
Originally Posted by Edghar
I'm looking for some advice on some specs/classes in our raids that I don't have very much knowledge of first-hand. Here's the WWS for a full SSC run we did recently, which I broke up into separate links for each boss.
Hydross - Wow Web Stats
Lurker - Wow Web Stats
Leotheras - Wow Web Stats
Fathom-Lord - Wow Web Stats
Tidewalker - Wow Web Stats
Vashj - Wow Web Stats
I'm most concerned with our paladins. Every holy paladin we bring to raids has almost always been at the bottom of the healing charts for any particular boss fight, barely outhealing shadow priests. Yes, I know healing charts aren't a good indicator of performance, but combined with the fact that they can't seem to put out enough HP/s to keep their assigned targets alive and just coming dead-last most of the time, I'm really inclined to believe something is wrong. Since I've been Horde for all of my WoW career, my exposure to Paladins in PvE is limited to TBC only, and I've never had the chance to play around with one to learn how they tick as well as other classes, so I'm hoping the EJ community can help me out with this one.
Aside from Paladin healing, I'm also concerned with the disparities I'm seeing among multiple DPS people. Take a look at the damage gap between Devilnaht and Psyphin, for example, both Warlocks. You can see a similar situation with Coa and Manina, both hunters. I'm wondering if this is spec, gear, skill, or a combination of these things that I am unable to identify.
Any advice would be incredibly helpful.
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It looks like your guild is about as progressed as the guild I am in, killing ssc bosses in about the same time. I basically compared your pallies to ours. Here are to wws reports covering 1 ssc run from the guild I'm in:
Wow Web Stats
Wow Web Stats
For Hydross, Morogrim, Karathress, and Leotheras the numbers look fine, though they could be doing better. I'm a bit more concerned with Madula than Martun. Both pallies while lowish on the meter, generally are not far behind. You'll notice Kimbelin and/or me are usually quite high on the healing meter, but not always. So it is possible for your pallies to be putting out a bit more healing in most situations.
I noticed Madula uses FoL heavily, I think often too much. I happen to also use FoL a lot too (more than many other pallies), but even I don't rely on FoL as much as Madula sometimes does. Sometime Madula is at like 10:1 ratio of FoL to HL (on hydross she had a ratio of HL to FoL of 133:2...). Should be more like 3 or 4 to 1. This will help keep Lights Grace up a bit more, which is handy. There are definitely times when heavy FoL is fine, but think Madula relys on it too much.
Martun also sometimes possibly relys too much on FoL, but not quite as bad as Madula.
HL is just plain more HPS = more healing. Keeping Light's Grace up also helps a lot, though I don't think it is mandatory to keep up all the time. Martun and Madula don't pull out big heals (HL) as often as they could, which hurts more by not have LG up as often as they could.
Just look at the HPS in wws between me and them. HPS is just to the right of "HPS Time" towards the topish of the individual player's page (Raids & Mobs).
Madula -- Martun -- Rexjr
Vashj: 602 ---- 747 ---- 969
Leo: 508 ---- 685 ---- 1028
Fathom: 870 ---- 992 ---- 1098
Lurker: 505 ---- 682 ---- 1115
Hydros: 516 ---- 661 ---- 1022
Another area with some problems in some fights is the number of casts. Some fights Martun and/or Madula simply are not casting much. I.E. in lurker I had 81 FoL and 33 HL, while Martun had 51 FoL and 6 HL. It looks like both of us were doing raid healing during that fight, with focus of 4.6 for me and 3.7 for Martun. Assuming nothing weird happened or they have some special role, I suspect Martun and Madula of not spam casting as much as they could be. Sometimes they might be doing reactive healing (waiting for tank to take damage before healing).
Gear:
Why are Martun's head, legs, and boots not enchanted (might just be a armory bug)? Madula didn't log out in PvE healing gear so I can't say anything there. However, she was wearing the Brighthelm, which was not enchanted, though she might use a different helm. Make sure they get there stuff enchanted.
I recommend Martun use the Insightful Earthstorm Diamond. It's widely considered the best paladin gem, though I don't think it is going to make a big difference. The problem with his current gem, the one that cuts next spell in half time, it isn't very good for a person who uses FoL as much as Martun does. That gem does not improve FoL HPS, only HL.
Also, are blue gems really that hard to farm for? I'm seeing a lot of green gems. There isn't a big difference between green and blue gems in terms of stats. However, it's always seemed to me that the players that go with green gems in epics tend to be more casual, less competitive, or just don't care all that much about performance.
LURKER
I think for most fight's Martun is fine, but on Lurker he seemed especially poor. I notice this is the only fight where Martun's focus is over 2, which probably means that he simply isn't very good at raid healing. This is not a paladin strength, but Martun is still far behind.
Take a look at how well I did on this fight with a lot of raid healing. /flex
- Mardun is not healing enough. Mardun had 57 hits versus Me at over 100 and Veritie at over 80. Kimbelin was at only 65 hits, but she was doing mostly HL and focusing on the tank.
Looks like Martun was trying to raid heal based on the 3.6 focus rating. Some might think that is a source for failure, however, I tend to do a lot of raid healing during the fight since I tend to cover the backside of Lurker. I did almost 300k eff. healing with a focus of 4.6, where as he did less than 100k, yet both fights were about the same length.
Martun just isn't clicking his heal button enough. My guess is that he is doing too much 'reactive healing' (waiting for the tank to take damage before choosing what heal to click and then clicking it).I find it hard to believe Martun was anywhere near going oom. So, he really shouldn't be afraid of doing more spam casting of FoL on the tank, or tossing out FoL's on the raid.
- Overhealing: What is weird about his overhealing is that he isn't doing a lot of healing for such a high OH. Look at Kimbelin in my guild who was doing a sort of healing style of spam casting HL, and has a similar OH % as martun. Kim did 200k eff. healing and was one of the top 3 healers for the MT, enyce. Kim's total healing (including overhealing) was almost 500k, while Martun's total healing was only about 160k.
Having a high OH% without lots of healing probably means 1 of 2 things. First, that he was doing a ton of unnecessary healing. This is obviously not the case since Martun is doing so little total healing. The alternative is that he is just a slow responder. His heals get off later than most other people because he doesnt click fast enough.
For raid healing, I recommend Click2Cast addon (there is another addon that is similar, can't remember the name). It allows you to hover your mouse over the raid frame of a person, then click mouse to heal them. This means you don't have to click once to select each person as your target, then click again to do the heal. One click instead of 2. It save a lot of time when raid healing when you switch a lot of targets.
Vashj
Here I take a good look at Madula. It looks like me and Madula were both healing up top, focusing on the tanks (not on the stairs). Based on the 'who heals who', we have similar focus values of 1.7 and 1.9. There is some difference in overhealing %, nothing major. There is a noticeable difference in ratio of FoL to HL, where I am the one doing noticeably more FoL. This isn't a big deal either.
The big problem is the number of casts. Both fights were about the same length, my fight was slightly longer (30ish seconds). I had 166 FoL hits, and 23 HL hits. Madula had 67 FoL hits and 18 HL hits. I clicked my heal button's over twice as much. Why? It's not like I was doing more raid healing, we have similar focus values.
I think Madula is simply not doing much of any spam casting, perhaps too much reactive healing. Maybe you have significantly more healers up top healing the tanks, idk, maybe doing more healing was not neccisary. It's just that Madula pretty consistently clicks the heal buttons less than the pallies in my guild, or even less than Martun.
Madula might simply be an overly mana conservative.
All this is based just on the comparison to Ladies of Destiny's one raid, not several others, so not sure how other things compare.
Sorry, I was a bit redundant and probably could have made this much more concise >_<