to use dots on Leotheras, but on Lurker, there is absolutely no chance he will pull agro, so why not go balls deep and use every offensive ability available to him?

Plain and simple, his dps uptime sucks. He's at 72% dps uptime on Lurker where the other two locks are at 86%, and they're all at 100% presence. Completely unacceptable.

 

Illundai

Uhm, he's Destruction? The only dot worth casting would be immolate, imo.

 

Breganth

Any dot, as long as it's ticking for something, is better than no dots at all. Check out the WWS. The guy casted nothing but Shadowbolt. Seriously, nothing at all.

 

• Anarkii

No, it's not. This thread could do without blatantly incorrect advice - please visit the class mechanics forum for further information.

 

Malan

I don't see any issue with your enhance shaman. His damage ratios are where they need to be, he's placed on the meters approximately where I would expect to be on those fights for the most part, and his talents are ok. He's shorted himself a little bit of extra AP by socketing 16AP gems instead of 8 Strength (17.6 AP with Kings), but at least he's not rocking stam/hit gems. His armory shows him logged out with a flask on so he's using consumables, I'd say he's doing ok. I'm not a big fan of the Romulo trinket for shaman though, my only advice would be to replace that with a bloodlust brooch. He'll probably whine about the hit rating loss, but I'd bet his DPS would actually go up.

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SSJones

Lucrethus:

Two things stick out a bit on the WWS to me as small things that might be improved. First, his DPS time is pretty low. As 0/21/40 there is little reason I can think of for DPS time to be that much lower than mages on an equivalent nuke fight like Lurker, or Karathress.

Maybe he's having problems quickly switching targets, as both those fights have that as an element to DPS time. Is he clicking nameplates? Assisting? Tab Targetting? Macros? Is he losing too much spelltime on a target about to die, when he could be switching targets?

The next paragraph may or may not be valid, his armory doesn't appear to be his raiding gear, as he is not wearing Lightning Capacitor in armory.

His average shadowbolt hit/crit is a bit lower than I would expect to see. It should be higher than the Aff locks. I wonder if he hasn't over-sacrificed +spell damage to obtain crit. Remember that with all the multipliers on shadow damage in a raid setting, that the base damage of a shadowbolt is getting multipled by ~43% (base * 1.43) after Malediction, misery, shadow weaving, and shadow vulnerability. (1.13 * 1.05 * 1.10 * 1.20) Losing a few crit % to pick up another 100-150 spell damage might result in a net DPS gain for him, with an average shadowbolt closer to 3K, and crits in the 7-8K range.

If he can lose 5% crit but push his avg Bolt up to 3K, it will be a net gain, as he loses 5% damage on the crit, but gains ~20% on the damage end? I don't suspect the loss of crit would effectively hurt his damage through lightning capacitor either, as it is only making up ~2% of his damage currently.

 

Masaren

Ok, for Errtuu, he really needs to regem all of his gear, literally, all of it. Shadow priest do not get nearly the same benefit from +crit and +spell damage. He needs to put Runed Living Rubies in every single gem slot he has, every single one. He needs to put 6 mana per 5 on his chest. It looks like hes pretty close to getting a S2 mace, but if not, put Soulfrost on that Mindblade.

What boggles me is he has put a lot of emphasis on spell crit with gems, but still has 0/5 Imp Mind Blast. Imp Psychic Scream and Silence arent helping him in boss fights at all, really, they arent. Put those extra points into Mind Blast, and drop a point out of Shadow Weaving to put a fourth there.

His dot uptime on SWP seems ok, but hes a bit lacking on VT uptime needs to be worked on. There were 69 seconds of that last fight he went without having SWP on him, which isnt great, he got graved three times so im accounting some of this to that. But there were 132 seconds without VT up, which is entirely not optimal as a shadow priest. Thats over 1/3 of the fight.

 

kaib

In a WoW parallel universe with 200+ debuff slots, that statement would be correct. As it is, it's totally off. The usual cycle for him would be immolate + shadow bolt. Using conflag is a definite loss of dps.
Given that Lucrethus has almost as much fire dmg as shadow dmg (1000 vs 1050), he should be using immolate. That debuff slot is usually avaible. If you raid with a lot of affliction warlocks and spriests, just sbolt it is. It seems that raid had 3 shadow priests, so there is definitely a valid point to skip immolate.

In general with his gear level, he should be affliction. Shadow Bolt spam spec relies on very good gear as you need spelldmg, hit and crit. Having all three stats means you need high itemlvl stuff. Affliction only really wants high spelldmg and the crafted epics make it easy to stack that. So if he got around to making him the sahdoweave set and spec affliction, he would do more dmg himself.

However that raid has a decent amount of spriests and warlocks and a high crit shadowbolt spam spec that keeps the imp shadow bolt debuff up as much as possible increases spriest adn affliction dps by a LOT.
I'd say the guy actually konws very well what he is doing, just needs to work on his dps uptime.

 

Morwen

On the subject of Lucrethus, I'd concur that it is completely fine to casting nothing but shadow bolt with a destruction spec. Even immolate is a pretty marginal increase in personal dps and takes away from ISB uptime, especially as his crit rate is fairly high. With a shadow priest in his group he can increase his dps uptime on Lurker slightly by shooting from the water more, as VE will pretty much negate Scalding damage.

The low dps time on Karathress is more of a concern. One thing is to use more mana pots (less lifetap downtime), and another is to get down a solid casting sequence for spitfire totems (he's barely hitting the totems). As soon as the totem pops, target it with a macro, finish casting the bolt you're in the middle of, then bolt+shadowburn the totem (or bolt+searing pain if starved for shards) and then go back to the boss or add as the totem should be dead before you can expect to hit it with a third spell. There should be zero time lost to target selection, cancelling casts, or trying to cast at a dead target.

 

Meltface

I don't recall the thread, but the theory is correct. Spell penetration will reduce partial resists.

*** BUT ***

CoS negates any remaining shadow resist for raid bosses. They still have a base 27-ish spell resist that cannot be mitigated by penetration or CoS. You will always see some ammount of partial resists.

That's why penetration is useless in TBC raiding.

 

dogy

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I put a parse up a while back and got a lot of good feedback. Mainly concerned with the shadow priests, mages, and hunters. There is all of SSC except vashj so should get a good representation of various fights.

 

LenniZ

Our most recent gruul kill.

Any advice? I don't think I can improve my own dps with the gear I have at the moment, but the others certainly can. We always meet enrage timer when we try Void Reaver (which we killed once a few secs left to enrage, don't have a report of that, but I can get one next try) so I guess a WWS of a Gruul kill can help people improve their dps.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall mostly when I introduce them to things they have never heard about before, I just get ignored and many just think I talk bullshit. :/

Tried to get people to improve their dps but it seems like the only one who picked up on it was the mage "roadkill", which has improved significantly the last week. Asking about "shot rotations" to a hunter is like asking if theres people on mars for them.

The hunter "putte" thinks steady shots is a waste of mana and thus she does lower dps than a hunter we just recruited, with worse gear even.

 

Strategia

As a whole it seems the raid group has a really low prescence. If I interpret that correctly you only have one person who lasted the entire encounter.

It seems that your hunter Snawkrika may be clipping too many autoshots. S/he has 50 Steady Shots and 37 Autoshots and, from what I understand, a good rotation has them close to a 1:1 ratio.

Buban and Trestal also seem to be missing a lot of their Shadowbolts, around 20%, which strikes me as really high.

 

Anaxo

Was Frostt AFK for part of the Gruul fight? He has no deaths, but his presence time is 60% and he has almost half the number of fireball casts Roadkill does. According to his armory he needs more spell hit, but the Gruul log says only 2.8% of his fireballs were resisted, so I'm guess he logged out in PVP gear. I would also suggest using a different trinket than Lightning Capacitor; TLC is only so-so for fire mages and much better for arcane.

Garmish needs to scorch less, he has almost a 2:1 fireball to scorch ratio. With three fire mages in the raid, improved scorch shouldn't be falling off that much. My suspicion is that Garmish is the mage stuck with improved scorch debuff duty; if so the other 2 mages should really be helping him restack the debuff after a ground slam instead of severely gimping him for the benefit of everyone else.

As far as I can tell, Roadkill looks pretty good.

 

panny

Mario is doing decently for his gear, but having to be the Grounding Totem bitch shouldn't affect his DPS negatively. I do pretty well on FLK (better than on almost all the other SSC bosses we have down) and I do grounding for our Tidalvess tank: Loading...

But our tank strat differs from yours in that we have a Feral Druid tank Tidalvess (pretty much made for a Druid tank anyway). After Tidalvess dies, the DPS Warrior in my group switches from Commanding to Battle. You use a Prot Warrior (Warhammer) instead but he can still switch to Battle. Even if he tanks the Hunter pet afterwards, Commanding Shout isn't needed. This is assuming you kill Tidalvess first of course.

Also, you have Greater Fire Elemental marked as a mob, when it should be a pet, and Spitfire Totem marked as a pet instead of a mob.

Edit: Oh, and let him know the T5 shoulders are horrible and [Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless] from Chess event in Kara are better. He should also go for STR over AP when the cost for both are the same (like his enchants and gems). Romulo's is a decent trinket, but a Bloodlust Brooch would probably be better.

 

◊ Turik

As much as I dislike the whole "omg analyze my wws"... here it is:** Wow Web Stats.


One of the things I'm worried about is not having enough DPS for Void Reaver, or Hydross, or basically anything with an enrage timer. Feel free to check gear. Our tanks are excellent, and our healers are very good, but our DPS just sucks. It doesn't help that one of our best healers is top DPS on his mage, but his healer is a resto shaman and chain heal is just so OP.


**To clarify, it irks me because I feel like I don't really have a lot to offer since most people here are more advanced than me, and all I can do is ask for assistance. I spend all day assisting other people, so I guess it is nice asking for help sometimes.

 

UnholY_Prince

We've been on Vashj P2 for about 3 weeks now, a lot of our failures have come from outside factors such as guild attrition and reteaching the fight to new members and recruits. Last night we were so close to a clean P3 we could taste it, execution on everything was nearly perfect, but small mistakes such as a leaked Elemental or a DPS death caused the chain reactions which built up problems by the time the 4th generator could go down. So advice that could possibly be given would be a help.

I know Vashj is a hard fight to analyze, our current strategy uses mostly Melees on the outside steps, broken into 5 sectors. On this WWS it was our Feral Druids and Rogues, and near the end one of our BM Hunters(Empeekay) on Elemental duty. One Mage(Hotblooded) was responsible for moving to areas of Tainted to help clean up Elementals that got through. All other ranged DPS switched from focus firing Naga to Striders back and forth.

Heals were a healer in each Cardinal Direction(Summonlight, Kens, Arteria, and Raincaller) and 3 healers in the middle for the raid(Ceneroth, Zephonator, Nattyice).

Anything anyone sees which could help would be greatly appreciated.

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◊ Turik

First thing first, your DPS is a head above your gear and your guild. Kudos.

Secondly: you do have a LOT of miss. I might personally suggest socketing for a little bit more hit, although you are damn near close. Of course, you are pretty much as hit socketed as you can be.

As well, is it just me or is the SS Miss of 8% a little high? I assume that is just shit luck? Even so, you do have a fairly high damage % from SS, even with the misses.