clavarnway

This is sort of OT, but I just had a neat idea - I was always curious what kind of DPS I could pull on a boss if I could just stand there and cast and cast and cast - nothing to worry about, etc. Basically I wanted to see how close I could get to my spreadsheet damage. Well my idea was to do a WWS on Al'ar, and cast a marker spell, something nobody ever casts, right when Al'ar dies in phase 1, then after the raid go through the combat log file and do Find and type in the marker spell, then cut it off and make a new combat log with everything before that. Then WWS will only show the stuff for phase 1. I'm not in BT yet so I can't do any fights like Teron, who I hear is basically like that, stand and nuke.

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Ariose

Switching to daggers won't help. If we compared theoretical weapons (and associated talent builds) that are identical except for type, we'd find that swords are best with fists below that. Both daggers and maces will perform worse than those two. There's more though, in your rogue's case the weapons aren't identical. If he were to switch to daggers, his offhand speed would raise from 1.5 to 1.8. This would put a significant damper on his DPS as he would be getting less combat potency procs.

However, I can't figure out what Arkheon is doing wrong. His talent choices are sound. His gear is generally enchanted and gemmed well. (A few minor things: He should replace the 16 AP gem with 8 AGI or 4/4 Hit/Agi. If he has T5 legs or shoulders, he should strongly consider "downgrading" one of those slots so he can get the T5 4pc set bonus. A DST, WSC or TT would be great to replace his blue trinket. He's using the cheap enchant on his legs and hasn't enchanted one ring. This is all minor though.) He's in a group that's giving him battle shout and windfury. He's using the right abilities. I hope someone else can figure out what's going on here, I'm kind of intrigued.

 

Kasi

Not sure if Al'ar is the ideal boss to test it on, since he pretty constantly moves and you need to move for it. Lurker would be nearly perfect if not for the other phases. I'd say the best thing to do is go to ZA and do the bear boss. That or prince. Both are stand and nuke with no AOE component and almost no repositioning (basically none in bear's case) Morogrim is great if you don't have to aoe, but I'm sure you do. When you get to T6 Rage is a great test. You basically with some luck only have to move once in the whole fight. I've gone through whole ones with never seeing a D&D.

But still, why can't Blizzard implement a training dummy system in capital cities. Put it with 0, +1, +2 and +3 level dummies who have positioning and you can test your dps out on.

 

Polleke

Dr. Boom in netherstorm is the closest thing available now. You would still be missing out on raid buffs and debuffs though. It would be cool if they implented an idea like yours. And I'm sure internally they do have mobs like that with the abbility to turn on certain buffs and debuffs. They often speak about internal testing of dps, and I don't think they do that with a spreadsheet.

* Bla

 

clavarnway

Can anybody access the WWS site?

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Vanesco

Yeah, it's a bit slow though

 

clavarnway

I must be having shit luck then, I'm trying to upload a report and it keeps timing out.

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Vanesco

"A bit" as in really really slow :-x

 

ionlylooklazy

ya, i couldn't upload anything yesterday.., but i can now

heres my guilds first illidari council kill

Wow Web Stats


i had a disagreement with the druid class leader in the guild.

early on we were using the druid to raid heal, but i had him switch with a shaman to heal on the MT.
my argument was that druids are more effective healing tanks due to being able to maintain one or more lifebloom stacks on multiple tanks, and that hots were too slow and risky with envenom/holy wrath/blizzard/flamestrike damage wrecking the raid.

but he instisted the druids are ideal raid healers. so i get yelled at for the switch and the druid goes back to raid healing

when we switched the druid from MT to raid healing, we killed him two attempts later, but i feel this is more due to bringing in a 10th healer rather than reallocating the druid, and looking at the parse itself, it seems his overall output was lower and it made for spikier MT healing.

can i get a second opinoin please?

 

Nezralix

I don't have any personal experience with druid healing in a raid, but just looking at the numbers, it seems like a druid should be able to keep a lifebloom stack up on a tank while also healing the raid.

 

Gange

Arkheon seems to be doing the right things, from what I can tell. About the only major thing that would improve his DPS is getting him an enhance shaman. He seems to have had a resto shaman in his group, judging from the lack of UR and Strength of Earth on his buff list. (Although the Resto shaman should be able to drop that totem, too)

 

Modhne

We recently started Hyjal and have been doing quite well in there except on Anetheron. I've looked over the logs multiple times and we keep making changes to the strategy that work better but it still is a terrible fight for us (then we one shot Kaz'rogal each time)

Wow Web Stats - first kill
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Our kills are almost always flawless (one death on the one tonight) and our strategy is 4 camps spread evenly around Anetheron and close enough so healers in adjacent camps can heal when a swarm is taken. We then position infernals near Jaina (with 1 healer and 1 tank) and switch to them at around 25 seconds to the next one. Running three hunters means each one gets a misdirect, but they still go kill off a healer before moving to a tank a lot. The only change we made was using a paladin healer with righteous fury for the infernal tank on the last attempt which seemed to help smooth out the transition for Infernals.

 

xyruul

Our MS warrior did 1849 on Teron last night. We were missing a Ret Paladin though. Here is the link:
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parivers

Hello,

On a recent Al'ar attempt we hit the enrage timer. This was only our second real attempt on Al'ar. We have currently downed Void Reaver and High Astromancer Solarian. I'm a healer myself and don't have to much knowledge of DPS classes. As we hit the enrage timer and we only got him down to 32% I'm sure our raid setup was incorrect or our DPS was not enough.

Stats are here the first attempt was our best.

Many thanks in advance.

 

Gormal

After a quick Hyjal run tonight, I hosted my logs on WWS, then sent them to our RL to be rolled into his and another's. There are some glaring differences in overall numbers as well as individual stats, and I'm trying to figure out why. How can the combined report show me using an ability fewer times than my own log does, when my log is included in his?

Mine: Wow Web Stats

Combined: Wow Web Stats

(Linked to Anetheron since its an obvious difference and i never moved from melee range.)

1700 dps seems a bit high anyway for the level of gear we have right now so I'm betting something glitched.

 

Polleke

Three attempts in two hours of raiding? Speed things up. Clearing trash took almost an hour. Between attempt 1 and 2 was 20 minuts. Don't slow down when clearing trash, looking at the log you didn't wipre during it. Get used to one person marking up the next pack while you kill the last mobs of the previous. Pull a minut at most after the previous pack.

None of your melee is dpsing Al'ar himself in p2. Everyone is dpsing the embers. Put your melee on al'ar full time, the blast from the embers is really sub optimal for them. Put ranged on the embers. All your ranged also has a very low dps time. They are free to dps al'ar when there are no embers arround. Aslong as you semi keep up with the embers spawning it's fine.

You bring 8 healers and 6 tanks. Try to work with 7 healers and 4 tanks tops. That frees up another 3 spots for dps.

Your shadowpriest Refia knows what he is doing, as does your hunter Mallus, and both warlocks.

* Bla

 

Darlal

I can confirm that there's nothing wrong with his spec, gear, or basic breakdown in WWS. My guess is that he was being a bit lazy running back in from ground slams and lost a second or two of dps here and there. I usually do slightly more damage than he does with a full tier lower gear, but using season 2 swords, but in order to do that I need to be extremely aggressive with my cooldowns and running back in. I notice that he broke 1k dps on your Najenetus kill.

There are some tricks that will boost his dps, but really aren't worth it on farm content (as I'm sure Gruul is). First, he's not using drums of battle on gruul, but is on Najenetus. Second, he's not using haste potions at all. Third, the big thing is he needs new trinkets. He'll get a solid 20-30 dps from a DST, and something along those lines from a tsunami talisman or wsc. I know first hand how annoying it is to not have trinkets drop (15th Gruul kill without a single DST...I'm going nuts), but he seems to be doing everything else right. Also, if you're really worried about squeezing the last bit of dps out of him, have him pick up the Season 2 arena swords (or the Talon of Azsahara/T6 swords) as soon as possible for a bit of a dps upgrade.

 

vultur

Heya,

My guild managed to down Morogrim yesterday.

Here's the WWS.

I would like some input about the warrior Thanatus (me). I was grouped with 2 hunters (one MM and one BM) a rogue and a feral druid. I'm 33/28/0, and pretty new to this warrior dps stuff (used to be a combat swords rogue).

Our group stayed on the boss almost the whole fight, so no cleave or WW for me. In fact I didn't had much rage to do anything else but slam, hehe.

Thank you

edit: armory link

 

Rott

Has anyone else had trouble upgrading their account? I went through the upgrade process about 2 months ago and still have not heard anything nor seen my account get upgraded. I posted on the WWS forums and others have had similar issues.

 

Loren

Mainly the problem was pre-tbc druid healers were the ones that could flow and heal wherever it was needed. Come the expansion and lifebloom stacking they also became exceptional main tank healers. Normally healing about 1500 hit points per second with heals over time alone. Factor in the initial heal of regrowth, swiftmend and natures swiftness you have a class well designed to smooth out spikes while healing a maintank.(or a few) This does not make them a bad raid healer...

From the sound of your post I feel the issue might have been how you handled the discussion with the player. There is no mention if the raid dying or the tank dying was the reason behind wipes. If it was the tank I would have tried to engage the player to help with the problem, verus debating how or if druids were good at raid healing. Lets just say in the right fights druids are amazing raid healers. Just tell him, they seem to be having problems keeping up the tank up, we really need you to help out. The main problem with lifebloom stacking...it is boring compared to pre tbc healing. When you have conditioned yourself to look for the weakness in the raid and moving to heal where it is needed, you have a hard time healing only the main tank(s).

If they still are a problem after trying to feed their ego, by saying we just need you on the main tank(or having the raid/guild leader) as you are a strong healer. Just say lets just give it a try and if it is not working we can switch back. It is a hard transition for most older druids to make... considering how just spaming on the tank was looked down upon PRE-TBC. Really the goal of most guilds is to try and make the healers feel as if it is teamwork which wins at the game. Try not to mention meters, but make it goal oriented. Tell them all they are doing a great job(when they are), and compliment them when you can. Healing assignments almost always decides who wins the meters. If someone is low on meters and upset just tell them it was the assignment. Rivalry often works as well, but make sure it is friendly not hostile. He would be healing alot more if he was on the main tank, in this case as he should have stolen most of the priests healing...1500 healing per second with lifebloom/rejuvenation/regrowth alone.

Just understand it is hard for many players to change from what they have loved for years....

 

Kinsen

Looking for some insight on how the guild as a whole can improve and more specifically the locks. We had a bit of a bad time in guild the last month or two with alot of ppl quitting WoW all together or xferring servers and such, but this past week we seem to finally be getting back to where we left off (this was the first week in months that we downed VR, Hydross, and Lurker). Due to low attendance and many new people we've basically done nothing but Gruul, Mag, and VR for the past month so it was nice to actually go back in SSC this week and we one shotted VR after attempting Al'ar until just before respawns.

Here is the WoW Web Stats for the Al'ar attempts and VR kill (should link to VR kill, not too concerned about trash, if anyone wants to make suggestions on Al'ar attempts that's cool but it was our first night ever trying him)

Important things to note, we've just had three of our locks switch to Destro from Aff (myself being one) due to decent turnout plus 2 shad priests almost always being on. We've all been playing w/ gear and builds so our armory could be diff now then the other nights run (i.e. I believe Mortiki/destro just respecced last nite, and Tsalmaveth/affliction just respecced this week too). Not sure what gear you'll see on the armory for myself or Fiesty but I believe we are the only locks w/ spell hit capped. Also on VR my omen was really off and my threat was really high about half way, after soulshattering it didn't take too long to build it back up so the last min or two I had to really cut back dps.

Next was our attempts and eventual lurker kill. We had probably 5-8 ppl who were new to the fight or atleast new to the fight w/ our guild, here are the WoW Web Stats for the death.

Important things to note from this log: I messed up when Tarynator/priest and Mithirn/Hunter sent me thier logs and listed them w/ the wrong name attached to each. So you'll see Tarynator really high up the dmg list for a healer b/c he has the hunters dmg listed w/ his and the same thing for Mithirn under healing, he has the priests abilities listed along with his numbers. Just ignore those two guys and the rest should be fine. Unfortunately I'm at work now and didn't catch the mistake til just a while ago so I can't change it til I go back home.

Things I noticed... the elem shammy was only close to the mage in our group (both of which were on the center ring) so the locks in group didn't get benefit of his totems. I asked him to move closer as Mortiki and I were on the center platform for adds so technically it shouldn't have been to hard for him to get a bit closer and drop totems to assist us (I could have switched my neck and trinket to drop hit and boost crit/dmg but oh well). Also 3 of the 4 mages are on sheep duty for the three hard hitting adds. Our strat involves us just keeping them sheeped the entire fight so we don't have to kill them but once, at the end when lurker dies. I don't see any mention of polymorph in the logs tho the adds were definitely sheeped during the long fight.

So any suggestions for overall raid improvement? could group makeup be better? is anyone performing really poorly? Tsalmaveth has asked for assistance in picking up her dps, can anything be seen in her rotation/spells that shows a clear room for improvement? Any help is muchly appreciated. I just discovered these forums a few weeks back and they have been the most insightful threads I've seen. I've referenced so much info from these threads on our guild forums especially relating to class mechanics so I want to say thank you all for that. I've only been running WWS for like 3 weeks now so I'm sure I've overlooked some things available in the logs so whatever you guys find worthwhile or really out of link pls point it out.

 

Xei

Looking for advice on a few new players we have in-guild as well as a few old ones who have respec'd.

Spiritstomp - Enhance Shaman The World of Warcraft Armory
Villan - Elemental Shaman The World of Warcraft Armory

Both Shaman respec'd recently and will be a little undergeared.

Haematoma - Destro Lock The World of Warcraft Armory
Darcvenus - Shadow Priest The World of Warcraft Armory

Haematoma and Darcvenus are relatively new and I feel they are under performing and I would like to offer them some advice to bring them up to standard - their gear is on par with us so they should be doing better.

WWS (Al'ar)
WWS (VR)
WWS (Solarian)
WWS (Kael - our first ever kill)

WWS (Fathom Lord)
WWS (Tidewalker)
WWS (Lurker)

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WTB Oceanic Horde PvE Players

 

moowalk

Your shadow priest would see a significant increase in dps if he used mana pots and MBed + SWed every cooldown. His spell damage is similar to mine and it's sufficient to sustain that with proper consumables.

His DoT uptime looks fine, but he's getting 36% damage from flay, 12% from MB and 6% from SW compared to 26/19/10 from my last FLK kill

800+ dps vs 1050+ dps for reference

 

Krazen

Tsam has a solid spec. But she isn't maintaining her dots. In a possible ~10 minute fight she has 70,60, and 55 dot ticks. DoTimer or something similar will help a lot.

 

Skyhoof

Has anyone figured out a way to easily see who landed life-saving heals and who was just topping off the raid and looking good on the healing meters? I was thinking if there was some way to parse the data based on the percentage of health when the heal landed. Then you could see who healed every with less than 25% health or less than 15% health. Does anyone know if this would be possible to do using WWS or perhaps another mod? Thanks.