The WWS is from our first Illidan kill plus the first four bosses of Hyjal. The roster is top notch aside from a few new additions, Jiade(spriest), Zaburi(prot warrior) and Kaelthuss(lock). We were also missing both of our ferals this night. For the most part, our top spots are dominated by hunters and warlocks with the occasonal mage or shaman sneaking up on some fights. IS this how it's supposed to be? I expect mages to be lower, but are hunters/locks supposed to outperform rogues so consistently?
Yes, your WWS is about right for a guild at that level. We have some cases that our WWS is a very similar story to that... melee is low and locks/hunter top the meter... some other fights its the other way around.
Here is a recent gorefiend kill we did for comparison, as its probably the best example of a 'typical' distribution of our dps given the nature of the fight.
The following are two WWS parses from our guild's two nights wipe on Brutallus: Wow Web Stats Wow Web Stats
The DPS is pretty much not up to scratch yet and there's room for improvement. But what I'm most concerned about is the repeated pattern of early tank deaths throughout our three week's tries. Our healer setup is usually:
2 restodruid on burns + tank hots
3 resto shammy chain healing on current tank
2 holy priest spamming ghealing
1 holy pally spamming HL
Some strats we have tried were:
1. Switching from 7 healer 2 spriest setup to 8 healer 1 spriest setup. It seemed though that the extra healer didn't help much on early tank gibs
2. Emphasize on staggering heals so as to avoid heals landing at same time. Nevertheless tanks still comment on having 2-3 seconds no heals window on some occasions
3. Call out stomps and have healers cast-cancel and try to land heals right after stomp. Still stomp + MHOH death combo continued to happen.
I understand that this is pretty much what every guild wiping on Brut is experiencing but would nevertheless like to request for comments on what improvements can be made on the healing side. Some comment on dps would be nice too though . A few specific questions I can think of is:
1. Is there any way to tell from WWS parses whether its "not enough heal spams on tanks" or "heals landing at the wrong time that is causing tank deaths"? Perhaps any statistics we should look at?
2. Does healer composition make a big difference in tank survival in general? We are currently short on holy pallies/priests and often compensates by having shammies MT healing.
3. Any specific decisions Brut-killing guilds have made that turned 2 minutes wipe nights into successive sub-10% enrages leading to first kills?
Sorry for this extremely long post and thanks in advance for any help
1. Is there any way to tell from WWS parses whether its "not enough heal spams on tanks" or "heals landing at the wrong time that is causing tank deaths"? Perhaps any statistics we should look at?
You can manually look through the death log for this kind of info. Select tank, click on the death you want to look at from the list WWS shows of deaths, and look at what heals landed before the tank death. If a bunch of heals land at once then no heals for a period, it's them landing at the wrong time. If you can't find the heals you were expecting in the few seconds prior to death, it's not enough heals on the target.
There are mods (eg grim reaper, recount) that show this kind of info in game in a nice graph form that is easier to read than trawling through a WWS after the fact that I think are well worth using to look at tank deaths.
This was our most recent Brutallus. I feel like my numbers are low for my gear level, but having been Fury for only a couple of weeks, I'm not certain how to critique myself. This was with chaining Haste Potions, using Demonslayers, food, scroll, Recklessness, etc. I expected to be over 2k DPS. What am I doing wrong?
You have way too much hit, but I don't know how you could fix it. You didn't gem for it but maybe there are some items you could switch like for example Illidan ring in favor of ZA chest ring but I really don't know if it's a boost for you. But using DST over Madness of the Betrayer should be an upgrade for you.
Here is our last nights first attempts at Shade and Teron: Wow Web Stats
I am trying to read up as much as I can, but in the meantime can I get a critique on the raid as a whole.
I'm primarily concerned with the healers (specifically priests) in general. To me, it seems like we as a group are not performing as efficiently as we should be, myself included.
DPSwise looks okay on the surface with the exception of the spriest which is surprising given his last guild's experience.
This was our most recent Brutallus. I feel like my numbers are low for my gear level, but having been Fury for only a couple of weeks, I'm not certain how to critique myself. This was with chaining Haste Potions, using Demonslayers, food, scroll, Recklessness, etc. I expected to be over 2k DPS. What am I doing wrong?
I think swapping the Illidan ring for the Gurtogg ring (or the ZA one) would be an upgrade for you, as the other poster said, you could reduce hit somewhat and increase damage.
Your pattern of abilities in the WWS parse looks otherwise ok to me. I did see you were 2 or 3/5 Unbridled Wrath, I assume you arent ever having rage starvation though.
We'd love some Brutallus critiques. This was on our 3rd kill, and we got him 4 seconds before the enrage. Obviously, however, we would have had him an hour or two sooner if we'd been awake (a 9% wipe, 1% wipe, and 2% wipe, all to enrage or a late tank death). We've only killed Illidan 9 times now, so our gear isn't quite as good as many guilds attempting this guy.
Just interested if anyone can comment or provide some criticism about our WWS, this is our first WWS since we reformed about 3 weeks ago. Since reforming we haven't had to use more than 3 attempts to kill Archi, god knows why it took so long.
Anyway, is there anyones performance that isn't up to scratch? Our shadowpriest (kebabguden) has been holy up till the day before this raid so it is likely he doesn't have his rotation down, though I am not sure how his performance was (he got his 2 t6 during this raid).
Other than that, is there anyone that should be doing more or is there anyone that is doing particularly well?
Having some problems with the council fight and I am beginning to suspect our melee is parry gibbing our gar tank. Whats the best way to find out who is getting parried by bosses?
no.....really? I was posting in the WWS thread because I am wondering if there is an easy way to find out who got parried by the boss. So far, the onyl way I have found is to go through the log manually and ctrl+f for "parried" which is very very slow
Yes really...Look at your melee dps and look at their parry %. If it is unusual high you can assume that they stood in front of the boss. Other than that just look for this at Recount as I said.
Having some problems with the council fight and I am beginning to suspect our melee is parry gibbing our gar tank. Whats the best way to find out who is getting parried by bosses?
From the WWS report you can browse the log file and filter it so that it only shows parries.
Bring up the fight you are interested in, and select "Browse log file" from the Browse options. Click the filter button on the right, and it shows the various things you can filter on. Select the mob you're interested in as the Actor, select "Parried" in the Hit filter, and hit the "Apply Filter" button. WWS will show you all the parries involving the mob.
Looking at the amount of tries that evening, I assume, you had:
- Tank deaths
- DPS deaths
There isn't much to flame anyway, your DPS is more than sufficient for a first kill.
Brutallus gained thunderclap once, which I think is impressive work done from your Protection Warrior.
Whoever is on Demoshout debuff duty did not do the good work (Brutallus gained it 5 times, meaning it dropped 4 times, which can lead to tank gibs in the wrong moment).
Since you are a healer as well, Celmos performance was a lot lower compared to Hopesfall, but it might be that he had a totally different assignment.
Seeing as I am a (CoH) priest and not that well informed about shamanhealing I want to know how our healing team can improve. We have recently taken in 2 new shamans. 1 has been running along a bit longer the other has just joined for his first raid, so I am hopefull he will improve once he learns the fights.
From my understanding shamans should be awesome at raidhealing, where are they going wrong? 1 of them is mostly doing as much healing as tank healers or even less.
I have 2 links, 1 from a recent Bloodboil kill (or rather frustrating attempts and kill) and a parse from council. I think at both runs we had 9 healers, mostly because we lacked raidhealing a lot, and instead of replacing the one that was failing RL opted to bring in another healer.
Attorneylock is doing very badly. It looks like he spent far too much time doing nothing - his number of shadowbolts for a ~8 minute fight is awfully low. Also, he's gone down the affliction tree with demonology - he'd probably get better results with going down the destro tree. Not to mention he's got mostly pvp gear that's gemmed badly (more +hit please!) and unenchanted. He's also never using Amp Curse on his CoDoom.
Arlant should be doing better. For a start he should spec 21/40 as being destro without Sacrifice is a bit weird. His gear is decent and he seems to know what he's doing there, except for some unenchanted stuff and two suboptimal trinkets. Hard to pick out exactly where he's going wrong, although he should almost certainly drop Corruption from his rotation. Saccing his succubus will get him closer to 1k dps though, so probably not a whole lot to worry about for him if he respecs properly.
Tlc's gear looks good, apart from too much attempted socket matching and stamina gems. Should gem for more hit. He should drop Corruption as well, not use Drain Life, and spend less time dossing around and more time casting Shadow Bolt :P
In general - all of the warlocks are putting up damage curses, one of them should be putting up CoS at least.
Regarding the hunter - looks like Elliania is doing well, ratio of steady:auta is solid.
Seeing as I am a (CoH) priest and not that well informed about shamanhealing I want to know how our healing team can improve. We have recently taken in 2 new shamans. 1 has been running along a bit longer the other has just joined for his first raid, so I am hopefull he will improve once he learns the fights.
From my understanding shamans should be awesome at raidhealing, where are they going wrong? 1 of them is mostly doing as much healing as tank healers or even less.
Both of your shaman seem fine on Gurtogg. Fear did low healing on the kill because he died at 1 minute into the fight and ankhed or was battle ressed, leaving him completely mana starved for the rest of the fight.
Regarding Council: this fight is a really bad indicator of healing skill if all you're doing is looking at the numbers. Damage is randomly distributed across a large area and healing assignments play a huge part in how much healing you can do. Also, Fear died on this fight, too. However, the only indicator of a good healer is whether their assignments lived, and we can't tell that from the WWS parse very easily.
I also was looking at the Bloodboil-Kill. The distribution of bloodboils seems a bit awkward.
Could indicate, that you still have some movement issues on top of healing the issues.
But it's hard to say whether deaths were responsible for the random bloodboils or if it was the other way around.
Hello, I've been scouting these forums for quite some time, looking for every way to improve myself. So it's basically the old "Long time reader, first time poster" story here. However I've looked over our most recent WWS-logs and have realized that our guild is in serious need of some stepping up, dps-wise.
To get you into our current status, we're a guild that just a couple of weeks ago killed Illidan. We're still having some problems with the fight but that's not our major problem. When I started recording our combatlogs and saw the raw stats after each raid I realized that many in our raids needs to improve alot, considering we're getting more and more with either 2-piece or 4-piece setbonus of tier 6 and are looking to get some solid attempts on Kalecgos soon.
However, since one of our hunters decided to get a new pet and name it "Elektrisk" which is the same name as one of our elemental shamans, the most recent WWS-logs are bugged so I'll link an old one for you.
The whole reason for me to make this post is that I'm worried about our dps-classes not putting out the dps they are able to. Basically any pieces of advice you may suggest for us are throughly appreciated.
We're also having big issues with our tanks not generating enough threat while not being the actual target for Gurtogg Bloodboil, hence the low dps in that particular fight. As for myself I can barely keep VT+SW:P up without jumping far up on Omen until after three felrages.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm not asking for everything, but any kind of pointers would be much appreciated.
06/30/08, 4:10 PM
. A few specific questions I can think of is:
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