About equal gearing, mid T5ish stuff. Our other Resto Druids have a bit of Hyjal gear, but we haven't' seen much Leather Healing.

Assignments could be a thing, as I noticed the same on Teron where he only was healing the MT. I do want to talk to him about using LBs on more targets, however, if he can't even keep up his group at Anetheron with LB and Rejuvs, I'm worried about asking him to look elsewhere. There might have been alternative sceanrio, such as him at a bad positioning and taking the group he's healings' Carrion Swarms, which is his fault of positioning not healing.

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You were in the green beam. This reduces the cost of specials - namely SS. Ever notice by the end of the phase you can spam SS nearly constantly and not run out of energy? 16-energy SS's ftw.

Axsu's performance looks basically fine in terms of amount of healing done.

Only thing stands out as questionable is his/her gemming all spell crit. +9 healing/ 2mp5 beats spell crit basically always in BOTH speed and mana regen (would have to be spamming a high rank HL for spell crit to be worth it). This stands out especially considering how much he/she is using FoL. I calculated how much mana regen 8 spell crit generates based on Axsu's own WWS data from the Kaz and Azg fights: 2 mp5 gems would have generated almost twice as much mana as 8 spell crit.

I recommend she switch the red and blue gem spots for 9+ healing / 2mp5. Not only are they just plain better HPS AND mana regen than 8 spell crit, she will also pick up some gem bonuses.

Another thing. I recommend she use almost any meta gem head piece (T5, or the 2 helms from najentus, even T4 is probably better than that ZA helmet). The 12 int + chance for mana restore meta gem is worth like 20-40 mp5 for a pally.

I would appreciate any constructive criticisms you guys have.

Our healers are superb in my opinion (one pally was specced prot the whole night though), and our melee group holds it own pretty well. We've been making huge improvements with our ranged dps, but now that we have fixed the major mistakes, I am turning to you to help fine-tune our raid. All suggestions are welcome.

Hydross

Lurker

Leo

Fathomlord

Heya we've been wondering for a while why our shadowpriest has such low damage compared to other classes considering hes sporting ~1200 shadow damage. Even though CoS is up.

Al'ar: Wow Web Stats
Lurker: Wow Web Stats

For some reason his damage is wildly inconsistent over boss fights, for example on Al'ar he seems very low, but performs ok on Void Reaver. Then in Lurker Below he is again badly out damaged by nearly everyone (despite not dying). But on Leotharas he is for some reason much more on par with everyone else. Any feedback on our shadowpriest would be good since I know nothing about the class.

Leotharas: Wow Web Stats

Thanks

Hello all, I'm wondering if anyone more well-versed in the ways of Elemental Shaman DPS can perhaps pin down an issue we are having with one of our regular raiders. We have 2 regular raiding Elemental Shaman in what I understand is equivalent gear, and one is consistently getting off 50-100% more casts per fight.

Here are WWS links:

Shaman performance last night

Shamans last week

The comparison I am interested in is Kaluthmatal v. Gnurft. Can anyone see anything that might be going on other than simply the # of times they're pushing buttons?

I appreciate any input, and thanks for your time.

Also want to add that your shadow priest never used a single mana potion (!) on any of the three fights that you have linked. All three of the fights that you linked are really excellent fights for a shadow priest to excel provided they keep their dots up, go full DPS (Lurker / Phase 1 Al'ar), and use consumables.

The armory is showing the priest in PvP gear/spec. Make certain he/she isn't coming to the raid with the same spec (hint: if you see silence, then you have a winner).

Yes. It's as simple as that: Gnurft needs to spam lightning bolt more. You'll note that on void reaver he not only had a shadow priest, but a hunter with Ferocious Inspiration whereas Kaluth...didn't. For another point of reference, >here< is an elemental shaman from my guild. He logged out in his PvP gear, but that's pretty much what he wears in PvE. Replace the PvP trinket with the alchemist stone, gloves with t4 gloves, the neck, and maybe the shoulders and you've got it. When I can drag him into Kara, I believe he does about 650-700 DPS. Gnurft is putting out 650 despite being much better geared. Related note: He also got hit by 7 orbs vs Kaluth's 2. Maybe Gnurft has terrible lag. Maybe his computer just can't keep up in raids. Whatever.

Hey,

We scored our first Illidan kill last Saturday,

Illidan Kill

Our raid DPS was quite good, except for our rogues. What are our rogues doinng wrong? I constantly see rogues putting out crazy DPS in almost every encounter. Granted - demon phase is not meelee friendly, but our rogues can never beat our warlocks (all of whom do excellent DPS).

Also, is there some measure to evaluate how the FR tanks are doing?

The priority for FR tanks for p2 seems to be:

1. Avoid eye beams
2. Do not allow the flames to charge.
3. Minimize damage taken.

Whats an acceptable amount of damage for FR tanks to take in p2?

First Kill (actually second kill.. I wasn't in on first): Wow Web Stats
Other misc kills with rogues doing well:
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From looking at your parses.. first off you had really nasty P2 as far as melee are concerned. They got in almost no damage. Either you got bad luck on the eye beams (it happens, it sucks, p2 will be slow, oh well) or your melee are overly cautious. Not that overly cautious is bad.. but melee *can* do good dps in p2 if they don't get screwed on the eye beams. Make sure you have your tanks use a route which allows the melee dps time when eye beams aren't around.
Your guild: WWS Loading...
My guild: Flame of Azzinoth - WWS
Note - that was an "average" P2 with good melee dps time on the first flame, and pretty meh dps time on the second flame

However.. dmg done to Illidan, your rogues are falling well behind:
Your guild: Illidan Stormrage - WWS
My guild: Illidan Stormrage - WWS

Looking at the actual dmg breakdowns at your rogues reveals the problems.
Lasae:
-Mutilate spec.. approx ~90% of his potential dmg with Combat Swords
-Finisher usage could use a bit of work, but overall not terrible FOR ILLIDAN (on fights with less movement, he should have a lot more rupture, and no envenom dmg)
-Time on target is pretty low (even considering not throwing in p2 which skews the numbers)
-Didn't throw at all during P2 (other rogues did ~60)

Slipshadow:
-Your worst, most confused rogue. He used Backstab, Hemorrhage and Sinister Strike all in the same fight. If you have a dagger and are backstabbing, you should NOT have the Hemo talent. If you have Hemo, you should never Sinister Strike. So basically, not only is his spec completely wrong (Has imp backstab and daggers.. but also has Hemo), he is also using not just non-backstab moves, but using SS instead of Hemo. This rogue needs a lot of help. I am surprised someone killing Illidan can be this confused about their own class. While Lasae is a sub-par spec.. it is still a viable PvE spec and he is playing it properly. Slipshadow isn't even a PvP spec, he's a Mutant spec and still playing it wrong.

Aztelin:
-Mostly just needs to up his dps time. Assuming equal gear, he *should* be doing more dps than Lasae due to spec.
-Could improve his finisher uptime, not much rupture dmg.

Note - I didn't check Armory on any of them, just went off of the WWS.

Illidan is generally a bit of a learning curve for melee. Melee can do excellent dps overall due to the length of the fight, however they also have a bit more moving and stuff to do. Once they get good at the fight, your melee should be right up there in the numbers. Generally melee should have higher dmg done to Illidan, casters higher dmg done to Flames. Depending how your Eye Beam luck is in p2, melee may come out ahead or behind. This is of course assuming equally geared, skilled and properly spec'd players of comparable classes. Don't expect your survival hunter or enhancement shaman to put out the top dps.

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I managed to pull top dps, but my dps uptime is TERRIBLE (I blame gargoyles, and silence, and having to fear / banish infernals). We're moving on to Archimonde on Monday. (I've done every fight in the game at this point, but this guild is a little behind on progression, so i get to teach archi.... great)


Wow Web Stats

Tk, 1 shotted all the way through, shy 1 double pull on trash, casual run, off night.

The reason I'm posting is just to get a little feedback on the raid makeup... I'm thinking that it would benefit a LOT with more ranged dps on archi, a few more sp's / locks would most likely have the most synergy and residual benefit for the raid. your input would be helpful, thank you.

My guild has Kara on farm, as well as Bear, Eagle and pretty much Lynx in ZA. We've recently started doing 25mans and downed Maulgar and Gruul. Last night, we started on Mag. So far I'm at or near the top on the dps and damage charts, but am wondering if there's anything else I can do to improve other than get better gear. I use a steady shot macro but wasn't able to use it last night and had to manually weave my shots due to the new hunter bug that locks up auto shot and makes it not fire.

WWS Mag
WWS Gruul

Any suggestions?

I'll offer some insight as far as the Locks go, as thats what I know best.

First things first, Rage and Anetheron are both very caster friendly encounters - for Haematoma to be below 1000 DPS on both of these is pretty damned bad. Looking over the WWS, there is no possible situation ever in any raid for any warlock to cast Soul Fire - he seems to use it once a boss fight. Also Conflag, he shouldn't have a talent point in it let alone be casting it. Immolate is more controversial, he probably would be better off getting 5/5 cataclysm and not casting immolate but its not a huge issue at that gear level. I mean, he even had a shadow priest and got a blood lust and still put up some pretty horrible DPS. The main thing that sticks out to me is his really low average shadow bolt number. I can't see his armory right now, but basically he needs to be saccing a Succubus at all times and only casting his curse (always Doom over agony if hes not casting a utility curse) and Shadow Bolt (plus immolate if he is specced for it).


For Daenex,as affliction he should not ever be casting a damage curse on the main DPS target. In T6 content, there is only room for one affliction lock in a raid and their role is the utility lock - if he wants to play affliction, he has to spec 5/5 shadow embrace/malediction and cast CoS. If he wants to DPS, he needs to go 21/40 - it is far and away the better DPS spec at this level of content. Again I can't see his armory, so can't really say anything about his gear/gem/enchant choices.

I would point both of them in the direction of the Warlock PvE Raiding Compendium thread in the Class Mechanics forum, Arelenda has done an excellent job of keeping it updated with the best information and they could learn a lot just from reading the main post.

WWS - Najentus
Hmm, stupid question. Why don't the curses like CoS/CoE show in my logs? They were applied 100% of the time...

They just don't always show up. You can generally assume that if a warlock's not casting another curse, he's on one or the other.

[e] Looking at your log you can see where you gained Aura of the Crusader, but no spell cast is recorded. It would be nice if it would pick it up all the time. I've seen some parses that have it, and some (most) that don't.

I'm hoping to have some seasoned Al'ar veterans have a look at our first WWS of Al'ar.

Overall strat was to get adds to ~20% in Phase 1, then kill them after he hit Phase 2. Phase 2 adds were tanked by our druids. Had a Rogue/Fury Warrior on adds in Phase 1.

As a rogue, I found the fight a little bit boring (Phase 1), and frustrating (Phase 2). Also, Al'ar doesn't seem to keep combo points between meteors, which makes it hard to keep a good cycle up.

Any rogue-specific help would be great, and I'd love to hear some feedback on the raid DPS and healing as well. If you know of a better/faster way to deal with adds in Phase 2, I'm all ears.

Thanks!

Your rogues dps seems awfully low.

Slipshadow, has 98 backstabs, 29 hemorages, and 4 sinister strikes. I can't fathom a build that has enough points in subtlety to take hemo but still uses backstab...not to mention the sinister strikes. In general, a shadow step build is not going to be raid-optimal.

Lasae is running mutilate and using envenom. Mutilate is sub-optimal raid dps and envenom is never good for dps. Also, Mutilate is probably least-helped by windfury.

Aztelin is using feint 14 times over the course of the fight.

I'm sure there is a lot more that can be discerned by digging deeper, but in general make sure your rogues spec to raid and have read Roguecraft 101

Couple things that I've noticed:

1) Not dropping WF totem.
2) Re-read section 9 regarding gem selection. Everything she has gemmed is using agility or some variant. Fix this.
3) Use some other trinket than an alchemist's stone.
4) Re-read the section about hit rating. Quoting Malan:

Been lurking around these parts for months, and just now deciding to post. I have recently taken over as raid leader for my guild, and we need a lot of work. Our guild is just starting to push towards 25-man content -- we have Karazhan on farm, and Gruul is getting closer to farm status if tonight was any indication. I'm trying to determine how to best improve the raid, and how to do it more quickly than simply learning how to play each class myself and teaching my guild. I've got a pretty good handle on Rogue, Shadow Priest and Shaman (both Ele and Enh) DPS, but the rest eludes me. I have a 70 Resto Shaman who has healed in Karazhan a bunch, so I know Shaman Healing (very general, entry-level raid Shaman Healing). But the rest is all foreign to me and we have no Resto Shaman other than my alt. I'm trying to learn (quickly), but I want to do what I can to help NOW.

Thus, I open the floor to criticism from all sides. Myself included...even though I tend to top the damage meter a lot, I'm sure I have room for improvement. Generally speaking I know my own faults (finish enchanting your gear and re-gemming, you hack!), however, so I'd appreciate a focus on the people that could use the help...like our 378 DPS Hunter (is it more than just using Steady Shot?), 401 DPS Warlock (no clue here) or 368 DPS Mage (less scorch, more fireball). Also, Drquack is a priest who is dedicated to healing...yet he is nearly outhealed by a DPS-ing Shadow Priest constantly. I have no idea how this is possible, let alone happening regularly.

Gruul's Lair 1/17 - We killed Gruul on the next attempt; I forgot to turn the combat log back on after getting some Shards for a Warlock outside. Individual DPS as a whole for this run is pretty damned low, not sure why.
Concerns:
-Drquack is a dedicated healer, and is nearly outhealed by a Shadow Priest on full-time DPS duty (Maevis). No clue what this is because of or how to fix it.
-Dudelebowski at 378 DPS is way too low, seems like he just needs to start using Steady Shot?
-Bobofawang at 368 DPS is also way too low. Less scorch and more fireball, but what else can he do?
-Tahi is similarly low at 401 DPS.
-Littlehero is an alt and I'm not concerned about his output; he doesn't raid much (if ever).

Gruul's Lair 1/22 - This was one of the most agonizing raids I've ever been on. 4 wipes at about 1%. I can't believe we managed to keep everyone sane enough to continue the fights. There's a crazy evasion tanking story with me and one of those wipes, but we died so I won't waste your time.
Concerns:
-Tahi (again). Tinydvm also has poor DPS.
-Something with the healers. I don't know what, but I'm pretty sure that's why we wiped. I'm also pretty sure that the WWS report isn't going to help us with that one.

Gruul's Lair 1/29 - Much better showing by our raid in this one. Deathraiser is the third prot warrior in the raid, we just didn't have a replacement, or we'd have used one of the two DPS warriors for HKM fight.
Concerns:
-Tahi (Warlock), Corbringer (DPS Fury Warrior) and Mekai (Enhancement Shaman) are all pretty low on DPS...
-Talore (Resto Druid) did very little healing during the Gruul kill. The fight went smoothly, so I can't complain, really, but I'm not sure why this was the case (the lack of heals from Talore, not the smoothness ).

General, Unspecific Concerns:
-For all of these WWS reports, Kasandrad (Warlock) is putting out what I have come to expect as "good" DPS (~600). But with the gear he has, I think that he should be challenging me at the top of the charts. I don't know Warlock DPS well enough to put a finger on why this is, or if my expectations are too high...but input would be appreciated.
-Maevis (Shadow Priest) is consistently in the 500-600 range. I've seen her post some absurd numbers, nearing or surpassing 800 DPS on Curator. Is this simply a factor of the damage boost through Evocation, and the fact that we have her absorb the Bolts? Or is there something we can do to boost her damage during other boss fights to match her excellent output on Curator?

I'm not sure if I'm expecting too much, but I get the feeling that everyone in the guild could up their DPS a fair pace from where they are at now. Of the players listed who need "help" (excluding Kasandrad and Maevis), most are quite gear-challenged, and could still use a few pieces out of Karazhan. That being said, they're putting out DPS that (in my mind) is still unacceptable, even considering the level of gear present.

For a comparison-

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The World of Warcraft Armory

(I'm using the BM trinket and Bloodlust Brooch, if they dont' show up properly)

From what the armoury is showing, it looks mainly like a gear issue - incorrect gems, pvp pieces over more appropriate pure pve dps pieces, etc.

You can check out utility curses by going under abilities > debuffs and selecting them. Its not the greatest solution ever (you can't see whos casting them), but it lets you see what they were applied too and how many times.