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Old 05/30/07, 9:32 AM   #151
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Originally Posted by Furio View Post
This is the report from a Morogrim kill on 5/29. It was our fourth kill.
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=5s5hkewnzd5vs&m

I'd greatly appreciate if some expert mages (or experts on mages) could examine the data and comment on Roci (16th place in damage). While he is a little behind on gear and did not have a Shadow Priest or Shaman (unlike the other two mages), I still can't figure out why his output was so low. He's usually a great deal better, but on this encounter he's been consistenetly underperforming.
Pretty easy here: He was only dpsing 69% of the time, compared to 89% and 78%. His average fireball was only hitting for 2,096 (extremely low considering a raid setting) at a 15% crit rate (i assume a lot of bad luck), while your top mage had extremely good luck with a fireball crit rate of 50%.

Assuming his armory link is correct, then he needs to work on getting his gear enchanted to start off with, and having him go more for +spell damage on / int on enchants and gems will help more then +stamina.

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Old 05/30/07, 9:57 AM   #152
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Originally Posted by Furio View Post
I'd greatly appreciate if some expert mages (or experts on mages) could examine the data and comment on Roci (16th place in damage). While he is a little behind on gear and did not have a Shadow Priest or Shaman (unlike the other two mages), I still can't figure out why his output was so low. He's usually a great deal better, but on this encounter he's been consistenetly underperforming.
15%-ish miss rate = low +hit gear (ie: none whatsoever)
low crit rate
very low fireball damage
low presence%

I will go on a limb and assume he had half his gear broken.

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Old 05/30/07, 9:59 AM   #153
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
Morogrim:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=n4f2yxrtxtgpo

Karathress:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=xvkdxfrlkq5ds

Fairly clean kills, with some elixir use throughout the raid. I haven't looked at these closely yet myself, but at a glance, the "what the hell, why does Khazal use Fiery Weapon and wear blues" contingent may have something more to chew on, and Osse might almost give Gonk a nod of approval for Karathress.
I suppose I'm at a loss to explain his damage output, myself... is there a particular reason he uses Fiery Weapon beyond not having the cash for Mongoose? (or is there a discussion on this in some other thread?)

What was his group in this kill?

I guess a 6minute kill favors the cooldowns of a Combat spec, and he didn't get any watery graves, but that's still impressive DPS that I'd be interested to break down.

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Old 05/30/07, 10:12 AM   #154
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Originally Posted by manly View Post
15%-ish miss rate = low +hit gear (ie: none whatsoever)
low crit rate
very low fireball damage
low presence%

I will go on a limb and assume he had half his gear broken.
Crit rate is significantly lower then other mages, probably in part of group composition. Your top DPS mage was using Molten Armor, it's likely this one was wearing mage armor. Might have something to do with the 19k mana from the shadow priest.

Poor hit rating is very noticiable.

Spent time to bandage approx 5 times, other mages bandaged once between the 2 of them.
This has to be part of his low prescence. Also used his wand?

Did I see empty sockets when I looked at the armory?

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Old 05/30/07, 10:16 AM   #155
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Originally Posted by Cel View Post
I suppose I'm at a loss to explain his damage output, myself... is there a particular reason he uses Fiery Weapon beyond not having the cash for Mongoose? (or is there a discussion on this in some other thread?)

What was his group in this kill?

I guess a 6minute kill favors the cooldowns of a Combat spec, and he didn't get any watery graves, but that's still impressive DPS that I'd be interested to break down.
His group was shaman (me, resto -- not enhance), feral druid, warrior, rogue, rogue. As Khazal himself explained earlier, he's waiting on the damned sword from Morogrim, which is his when it drops (and we've never seen one, ugh), and enchanting a Kara weapon doesn't seem worth the mats.

Still, I was impressed by his DPS output. He's usually the #1 rogue, but his numbers on Morogrim were higher than I can recall seeing previously.

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Old 05/30/07, 10:33 AM   #156
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Here's our Mag kill this week. I'd be interested in someone taking a look and bringing up some things that can be easily improved or fixed.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=zgl2m6rovdvms

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Old 05/30/07, 10:46 AM   #157
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Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
Here's our Mag kill this week. I'd be interested in someone taking a look and bringing up some things that can be easily improved or fixed.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=zgl2m6rovdvms
Please separate the kill from trash, no one cares about the trash.

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Old 05/30/07, 10:47 AM   #158
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Just click on Magtheridon kill on the top left. The log is split.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...ms&s=3938,4612

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Old 05/30/07, 10:47 AM   #159
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
Please separate the kill from trash, no one cares about the trash.
Uh, try mousing over "Full Report" next to "Split."

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Old 05/30/07, 10:48 AM   #160
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Crap, never noticed that. :|

About the kill, hunter wise:

Dohc
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11 serpent stings = 2783 wasted mana
4 aimed shots = stupidity
1.5% miss on auto, 3.3% miss on steady and 3.1% miss on multi. Taking 2% more hit would increase dps by quite a bit.

a bit unlucky with quick shots or then he got a lot of procs while it was allready up.

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Whats up with the pet merging? Probably didnt use pet much on the channelers and then died early on phase 2 = low dps

Last edited by Osse : 05/30/07 at 10:59 AM.

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Old 05/30/07, 10:53 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
Here's our Mag kill this week. I'd be interested in someone taking a look and bringing up some things that can be easily improved or fixed.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=zgl2m6rovdvms
Gear is a major factor in some of what I'm seeing. For example, to pick on someone who stood out, Sabere has a solid spec, and clearly was very active during the fight -- very high DoT uptime, very active with his nukes. In terms of player DPS performance, he is your "best" warlock. Just compare his skill use to the others.

But then look at his gear. Aside from being blues/greens, he has no enchants and has socketed +9sta green gems in every slot.

The worst part is that he's a tailor... with 300 tailoring.

If you gave him a set of Frozen Shadoweave, Spellstrike, some Kara gear, badge offhand, etc., he'd be sustaining well over 1000 DPS with his skill usage. But his gear is terrible.

By comparison, Aevista has the gear, but isn't doing nearly as much as he/she should in terms of skill usage.

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Old 05/30/07, 10:54 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
Gear is a major factor in some of what I'm seeing. For example, to pick on someone who stood out, Sabere has a solid spec, and clearly was very active during the fight -- very high DoT uptime, very active with his nukes. In terms of player DPS performance, he is your "best" warlock. Just compare his skill use to the others.

But then look at his gear. Aside from being blues/greens, he has no enchants and has socketed +9sta green gems in every slot.

The worst part is that he's a tailor... with 300 tailoring.

If you gave him a set of Frozen Shadoweave, Spellstrike, some Kara gear, badge offhand, etc., he'd be sustaining well over 1000 DPS with his skill usage. But his gear is terrible.
He's going to like this comment, he hit 70 yesterday.

I was mostly interested in finding ways to raise dps overall since I see WWS logs where rogues are significantly higher than ours. Our warlocks seem to be below par too. And I think most of their gear is pretty good.

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Old 05/30/07, 10:59 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
He's going to like this comment, he hit 70 yesterday.

I was mostly interested in finding ways to raise dps overall since I see WWS logs where rogues are significantly higher than ours. Our warlocks seem to be below par too. And I think most of their gear is pretty good.
Your rogues look fine. You have no shamans. You're never going to match the numbers you see in other parses without windfury, and your warriors will be hurting even more.

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Old 05/30/07, 11:01 AM   #164
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Yeah on Morogrim not being graved is a huge boon to your DPS. On that kill for example, I got graved 4 times, Akiba once, and Chortle not at all.

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Old 05/30/07, 11:02 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
Crap, never noticed that. :|

About the kill, hunter wise:

4 aimed shots = stupidity
I would guess misdirects.

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