Thanks for the input so far, I was indeed most concerned about Fear, he seems to heal the worst of all the shamans we have. These were the only parses I have with him present. What I am wondering if he was mana starved as you say after dying why don't I see him using manapots? or am I reading the parse wrong?
I know he died, but I assumed he was fine manawise since he never seems to use a manapot.


Council is perhaps a bad fight to compare healing but he was assigned on the raid. Since I am standing in the middle healing the priest tank, kicking rogue and earth shocking shaman I throw around a lot of heals on the raid since I can reach most of them. I tried not raidhealing but then the raid seemed to die, but maybe I am sniping their heals. Though that would mean their overhealing should be high.

But if this is what shaman healing looks like I will have to accept it and move on.

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Restore Mana is how mana potions show up in WWS.

Also bear in mind that on the kill three of your healers were targetted for Fel Rage (Cardinaldany, Trili, Goldfire), which boosts their healing for the duration of the debuff.

By the looks of Try 2, where Fear stayed alive for the whole fight, he seems to be doing ok for his gear level.

Hey all,
This was our first night in Hyjal. I've been pushing our officers for a crack at some new content for awhile now and I wanted to do a followup to see how we performed and how we could improve. More specifically I was substantially worried about our Kazrogal attempt, and granted it was our first night I feel like we really lacked the raid dps to drop him before his "soft enrage" type of timer.

Please let me know what you guys see that I can point out to others, or anything you see on my own personal statistics (Joehs).

First night in Hyjal - WWS


Thanks all,
Joey

Joeh:
Take a look at this link.
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Your attempt lasted 6:26. All of your casters could have fit in 3 mana potions (1 min, 3min, 5min) if they potted early, but nobody got 3 and some didn't even use two.

Hello all,

I'm a mage, in a guild who's 4/5 MH, 4/9 BT. Here is a recent parse from Hyjal. Keep in mind that I do not have 4pc T6. Just kind of need to know how you guys think I'm doing, what I can do to improve, along with the other casters.

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So are guild is look to start sunwell and one main factor was that we might not have the gear for brutallus here is a wws from our last teron kill just a few minutes ago we had 24 in the raid just wanted to know what people think.
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Edit : Sorry posted in the wrong thread by accident.

2 shamans and me (maybe this time even another CoH priest since raidhealing sucked that day) on raidhealing and I don't use fast heals unless the person is about to die, probably would use shield > flash heal so others can heal them up while shield holds.

At one of the fights he had about 50-100 hits less than our other shaman, which is a lot I think. As for armory maybe you weren't looking on europe one, but here it is Fear. Edit: Seems he respecced enhance for off-days, so link is kind of useless atm.

Thanks for your feedback, I think I am getting the whole picture better now. I still think he should be doing a lot better.

It's been a while since I've had someone outside of the guild evaluate our DPS, and I would greatly appreciate some input.

Some notables:
Austin - was 0-40-21, changed to frost for Council/Illidan, gear is my basic DPS gear for raiding, SCB is moved out for more DDPS trinkets dependent upon group buffs(used when no SP is present), same as the MH to the Zul'jin MH when enough +hit is maintained
Allander - 3 weeks in the guild
Darkessfls - 1st week in the guild
Andae - 1st week in the guild
Spasmareldo - 1st week in the guild
Taqui - was the "guild afflication" warlock, changed to Destructo and was the imp lock on the fights that we needed an imp on.

I was rotating people in and out of the raid for specific bosses, not based upon raid synergies.

RoS - not clean
Bloodboil - very messy, we use a 2 tank strat, 1 tank died at ~20-25% left on Bloodboil
We were running more healers then normal, a typical night will be 7-8 healers for the full night, with ~9/10 on Council


Here is the Teron WWS:
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Here is the full WWS of the night:
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A little background about my guild: We're a pretty new guild. Our first Gruul downing was last month on the 9th. We're still gearing up a lot of people but gear doesn't exactly equal skill. There is a lot people could be doing to improve their DPS. We're progressing relatively fast but some people just can't keep up. There are some people in particular that could use help more than others, but I'll let you decide who could use the help.

These WWS links are from last week's Gruul and Magtheridon downings. We brought in some people we normally don't bring in (new recruits, undergeared people) in order to gear them up.
Gruul
Magtheridon

These are some from our recent first guild downings of Leotheras and Solarian:
Leotheras
Solarian

Note before someone rips into me about my spec: I decided Felguard raiding spec would provide me with the best DPS without requiring me to respec for everything that isn't Leotheras. I have 2 piece T5 and working on getting the trinket so it's not as squishy as it normally would be. I am happy with my DPS currently and I most likely won't go back to destruction until we start doing T6 content. That said, I think there's always room for improvement so if someone has suggestions to improve my DPS with the Felguard even more, I'm all ears.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated and I will pass it along to the guild.

Judging by the Gruul/Magtherion log, Gantar would be one of those. Using both Backstab and Hemorrhage in the same fight is a sign of a confused rogue. He's also using Eviscerate instead of Rupture and he's not using poisons at all even without a Windfury totem. Worst of all is that he's not using Slice and Dice. He would see a major improvement if you ask him to read Rogue: PvE DPS and he learns the basics.

Being a Hunter (but not BM spec), I believe having a hunter's Hit Rating capped, is universal for any of the Hunter specs (anyone correct me if I'm wrong). Three of your four hunters could use a bit of help with +Hit (Lorn being the exception) with Irnelf and Hoan being a bit less and Gyges at +18 being a very low hit rating, hence alot of misses. Shot rotations look like Auto/Steady for the most part with some Arcane's thrown in. Gyges and Hoan seem to throw in more multishots, which may be clipping some of their Auto shots, something they might want to stay away from.

You might also refer your hunters to review and/or utilize Cheeky's spreadsheet if they are not familiar with it, it is an invaluable tool in my opinion! http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t9816-hu...-_development/

I'm hoping another Hunter with a bit more familiarity with the BM spec can review as well and comment?

Gantar: 120 hit rating
Pinkygnome: 103 hit rating

As combat spec rogues, that's very bad. Have them rip out +AP and +crit gems and socket +hit, and properly enchant their gear. Both don't use Slice'n'Dice, and Gantar doesn't use Adrenaline Rush.

Just a tip to your enhancement shaman Solinthia, he is using a 1.8 speed mace in his offhand which is screwing up his dps. He should be using weapons that are as slow as possible, the 2.5 speed badge fists are two excellent choices and are arguably better than the T6 level weapons (Syphon, rising tide etc)

There is also a multitude of items he could upgrade with badges, but I guess that's just up to him

Since I'd joined this guild I've always thought our DPS was way on the low side, and unfortunately I can't specifically pinpoint areas where people are screwing up because I just don't know. I feel like our warlocks should be doing more DPS, especially since their "rotation" if you could call it that is so simple. Some 4-pc rogues are behind or just barely ahead of those who don't have it, etc. Here's our last 2 Gorefiends:

Week 1:
Gorefiend
Whole Night

Week 2:
Gorefiend 2
Whole Night

I've always thought that as a Shadow Priest I shouldn't be ranked as high as I am, and I'm certainly no gift from God to this game. Do the rest of the DPS suck or am I expecting too much?

After struggling through our first Brutallus kill (6:25) I began questioning the numbers some of our DPS was putting out. We've been killing Kalecgos for ~2 months (summer attrition was a bitch) and short of the bottom warlock and rogue (both in 1pc tier 6 at the time of the kill) the rest of our raid dps is pretty much fully geared. I quickly glanced through individual summaries for the kill but didn't see anything glaring that would cause low dps. Does anyone have any suggestions (short of replacement) for improving some of the personal DPS in raid?

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Your DPS-warrior is confusing me.
According to the log, he got 33 (13.2%) autoswing misses. How is that even possible with 174 hitrating which is way over hitcap?
His weaponskill is supposedly at 350/350, unless he did that in the time inbetween the kill and when I checked the armory.

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Wow, I think that's the longest Teron kill I've ever seen - your guild must be surprisingly good at handling ghosts!

Overall the dps is poor, but that's partly because the fight dragged on so long. You're also bringing one healer more than you should need to. Some comments on what stood out:

Grimvald - did ok, but only cast 125 shadowbolts out of a potential ~150.
Jiminimonka - did more steady-shots than auto-shot - not a hunter expert, but that looks like he's clipping a lot of AS.
Neb - did many more AS than SS - either he's not capable of keeping up a 1:1 rotation or he ran out of mana. If he ran out of mana, he didn't use a mana pot.
Thija - I don't know a whole lot about frost mages but he only used Icy Veins once, so didn't use cold snap to use it again. Also, I don't think that spec's optimal.
Relinquished - a woeful effort at keeping dots up. His dps time was 3:42. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he should have been keeping all dots up for 3 minutes solid - that means we should see 60 ticks for every dot. Instead we see: 42 UA, 36 Corruption, 60 SL, ~40 Immolate. Terrible! Also, it looks like he spent ~160 seconds casting out of a total of 220 or so.

Thanks dragon12

I will give this (much appreciated) feedback to the said players.

I can say we (well I found I was so, might have been the same for others too) were very threat capped for the DPS, trying very hard to not over agro the tank.

Any other things you spot would be great too.

This will really help us to spot these things in the future,, without, hopefully needing to ask for too much help diagnosing again.

Chewurz, your raid’s performance is severely hampered by the fact the fight dragged out for such a long time, making it increasingly hard to put up with the incoming damage, as well as dishing out the required raid DPS to bring him to 0%. Couple that with much more people having to fight ghosts and being taken out of the fight (I count 13 Shadow of Death!) and this fight begins to ask for some frantic healing and that part you must have done heroicly well; to stay alive for over 7 mins is a feat!

What went wrong? Let’s see.

You have 15 DPSers. No problem. But almost all of them are really not doing enough damage for this stage in the dungeon and that IS a problem. Melnia, Relinquished and Eternalshock are below 1000 DPS. I know that the longer the fight, that for some the dps becomes lower and lower, but this normally doesn’t really apply to melee (feral druid) or Affliction ‘lock/Shadow Priest, since they run with their own means to replenish their mana almost into eternity.

Caster DPS being low can in this case can mean two things: bad gear/talent choices or way too little casting done (bad performance). I think it’s the latter mainly. They simply need to cast more spells. To illustrate: you cast 34 Mind Blast, Eternalshock only 15. Why? No mana? Then why did he chuck 0 potions during a 7 mins fight?

Same goes for Amidead and Trofear. 71% and 58% DPS time for a Mage and Elemental Shaman respectively is very poor. Trofear didn’t heal more than once, so what was he doing 40% of the time? He used 0 potions, Amidead 1, Thija 0, etc. Caster DPS on Teron (for you cutting edge) and they don’t use potions…

Start there, tell them all to cast more and that being OOM is not acceptable when you don’t use consumables. And if you aren’t OOM you should be casting your ass off and use the highest DPS spells you got (ie Mind Blast, Arcane Blast for example).

Your DPS is basically (very) low across the board. Less bad are Grimvald (although why did he have a pet out? Sac it for 15% more damage), Beatrixx, Threehorns and Chewurz. You should aim for 22k rDPS to start with (first kills, average 1500 dps with 15 dpsers). Going up to 30k (average 2000 dps) while farming Illidan/having practise runs on Kalecgos. Your rDPS is 17k (average 1133 dps). Long way to go, I would say.

I don’t feel knowledgeable enough to offer critique to other roles than caster DPS. But checking your rogue and enh shammie’s gear I get the impression they have more or less skipped SSC and TK to jump straight into BT with vendor gear. Maybe lack of experience is hampering them? Running heroics and Karazhan till you drop does not automaticly make you good at sustained DPS. Takes a bit of practise on real bosses.

To sum up: I think your healing team did an awesome job keeping you up for so long on this fight, but your raid DPS needs serious improvement if you want to get Teron on farm and in future fights such as Reliquary of Souls.

I see that while I was typing you informed us your tank was generating such low TPS that even 1100 DPS was creating threat issues. Hmm. In that case, your worries start with your tank. Sadly that is not my role and others can no doubt give you much better advice.

I was already having a look on that report yesterday. I think your problem is, melee dps.
Your melee-group only consisting out of 4 melee and assuming that Rogue is the best you have available at the moment, you might need some recruiting.

Build a proper melee group (add a Rogue, subtract the Hunter).
You have a Feral and Warriortank, so you could have that group like this.

Feral
Warrior MT
Hunter1
Hunter2
Restoration shaman, dropping GOA.

As you can see in the report the Hunter with support dished out some very nice damage, while the other Hunter did not.
Having the Hunters in that group, will make both do equal / more damage (adding LotP).