Your hunter, Putte..cast 106 auto shots and 21 arcane shots...and nothing else. This means that for most of the fight, he was sitting there auto shotting. He is literally standing there pressing no buttons in between his arcane shot cooldown. I see he is specced BM, he would be best served by getting a steady shot/kill command macro and just spamming it.
Mario is doing decently for his gear, but having to be the Grounding Totem bitch shouldn't affect his DPS negatively. I do pretty well on FLK (better than on almost all the other SSC bosses we have down) and I do grounding for our Tidalvess tank: Loading...
But our tank strat differs from yours in that we have a Feral Druid tank Tidalvess (pretty much made for a Druid tank anyway). After Tidalvess dies, the DPS Warrior in my group switches from Commanding to Battle. You use a Prot Warrior (Warhammer) instead but he can still switch to Battle. Even if he tanks the Hunter pet afterwards, Commanding Shout isn't needed. This is assuming you kill Tidalvess first of course.
Also, you have Greater Fire Elemental marked as a mob, when it should be a pet, and Spitfire Totem marked as a pet instead of a mob.
Edit: Oh, and let him know the T5 shoulders are horrible and [Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless] from Chess event in Kara are better. He should also go for STR over AP when the cost for both are the same (like his enchants and gems). Romulo's is a decent trinket, but a Bloodlust Brooch would probably be better.
Yes our geared Feral druid was MIA for this run so we had to move tanking assignments around. I will pass this information on to Mario. I think he performs really well but just compares himself far too much to people several Tiers above him. Thanks for the input again.
After progressing really well these last few weeks I have had a few more people contact me requesting help on their perfomance. Unfortunately they are of either spec or class that I do not know a lot about. The main people I would like help on are our Destruction Warlock (Lucrethus) and our Enhancement Shaman (Mariomario).
I personally feel Mario has improved a lot but he feels he can do a lot more but is unsure how. Unfortunately he performs well on Karathress but a lack of Shamans made him our Grounding Totem bitch.
Lucrethus is mainly concerned that his DPS is really high but he always ends up low on raw damage done. He assures me he is using the relative mods (Quartz and such) so I am at a loss to anything he could improve upon.
If there are any other players people feel they can assist then that is more than welcome too. Thanks again guys.
Unless I'm missing something, I can't find a CoS or CoE on Lurker or Leotheras, an attempt at a CoS on Hydross that missed, and CoS on only two of the mobs in the Karathress fight. Your raid seems pretty caster-heavy - 3 warlocks, 2/3 spriests, 3 mages, so I'd strongly suggest talking to your locks about their utility curses.
First thing first, your DPS is a head above your gear and your guild. Kudos.
Secondly: you do have a LOT of miss. I might personally suggest socketing for a little bit more hit, although you are damn near close. Of course, you are pretty much as hit socketed as you can be.
As well, is it just me or is the SS Miss of 8% a little high? I assume that is just shit luck? Even so, you do have a fairly high damage % from SS, even with the misses.
If I'm not wrong I think all dodge/parry counts as a miss in WWS, I certainly never miss a sinister strike.
This is one of my first posts here, so sorry if I am posting the wrong report, etc. This is our 2nd Void Reaver kill as a guild. I was wondering if I could get a few comments on the performance of everyone in general. Anything to improve the performance of the raid is a good thing
Unless I'm missing something, I can't find a CoS or CoE on Lurker or Leotheras, an attempt at a CoS on Hydross that missed, and CoS on only two of the mobs in the Karathress fight. Your raid seems pretty caster-heavy - 3 warlocks, 2/3 spriests, 3 mages, so I'd strongly suggest talking to your locks about their utility curses.
As I said earlier in the thread, WWS doesn't like to pick up CoS/CoE. You can, however, look at the warlocks: 2 of them aren't using a damage curse, so it stands to reason thta they're putting up cos/coe. Logic saves lives!
This is one of my first posts here, so sorry if I am posting the wrong report, etc. This is our 2nd Void Reaver kill as a guild. I was wondering if I could get a few comments on the performance of everyone in general. Anything to improve the performance of the raid is a good thing
What was your spriest doing? Just 383dps, while he has +1000 shadow damage? He also went out of shadowform and renewd and used healing pots. I guess he didn't dodge the arcane bolts and wasn't expecting any heals?
I'd suggest paying more attention to bolts, stop using VE and start using MB every cooldown. You can get off a quick MB every now and then while dodging. The manapots in TK are virtually free, so don't worry about efficiency at all. If you do it right as a spriest, you'll most likely be surfing the aggro-border at the last 20-30% of VR's health.
Your whole raid-dps could need a big dps boost, don't let people hold back at the first few minutes, as those should be used to blast to the max. Later on, knockbacks will make it harder to go fullout on aggro.
EDIT: also, Wicca needs to stop using Fade in these fights, it doesn't do anything but eat GCD's. Have him loose the talent Silent Resolve and put it into improved Mind Blast. The he can cast that one every cooldown as he has the gear for it.
I am posting out last kill of Magtheridon for some review. We are 3/6 SSC, but since this fight has been on farm, I feel it is a fair place to judge people rather than a fight they are just learning.
I put a parse up a while back and got a lot of good feedback. Mainly concerned with the shadow priests, mages, and hunters. There is all of SSC except vashj so should get a good representation of various fights.
This is the raid of my guild yesterday - same bosses, comparable Raid-DPS. Perhaps you can draw some information out of direct comparsion of your raiders and ours. I will try and look into both our reports later this evening.
Any further comments about this WWS are - of course - highly appreciated : our overall DPS is getting better each week, but I feel there is still room for improvement.
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I'll add mine, since this makes for interesting comparison - all of SSC except Leo, we had a bunch of wipes on Kara because the hunter fucked up the pull 2 times.
This is one of my first posts here, so sorry if I am posting the wrong report, etc. This is our 2nd Void Reaver kill as a guild. I was wondering if I could get a few comments on the performance of everyone in general. Anything to improve the performance of the raid is a good thing
Wicca
I looked at Wicca's armory and i almost laughed, then i thought maybe she was wearing the set for looks, but its fully enchanted, then I thought, maybe she isnt a tailor, but then I checked and shes 375 tailoring. Tell her to make or equip the Frozen Shadoweave set now, as well as Spellstrike. Really, the only reason I can tell for her not doing so already is being lazy and not wanting to farm mats for them. Tier 4 is not a set for shadow priests. It is a clear downgrade to Frozen Shadoweave and Spellstrike. She has 4piece t4 and doesnt have Orb of the Soul Eater or Icon of the Silver Crescent. These are both endgame items and she needs to pick these up.
Is she overvaluing spirit in her gear choices, going for gear that specifically has spirit on it? If so, tell her to stop now, as a shadow priest, she needs to focus on +spell damage and enough spell hit to be capped at +6% to hit with gear, and nothing else. She will benefit much more in terms of personal mana regen if she does more damage inside of VT.
To me, it just looking at her armory, it just seems like shes content to raid and get whatever she can raiding, and not put any real effort into improving her character. Maybe I'm wrong and completely off-base, but thats what i see from looking at her armory. That just doesnt work as a shadow priest. Looking at the full report, she used two mana potions during your whole raid. This is something else that tells me she just isnt trying and doesnt want to put forth the effort. I know from my own personal experience, if im not using super mana potions on cooldown, Im doing something wrong.
Talent and spell wise, she has 5/5 shadow power, but during Void Reaver, she didnt cast a single Mind Blast or a single SWD? Thats 5 wasted talent points, she should be at least taking advantage of. But also looking at her VR fight, she cast upwards of at least 34 Mind Flays? Void Reaver is a mobile fight, and for a lot of the fight, youre playing dodge ball with arcane orbs, so Mind Blast is the preferred spell here. Its a 1.5 second cast over a 3 second cast for around the same damage, as well as having a 36 yard range over a 24 yard range. Im not saying to cast no Mind Flays, but to cast not a single Mind Blast and so many flays is putting yourself in danger more.
The fight lasted 9 minutes and 48 seconds, but for Wicca, VR only had 6 minutes of SWP and 5 minutes 6 seconds of VT. She really needs to work on dot uptime and keep the dots up for much much more of the figtht. Dont wait for VT to go down to cast it again, cast it 1.5 seconds plus lag before it ends. Get her to make an Inner Focus/Devouring Plague macro and use this on cooldown. It needs to be cast every single time the cooldown allows as an undead.
Moritur
Moritur seems to get it more, his spell rotation isnt bad, and his talents are good. Get both Orb of the Soul Eater and Icon of the Silver Crescent. Put Soulfrost on the Mindblade, put 6 mana per 5 on your chest, and put 15 spell damage to bracers. Try and grab Girldle of Ruination its going to net you a good bit more spell damage.
Have him work on his dot uptime a bit more, VT seems to be a good bit behind SWP. If his lag is 500 ms, cast VT two seconds before the last dot ticks, etc. Dont wait on the spell to finish itself before recasting. Practice a bit on Dr. Boom to get it right. Also, he really needs to make himself an Inner Focus/Devouring Plague macro as an undead shadow priest. Keep it on cooldown, itll be a free 4k damage every 3 minutes.
I put a parse up a while back and got a lot of good feedback. Mainly concerned with the shadow priests, mages, and hunters. There is all of SSC except vashj so should get a good representation of various fights.
Originally Posted by Fässchen
This is the raid of my guild yesterday - same bosses, comparable Raid-DPS. Perhaps you can draw some information out of direct comparsion of your raiders and ours. I will try and look into both our reports later this evening.
Any further comments about this WWS are - of course - highly appreciated : our overall DPS is getting better each week, but I feel there is still room for improvement.
Originally Posted by Mearis
I'll add mine, since this makes for interesting comparison - all of SSC except Leo, we had a bunch of wipes on Kara because the hunter fucked up the pull 2 times.
dogy & Mearis, I looked into your hunters for Tidewalker and Karathress (nice damage fights for Hunters).
@dogy :
Blaksteel and Leotigre are doing fine regarding shot rotation - there is room to improve but not so much (my own rotation tends to be fucked up a little too, especially since i got dragonspine talisman which messes with hunter timing in a big way).
Blaksteels Equip :
He has +8 crit gems in nearly every slot - these should be +8 Agi in most cases
Blaksteels Talents :
I would recommend skilling 41/20/0 for him (in the moment 41/17/3) - these 3 Points missing in Mortal Shots are several % of Damage lost
Leotigres Equip :
Again, the +Crit gems should be +Agi instead
Leotigres Talents :
Should be ok
@Mearis :
As you probably know Vion has a lot to improve regarding his DPS.
He is MM skilled which is suboptimal at his level of gear. As the only Hunter in your raid he should probably spec Survival to boost your Meelee DPS with Expose Weakness. Alternatively a BM build should result in a boost of his personal DPS, if he prefers this.
His shot rotation is bad - underuse of steady shot is his worse offence. He should do a little theorycraft about a good rotation for an MM/Survivalspec (The good rotations should be nearly identical for these two talent trees), then do a little trial and error at a target dummy like Dr. Boom in Netherstorm. You can compare his stats to our hunter Sheol who is survival specced and does nice DPS for his Talent build.
He has to teach his Pet "Avoidance" - it will take a quarter of the damage in every AOE Situation (for example at Karathress - his Pet took far more Damage in 4 Minutes than mine in 7 or 8). This will free a lot from both his mana and his time.
I did not look into his Equipment or Talent Tree.
I won't comment on our own hunters but feel free to comment on them or any other of my raid members who you think can improve.
(I am sorry about my bad english, it has gotten a little bit "rusty" since school)
Our 3rd VR Kill, had a few new people so it was a little sloppy. Wow Web Stats
In particular I'm trying to find out why my DPS was so low, I consider myself a pretty good rogue and on our 2nd kill I was at 1006 dps before I died from an orb halfway into the fight. The only thing that was different is I had battleshout and LOTP on the 2nd kill and only had battleshout on this attempt.
Any advice would be great. Also our locks, and DPS warrior was a little lower than I would hope, suggestions for them would be greatly appreciated.
Note: We only use 2 tanks for our VR strategy, the warrior was threat capped, I was never threat capped though.
This is our most recent Fathom Lord kill, we are currently 5/6 SSC and have been for 2 weeks now, but are having a lot of trouble on Vashj. I am certain we have the coordination aspect down but we just don't seem to have the DPS to take down all the elementals and the center before she pops into phase 3. We normally get her to phase 3 with 2 Naga adds up and a near dead strider. If someone would be so kind as to check and see if there are anyways we could improve our DPS it would be greatly appreciated.
Our 3rd VR Kill, had a few new people so it was a little sloppy. Wow Web Stats
Any advice would be great. Also our locks, and DPS warrior was a little lower than I would hope, suggestions for them would be greatly appreciated.
Sprunt - She could really use with upping her spellhit, if I'm reading WWS right she had a 21% resist rate on Immolate and 10.2% on Shadow Bolt, which is quite a hit to DPS. UA uptime was good, while Corruption and Immolate could do with being kept refreshed. 4 orbs isn't disastrous and could account for the slightly dipped DoT uptime. Absolutely needs to get rid of those trinkets - Silver Crescent and Scryer's Bloodgem, or even Glowing Crystal Insignia. Why on earth she uses the Lightning Capacitor as an affliction lock is beyond me. Band of the Guardian is awful ring when Ashyen's Signet for one example is so easy to get, plus getting those last tailoring points for Frozen Shadoweave Robe would help, as would using the rest of the FS set gemmed properly. Glove, head and shoulder enchants would also help... a lot of work on gear to be done.
Miaku - Only cast ~70 Shadow Bolts, which accounts for about 3 minutes of DPS time. Not really enough for an 8 minute fight, at all. Also, his gear is rather lacking for Destruction, especially as he's not your usual DS/S&F - again, finish tailoring and get the Frozen Shadoweave Robe which is awesome, or perhaps a Robe of the Crimson Order for the hit. Still think he'd be lacking stats for it really though, and would benefit hugely from speccing Affliction until he can bridge the gap.
Our 3rd VR Kill, had a few new people so it was a little sloppy.
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In particular I'm trying to find out why my DPS was so low, I consider myself a pretty good rogue and on our 2nd kill I was at 1006 dps before I died from an orb halfway into the fight. The only thing that was different is I had battleshout and LOTP on the 2nd kill and only had battleshout on this attempt.
First and foremost is that you are a spec based around backstab...get imp backstab!
You should not have to use SS for VR...ever. Keep using backstab as VR is not hard to position on.
Kicked used 7 times. It won't interupt the pummel if that is what you are doing.
178 hit rating is a bit low. Looking at your gear, you are using some greens. Go run some instances to replace those with blues (at least) until you get some epic drops.
You're keeping up on using BF/AR/CloS which is important. Good job there =)
Hows your rotation? Do you use 3s/5s/5e? You have less S&D drops than the other rogues, so it seems you are keeping it up fairly well.
Mainly get more hit rating if you can. You missed over 80 melee swings while all the other rogues missed 5 or less.
This is the raid of my guild yesterday - same bosses, comparable Raid-DPS. Perhaps you can draw some information out of direct comparsion of your raiders and ours. I will try and look into both our reports later this evening.
Any further comments about this WWS are - of course - highly appreciated : our overall DPS is getting better each week, but I feel there is still room for improvement.
I thought I would share our parse from last night, we are roughly at the some point in progression and I find it interesting comparing numbers from guilds in comparable positions.
Well Thanks for the critique but I'm pretty sure you weren't looking at the right rogue.
The Armory
is my profile and I have 290 hit for boss fights. I run a 1s/5r(evisc) cycle, I used drums of battle, haste potions and adamantite sharpening stones.
edit: Ah I see you were talking about Kathas, yes thanks I'll pass that along to him.
As much as I dislike the whole "omg analyze my wws"... here it is:** Wow Web Stats.
I'll do basic execution critique.
Your warlocks are using conflag. At first I thought they were just for adds, but no, it's also on Lurker. Make them stop. Alternatively, for the destro warlocks, try asking them to do nothing but shadowbolt spam and see if their DPS goes up. Your two top warlocks have good potential.
Also, a lot of your warlocks are using CoA on Lurker. I see a curse of shadows, but no curse of elements. Assuming the debuff/buff tracker is correct (Which sometimes it isn't, to be honest), you may want to ask one of your warlocks to throw CoE up. I suspect they might be using CoA given that lurker dives, but I still think it's possible to use CoD, which they should instead of CoA.
Deathravege's values are really low -- is his raid gear bad? His spec is really weird now that I armory him (I generally am not armory'ing your raiders btw, takes too much time for me, hehe). He needs a solid warlock intervention, send him to the warlock theorycraft threads. Seems like a pvp'er trying to raid to me. Eatatwendyz' gear appears awful too, going off the WWS numbers.
Your shadow priests appear to be poorly geared too. Coheed never used his shadow fiend. They don't appear to be chain chugging mana pots either. Your one SP only used one in fact. The one only used SW twice, he should be using it more often.
Two of your hunters appear MM and are using aim shot. Ouch. He doesn't have a pet attributed to him either. Does he not use one, or was the WWS upload botched? Your BM hunters need to use kill command more. All the hunter shot rotations are weird too. Are your hunters just mashing buttons? Refer them to the hunter shot illustration thread, they need some serious intervention.
One of your mages is frost. I'd say respec, but if your frost mages are like my friends, they're frost because they want to be frost. Unfortunate, I know. Confirm that he's using stopcasting, his cast count looks a little low, but lurker is a tough fight to gauge this on. His DPS would've been better if your warlocks had thrown up curse of elements. He has an awful lot of ice block moments too, is he ice blocking through spout instead of dps'ing through it from the water?
Amagin has a really low cast count. Confirm that he's using stopcasting. He would've done better with curse of elements, but it looks like he was having problems with the scorch stack anyway. He would be better off if your frost mage was also fire; mages tend to do better if they all unify around a single spec, be it frost, fire, or arcane.
All of your range DPS is low, are they all stopping what they're doing during spouts or something? They only have to move off into the water and they can continue dps'ing from there.
Your rogues are using anesthetic poison. Ouch - use deadly if they have no windfury totem. But nevertheless, get windfury in their groups ASAP.
In general, it looks like your raid is pretty undergeared. How many growths do you guys get to on Gruul? If you can get a Gruul WWS, please post that, as there are some elements of DPS that is hard to analyze on Lurker because of the stupid dive phases (I can't for the life of me calculate proper DoT uptime and stuff).
Also, I don't envy your position. You have a lot of problems to fix.
This is a bit off topic, but I'm puzzled. I've just been browsing through this thread a bit, and something I've noticed that some rogues (with good dps) are using few SnDs (like 1 per minute) on fights like Terron. I can't argue with success so I was wondering if somebody could enlighten me why this is?
This is a bit off topic, but I'm puzzled. I've just been browsing through this thread a bit, and something I've noticed that some rogues (with good dps) are using few SnDs (like 1 per minute) on fights like Terron. I can't argue with success so I was wondering if somebody could enlighten me why this is?
WWS doesn't record buffs sometimes if they get refreshed before they expire. Most likely this is the case for SnD.