Jayde

QQ at me having to heal (Bozanic) on Mag raids instead of seeing what numbers I could push out with my Mage.

On a more serious note, though.. I've been consistantly surprised at the DPS leap BM Hunters have made recently. 1156 DPS over 7 minutes of DPS time is certainly nothing to cough at. Due to only a single Shadow Priest, the Hunters aren't even getting optimal groups really...think I had Polina/Mikari in a group with a Feral Druid for crit, and that's about all I could spare tonight.

(Really was a bad night in terms of groups, though... Rogues got no Shaman and our normal DPS Warrior is out of town so no Battle Shout either. Prem's DPS obviously shoots up quite a bit with a more optimal group setup. Believe the Rogues had a Feral Druid and TSA Hunter.)

Also resonably impressed at the ability for Inkognito to push out nearly 700 DPS in hybrid tank/DPS gear as a Channeler tank with no DPS consumables and also being assigned to a far-away cube--and tossed out a couple heals for good measure. (Was in the group with the Hunters, so was getting FI as the only group buff.)

 

• Karakas

First Hydross kill tonight:

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...gg&s=5902,6487

Not sure what we can do to improve out DPS. It seems like when I look at other guilds' parses they have people consistently at 1000dps but we seem to struggle with getting over 800. I know our kill for DPS we had Meena/Emitai/Teana all die early. Teana was battle rezzed. Also a bunch of people died towards the end on the last transition due to a bunch of loose adds.

 

Ghando

I don't think you're gonna get 4-digit DPS without an AoE strat, and looking at your group make-up (and your casters' spell usage) you weren't AoEing. Your DPS on single targets just isn't gonna get that high, particularly when your DPS is switching targets all over the place.

 

• Karakas

Actually, we did use an AE strat, although it was a sudden change between attempts (we had our 2 warlocks spamming seed, but I don't think our mages AEed, and single targets still did single target on adds). I definitely think with a full on AE strat with 3-4 warlocks everyone's DPS will go up, but still, I have doubts about us pushing our raid compositions to the limit, DPS-wise.

 

Diskordia

This is a parse from this weeks Astromancer kill.
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...ilnlu&s=-1,274

 

panny

Wow is that a Gruul with 0 melee-specced DPS?

Something is also seems off, your raid only has 3,200,000 damage done, and there are only 24 members.

 

cipro

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=12722,13329

this is to show hunters how the 2/5 t5 bonus matches up vs spirit bond.

I have 2/5 t5 and no spirit bond. Respec has spirit bond but no 2/5 t5 bonus.

 

MikeMo

I actually had a guy today look at our latest gruul/mag kills and he called me a "retard" because I was BM and laughed because I used a pet that had Gore and I wasted time on Kill Command. And this was a fairly experienced raider with a few pieces of T5 and other goodies that basically made my gear look fairly awful. He would not show me a screenshot or link me to any WWS parses of any of their kills however. Some people just don't understand when something is better. I was never a fan of BM in the past but BM didn't do damage in the past and I am a fan of damage hence I am now BM as are many others. That guy gave me a pretty good chuckle.

Osse, the group composition you get is pretty enviable.

 

Pulz

Sorry for not being precise. Maybe the set bonus is playing a trick somewhere in there with me, but I don't think so.
I was just browsing the full log and noticed:

04:48'23.031 Reechani gains 19 Mana from Mana Spring of Mana Spring Totem V
04:48'23.765 Shamiante gains 17 Mana from Mana Spring of Mana Spring Totem IV
(Don't know if it makes a difference, but they are not in the same group)

Looking at the armory, both players seem to be using the set bonus at the moment, but unsure if that was the case when the log was taken.
(They both consistently stick with rank IV and V respectively)

What I am trying to say is, maybe one of them just forgot to buy the last rank.
If so, I just wanted to make Elendril aware of this.

 

Osse

Sometimes.

You should learn bite to your pet btw, it's more damage per focus than gore.

 

MikeMo

Actually, if you look at the previous two kills I had bite turned on with my cat but I didn't know if it was lowering or raising my cats DPS. I decided this week with the ravager I just leveled I would try with Gore only and next week I was going to use Gore/Bite and see which one came out the champ.

 

Kazanir

Our first Hydross kill from last night: http://wow.virakar.com/stats/wws-20070531-1907/

Our DPS was low (notwithstanding the large number of tanks) and we killed him with 14s to go on the enrage timer. The shadow priest is on my list for improvements, as are the enhancement shaman and our DPS warrior. Anyone have any other thoughts?

'War' is too small a word for what I'm fighting. Like a candle in front of the whole burning Sun. I told you. This is bigger than a war. Now, I am not going to die today. I have other projects, and other options.

You can come with me. I can protect you.

 

◊ Praetorian

Ah, I didn't realize you were browsing the full log -- I was just looking at the 17 vs. 19 and thought that could be explained by things other than different ranks.

But uh, yeah, nice catch. Oops?

 

Kdorf

This is our 3rd Morogrim kill:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=opdj6qx4qmcju&m

From our perspective it was a fairly clean kill for a messiness/death point of view, but there's definitely a lot of finer details we could improve on.

I'd love to have someone tear it to pieces with constructive criticism.

 

tedv

Regarding the shadow priest, the most obvious thing is only having 3.5 minutes of Vampiric Touch and 4 minutes of Shadow Word: Pain uptime in a 9 minute fight. He's simply not refreshing them enough. I see some wanding and he got an innervate, plus used two shadow fiends, so clearly mana is an issue (especially given his gear is around 800 spell damage buffed).

In a situation like this, where he's playing for longevity, his best bet is merely to refresh Touch and Pain, and then chain Mind Flay. Using Mind Blast and Death will give more DPS at the cost of mana he can't afford to lose. The only time for him to use Death would be for a Spirit Tap proc from killing one of the spawns.

Which brings me to his talents. There's a few key changes that would make a world of difference. He only has 12 points in Discipline (2/3 meditation and no inner focus). Putting 2 more points here will let him use Devouring Plague off Inner Focus and give a little extra mana regen. And despite having 48 points in Shadow, he has 5/5 Improved Mind Blast but 0/5 Shadow Power. Reducing the cooldown on Mind Blast doesn't help much if you're only casting it 22 times (33 seconds) in a 10 minute fight.

The typical 14/47 spec would take out 4 points from mind blast and 3 from silence and put 2 into the Discipline tree and the other 5 into Shadow Power. If he's really strapped for mana, he could cut the 5 from shadow power and 1 in mind blast for 5/5 Mental Agility in Discipline. If he's only casting Shadow word Pain and Mind Flay in boss fights anyway, this wouldn't even be a DPS loss. Oh, and Spirit Tap > Blackout in raids. Sometimes you can snipe random adds in a boss fight for a reasonable mana boost. If he PvPs a lot I totally understand the desire for Blackout though.

 

Tanuki

Karakas, taking a look at your Hydross kill one major thing I see is people the overall presence of dps is rather low (I would consider 85% presence to be low, I'm not sure how you get under 80% without a death). Additionally, a number of the casters seem to have under 100 spell hit rating while most should have 200+. A number of dps are missing upgraded gems, and enchants at least judging from their armory profiles.

 

◊ Praetorian

Honestly, I'd expect to see low presence on early Hydross kills. You have to really suck (or have like 10 pure healers) to make it to the 10min mark with 25 people alive and wipe to the enrage. Hydross wipes are going to be caused by botched transitions, brutal Tomb chains with 100% mark, aggro pulls, etc. As a raid leader in that setting, I'd stress very conservative play (no DoTs on transition, DPS out a few seconds before you move him across, melee out and spread out even if it means sacrificing transition DPS to avoid bad Tombs, etc.). Once you have kills under your belt, people can more comfortably be more aggressive.

 

sethz

Some parses from our last run to SSC.

Hydross
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...oo&s=1721,2188

Bortolleto dc'ed in the middle of the fight, and Warlove died to an loose add.

Morogrim
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...oo&s=5945,6478

This try i died to a Water Grobule in the end. oops.

Lurker Below
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...oo&s=8462,8997

Karathress
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=11093,11566

Karathress was a mess. 3 pulls with ugly things happening, and in the kill, the priest tank died with she at 10%, killing 2 hunters before we could kill her.


I'd love some constructive criticism.
One thing to note, we're outside US, so everyone have 300-550ms

ps: I know that i need more living rubys in my gear :P

 

Melador

Actually I botched that one and had one of our mages listed as a mob. Here's the fixed version:

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...iixxw&s=-1,274

Some data from looking it over:

- It really is a total dps zerg. The numbers you can put up in this fight are just crazy.
- I was sitting with 193 AR raidbuffed (Soulcloth shoulders/gloves, Arcanoweave chest, trinket, MotW) and I mitigated 53.5% of the total arcane damage. Obviously the short fight duration helps here because the debuff stacks less.
- You could almost certainly do this with fewer healers. I innervated myself once but didn't even have time to pot and never dipped very low mana-wise, and I was mostly spamming not-so-mana-friendly regrowths as she arcane bolted.
- Diskordia and Divriks were are our wrath soak tanks, and afaik both were in the 300-something AR range, resulting in about a third of the AR damage being mitigated on them.

 

Lavode

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...dg&s=4332,4683
Grull kill.

Curse of Recklessness, expose weakness, and bloodfrenzy all in effect.
The 2.1 changes appear to have.. helped the hunters a good deal.

Dps casters are pretty much ending up on the damage meter directly according to the amount of spells they miss. (and the amount of time they had to spend bandaging. I think it would pay in terms of dps to have two raidhealers. But we didnt have one to spare with 6

Obvious things I can tell: We have far too many protection warriors (offered them respecs to fury and back on bank funds, but they declined) and we need to have a chat with the bulk of our rogues. Anything else that needs major improvement?

 

Rikktor

Regarding your warlocks: the two who casted Conflagrate at least once during the fight only used it 2 and 4 times, why? Also, looking at the number of DoT ticks for each of them the top to bottom is pretty huge. Boccob had 101 ticks of Siphon Life, and Loster only had 77 ticks of UA - why?

Your Incinerate warlocks seem to not be using Immolate that much, either.

 

Lavode

pretty sure the conflags were strictly moving-after-throw casts. Dot uptime is a point.

 

Kriegar

Please do. Showing up to a raid with sub 100 hit rating? Off the wall specs like 17/32/12? I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish, and I don't think they do either.

Your hunters look fine, Geldor should fix his shot rotation a bit it seems.

Koluch doesn't use SW: Death at all, and cast Mind Blast 4 times.

Those are the 3 dps classes I know, the rest I can't fully comment on.

 

Lycur

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...ye&s=4027,4638

First Lurker kill. Dodgerx really was that far ahead of everybody else, it's not a sync error or any such thing.

I'm a bit at a loss as to what I can do to improve my own rather abysmal performance on this guy. I'm basically just trying to keep dots up on Lurker while he's up such that they're not clipping at submerges (as opposed to keeping them up constantly) and doing normal pew pew shadowbolts in between. Adds I'm shadowbolting only (on top of throwing up CoE - is this even worthwhile?). Any other affliction warlocks have any tips for this fight?

 

Kruthal

Well, apart from the points Rikktor made, you need to talk to your warlocks about gear.

Looking at for instance Vearun, he's using two engineering trinkets (rocket launchers with 45sta each), so I'm inclined to guess this is his pvp-gear. But he's also wearing three pieces of tier 2...? And he's socketing for color to get bonuses like 3 intellect? And he seems really averse to enchanting stuff, he's losing at least 500 hp to that if his armoury at the moment is pvp-gear.

If that's his pve-gear, well, I generally would expect someone part of a Gruul-killing guild to get regular 5-man blues and enchants ;-)

Same goes for your other locks, Boccob is wearing tier 2 pants and AQ20 neck and lacking head/bracer enchants, Loster has 12 int instaed of 15 spelldamage on his bracers, Rondell is wearing his AQ40 honored ring and has no head/bracer enchants etc.

All of this might be wrong of course, if they logged out in non-PvE gear, but I think you get my point.