In short, both of your Warlocks need more +hit-gear.
Layt missed almost 8 % , Tarrion a horrible 10 % of his shadowbolts. Thats quite a ton of damage missing there.
Same for Mamoruchan, he had 16 % missing fireballs, which theoretically means 0 % hit...
I didnt look at everybody, but +hit seems to be quite a big problem with your mages and warlocks.
Roons looks quite good, he should try to do less scorches and more fireballs
A 1:2 ratio is far from optimal, although i don´t know how much of these scorches came from "1 last scorch before i run away".
Edit : I only looked at your best attempt at Void Reaver, not at the full log
We are a raid group that is currently 6/6 SSC and 3/4 TK, looking to progress on to Hyjal and BT with all due haste.
However, we seem to be struggling and wiping much more than we should on farm content, which costs us valuable time. Moreover, I fear that our less than stellar performance on farm encounters will translate into longer and harder learning periods on Kael and beyond.
So in the interest of improving ourselves, here are parses of the 5 SSC bosses we managed on our last raid (in the order we take them):
Your enhance shaman really should read the thread in the class mechanics forum. Specifically, he should replace his offhand with anything listed in the enhancement thread, even if it's an AH green.
After he does that, it will be easier to critique other aspects of his play. Also - how did he get hit by lurker?
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This is our vashj attempt today. We have been doing ssc without rogues for past few weeks due to our leader believe that mage/warlocks can do as much dps as rogues.
We just downed Leotheras for the first time last thursday (October 4th). I was looking for some way we could improve upon what we did, I believe we were cutting it pretty close to the enrage timer, so obviously our dps was a little slow. I was just wondering if anyone could point some stuff out that I was missing. The thing that really stuck out to be was that our best warlock, Thorkild, seemed to be doing rather low dps, if you navigate to our other fights you'll see he is pretty solid on the damage meters. Anyways, the link is here.
Edit: To clarify, I'm currently not my normal raiding spec in armory, and one of our warlocks, Catrataria, has been her Leotheras tanking spec, so her dps has been comparatively low.
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This is our vashj attempt today. We have been doing ssc without rogues for past few weeks due to our leader believe that mage/warlocks can do as much dps as rogues.
Appreciate any feedback for it. Thanks.
As you know for sure, your dps is very low. about 10K dps kills vashj comfortably, as it seems from the lossendil parses I looked at, starting on page 15. You're at 6.7k. Call it 7k. So, you need to increase your overall dps by about 50%.
Two things jump out at me. First, if you're not going to use rogues (... ? ... ? ...), then you definitely don't want an enhance shaman.
Second, one reason your warrior has such high dps is that 27% of it came from static charge.
Anyway, I actually can't think of a reason you have to use melee dps, though I'm no expert on vashj. That having been said, if you're not going to use them, then you better have really good dps replacements for them.
Your current dps bands are:
800+ 2 people
700+ 2 people
600+ 2 people
500+ 5 people (I included the static charge warrior in here)
400+ 4 people.
I'm frankly quite amazed that your raid leader can't find rogues that would do 500+ dps. A rogue in quest blues and non-heroic gear could probably do that, especially if you pair him up with the enhance shaman.
Probably you should focus on the weakest links first. Your warlock, hunter, shadow priest, and boomkin are in the sub-500 dps range. I'll leave it to other people to comment on them since I don't know those classes well. I'm just saying that you'll get more bang for your buck focusing on the bottom dps'ers and bringing their dps up 25 to 50% than trying to squeeze another 5 or 10% out of your top dps'ers.
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This is our vashj attempt today. We have been doing ssc without rogues for past few weeks due to our leader believe that mage/warlocks can do as much dps as rogues.
Appreciate any feedback for it. Thanks.
Scyn is interesting. His gear has a mix of terrible gems and green quality +dmg gems. He's 14/0/47 and has a Rejuvenating Gem equipped. Aside from that gem (), he has terrible dps time and in 4.5 minutes managed to only cast Mind Blast 5 times. His SWP uptime is bad and his VT uptime is even worse. A Priest who can only keep VT up 33% of the time is a waste of a raid slot. His spec is fine but it baffles me why he would spec 4/5 Imp Mind Blast when he's casting it once per minute.
As you know for sure, your dps is very low. about 10K dps kills vashj comfortably, as it seems from the lossendil parses I looked at, starting on page 15. You're at 6.7k. Call it 7k. So, you need to increase your overall dps by about 50%.
Two things jump out at me. First, if you're not going to use rogues (... ? ... ? ...), then you definitely don't want an enhance shaman.
Second, one reason your warrior has such high dps is that 27% of it came from static charge.
Friendly Fire such as Static Charge and Shatter don't get counted in WWS damage totals (though it's shown). Try adding up all the damage done by the Warrior without Static Charge and you'll get the total listed.
Hi, we killed Teron Gorefiend yesterday ( http://wowwebstats.com/ch3fj54fvy2dk?s=11368-11639 ), and I'd be glad if someone here could pick apart the performance of our raid in general, especially in terms of DPS / Cycles. Thanks in advance.
Your enhance shaman really should read the thread in the class mechanics forum. Specifically, he should replace his offhand with anything listed in the enhancement thread, even if it's an AH green.
After he does that, it will be easier to critique other aspects of his play. Also - how did he get hit by lurker?
I will be sure to direct his attention to the thread in question.
I suspect he got hit by Lurker the same way I did; tank gets a knockback (geyser or so) and Lurker turns on someone else in Melee range.
Attempt 10 was out best attempt and we got her to 36%. Wow Web Stats
We wiped because several elementals must have leaked during phase2 and she was hitting me (the MT) for 5-7k instead of normal 3-5k. Also poison did 9-10k instead of ~7k. I died pretty fast in Phase 3, the OT died at 36%.
Most elemental leaking must have been during the Phase 2->Phase 3 transition, it was our first time and it was a bit hectic.
Anyway...
The Strider died well in time (usually 10-15 seconds till next one, which is perfect)
The Elites / Naga died usually just in time or just too late.
The biggest "complaint" I got was that some of the elemental handlers had nothing to do at times. Group composition for the elementals might not be ideal (2 locks, 2 hunters and 2 dps warriors).
The DPS Spread on the elementals is a bit weird aswell:
Fnitter: 7% - Toonamii: 15% - Intressepul: 13% - Keyblader: 14% - Maesto: 11% - Bitterman: 22%
Huge difference between north and west. North has always been the area where most elementals spawn.
Did I put too many players on the elementals ?
Putting less would be ok if there weren't tained elementals... but one of our biggest struggles (untill attempt 10+) was that many tained were missed. So putting even less players on the elementals might be good for overall dps, but not for catching all tained ones...
Also note that Neeza, Aquatious and Maesto just joined the guild and are most likely inexperienced and undergeared in the fight.
If anyone has the time to have a look at it and comment... we are going again tonight and are hopeing for a kill so any tips would help.
3 days of wiping on Morogrom With a best try having him at 3% ;(
We use a pally healing a lock(who is life taping) at the graves to aggro the murlocks and have 2 healers with them healing the graved ppl and the pally. All mages\warlocks assist on killing the murlocks...
Tips are welcomed
The tactic is working i guess so we are after some class improvments
Our wipes can be examined by navigating the log, and if any are interested, all our parses are saved here.
I hope you can provide some pointers on things we can improve, both as a group and our individual members.
Since our WWS was already posted by Lunaviel, I would just like to ask if anybody has any helpfull sugestions for our hunters? They seem low to me or maybe I am just expecting too much from them?
These are our Guild's first Leotherass Tries from this evening, as well as the other Kills from this evening.
Our MT plays since the beginning of WoW and "simply doesn't like HeroicStrike" because she is mainly tanking with Thunderfury and says that with ShieldSlam,Devastate,Revenge she is all the time on her GCD and simply has no possibility to also use HS with her tanking style.(not enough Rage?)
Is the threat generation simply awful because VR is such a bad fight (Knockbacks) or do we have to persuade/force her to use HS?
Aren't we giving her enough buffs to tank the right way? (Group is MT,OT,TreeofLife,Warlock,Paladin)
Smack your MT upside the head. If she's refusing to use HS, she's not maximizing her threat. She should be queueing up HS after every ability. Sure threat comes from skills and such, but a large portion of it also comes from damage done. Heroic strike is a large chunk of damage she's not doing. Perhaps she doesn't realize she can queue it up after her abilities and doesn't need to wait for the GCD to reset?
3 days of wiping on Morogrom With a best try having him at 3% ;(
We use a pally healing a lock(who is life taping) at the graves to aggro the murlocks and have 2 healers with them healing the graved ppl and the pally. All mages\warlocks assist on killing the murlocks...
Tips are welcomed
The tactic is working i guess so we are after some class improvments
The good: Your enhance shaman is keeping his totems up!
The bad: He's using the wrong one :p
He's using grace of air instead of windfury totem. Well, the rogues/warrior did have a few windfury attacks, but it was something like 7, max, over the course of a fight. He dropped Grace of Air 6 times, which is appropriate for the length of the fight that he was alive, so I can only assume he dropped WF before the fight, then dropped GoA thereafter, or something like that. Or he was twisting totems, unsuccessfully (Might I interest him in a mod? See my signature if he wants one to help with totem twisting).
Your 3% wipe might have actually been a kill with that one change. Even with out twisting, just keeping WF totem down and making sure the rogues are using that instead of poisons could likely do it. Twisting would help out the Mutilate rogue, though I think WF without twisting is just as good for them (see rogue thread for more info).
Also, the benefit of WF totem will vary depending on how your warrior plays. I see that he's an MS warrior who likes to slam. Neither slam nor MS will proc windfury, so he might have to use a different dps rotation to make efficient use of it. See the warrior dps thread(s?) for more info on that.
Other than that, your enh shammy is playing ok - you can't expect *that* much more dps from him considering he died once and his baseline gear levels. But, he can improve by doing a flameshock/earthshock rotation to save mana. Also, is there some reason he's not trusting in his healers? If there's a good reason for it, then that's fine that he was healing himself. However, he used Gift of the Naaru (1.5 sec cast) and Lesser healing wave 11 (1.5 sec cast) times, but I don't see potion useage. He could have had an additional 10 to 20 seconds of dps time if he were willing/able to use health pots (please disregard this part though if he did, and I'm just bad at reading WWS).
Since our WWS was already posted by Lunaviel, I would just like to ask if anybody has any helpfull sugestions for our hunters? They seem low to me or maybe I am just expecting too much from them?
Its seems to me as if they are stuck at a "pre-tbc" syndrome. Still MM and not using pets (or maybe its something with the logs?).
They aren't bad hunters. Theyre are rotation their shots fine and they have good gear/gem/enchant choices and they do get quite alot of dps out of MM.
Tell them to check out the various hunter threads at these forums. They will soon discover the power of 41/20 BM spec or maybe Survival (a survival hunter would be about the same range of DPS as they are as MM and would provide ~250 AP to your melee)
If they aren't into digging through 100+ pages discussions, suggest that they try out BM and a 1 auto : 1 steady shot rotation. And they need to use their pets and keep them alive. And 28 crit scope > 12 dam.
3 days of wiping on Morogrom With a best try having him at 3% ;(
We use a pally healing a lock(who is life taping) at the graves to aggro the murlocks and have 2 healers with them healing the graved ppl and the pally. All mages\warlocks assist on killing the murlocks...
Tips are welcomed
The tactic is working i guess so we are after some class improvments
Are you using frost traps to slow the murlocs where they meet in the middle (roughly) of the room? Are you using the AE strat or some sort of single target assisting?
In the end what's causing you to wipe? I probably should of asked that first.
From looking at the presence % on your last attempt, I'd say that you're AE'ers start dieing off. Are the murlocs sitting on a frost trap as they meet in the middle of the room, do mages have a frost nova rotation setup? Are your warlocks pre-seeding the packs as they run together so they can gain agro to let the mages go nuts with arcane explosion/blastwaves without fear of pulling agro?
I would also like some feedback if possible. We are a relatively casual guild just starting in SSC/TK and any help people can give you be great. Most of our players have about KZN / Crafted / Gruul gearing.
3 days of wiping on Morogrom With a best try having him at 3% ;(
We use a pally healing a lock(who is life taping) at the graves to aggro the murlocks and have 2 healers with them healing the graved ppl and the pally. All mages\warlocks assist on killing the murlocks...
Tips are welcomed
The tactic is working i guess so we are after some class improvments
I have some comments about one of your holy priests, Holyangel. One, she's using Flash Heal almost exclusively. Flash Heal is useful and all, especially on the Morogrim tank, but it's not very mana efficient and a mix of Flash Heal and various ranks of Greater Heal (like your other priests) would probably be better.
Two, she really needs some better gear. Bad luck on raid drops is not a good excuse here - she should have both pieces of Whitemend, the HH revered ring, the Violet Eye ring, etc. Some of the badge rewards would be good too. Half her stuff is not enchanted either. If she gets set up with a few easily obtainable epics with good enchants and gems her +healing and mana regen will both go up quite a lot.
We usually wait for the frost nova to be in place before locks start with SoC. Wont mages die if they get in melee range if the murlocs are trapped with nova?
Once or twince in the fight a healer steals aggro from the tanking pally straight after the eartquake whick can lead to a wipe. I cant point a reason for our wipes cause then it would be easy to fix. In generall the tactic works
We just downed Leotheras for the first time last thursday (October 4th). I was looking for some way we could improve upon what we did, I believe we were cutting it pretty close to the enrage timer, so obviously our dps was a little slow. I was just wondering if anyone could point some stuff out that I was missing. The thing that really stuck out to be was that our best warlock, Thorkild, seemed to be doing rather low dps, if you navigate to our other fights you'll see he is pretty solid on the damage meters. Anyways, the link is here.
Edit: To clarify, I'm currently not my normal raiding spec in armory, and one of our warlocks, Catrataria, has been her Leotheras tanking spec, so her dps has been comparatively low.
On the contrary, Thorkild's DPS is actually not that bad considering. He appears low on that report because, well, he died 5 minutes into the fight. But if you sort by DPS, he's 2nd - not too bad.
He could improve on several of his gems (both of his pants gems and one of his boots gems are green quality) and his spec/rotation kinda leave me going "huh?", but he seems to be doing well compared to the rest of your raid. Make sure you're using an accurate timer for Leo's switches so the DPSers can wait as long as possible before stopping DPS. Also, use Searing Totem if you aren't already to center Leo again following his whirlwind.
Leo is a little bit of an attrition fight. I wouldn't worry about the enrage timer - unless people are living. You had quite a few early deaths in that parse...and that more than makes up the 3% you needed for a kill. Make people leave and Leo will die.
We usually wait for the frost nova to be in place before locks start with SoC.
You'll see faster, more efficient AE if your warlocks start seeding 5-7s before they reach the middle and get frost nova'd in a pile.
We used this method on moro last night with 3 alt AE's (out of a total of 4 AE'ers, 2 mages 2 warlocks) and it was very clean and fast each time. As the 2nd mage in the frost nova rotation I'd just wait until the seeds started breaking the first nova, re-frost nova, waited a few seconds before my frost nova started breaking then hit blastwave plus a few arcane explosions.
Wont mages die if they get in melee range if the murlocs are trapped with nova
Yes they will die if they get in melee range, but there's no reason for mages to ever be in melee range of the murlocs in this fight, frost nova, blastwave and arcane explosion all have sufficient range to hit all the murlocs while standing outside melee range while they're in frost novas.
Once or twince in the fight a healer steals aggro from the tanking pally straight after the eartquake whick can lead to a wipe.
All your healers and shadowpriests need to be aware of who the murlocs are targetting and move to the middle accordingly. Have someone call it on vent if it helps.
10/07/07, 8:48 PM
), he has terrible dps time and in 4.5 minutes managed to only cast Mind Blast 5 times. His SWP uptime is bad and his VT uptime is even worse. A Priest who can only keep VT up 33% of the time is a waste of a raid slot. His spec is fine but it baffles me why he would spec 4/5 Imp Mind Blast when he's casting it once per minute.
See my signature if he wants one to help with totem twisting).
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