Our wipes were spread over a couple causes. First, there was the issue of keeping Fel Raged people alive, while at the same time sustaining the raid. During Transition, the Fel Rage healers couldn't keep up with both the tank and the bloodboil groups. Second, there was the instance of tank death, in which case one of our tanks died in the transition from either Phase 1 to Phase 2, or simply while tanking Gurtogg himself. It begs the main question, how high do you let tanks with acidic wounds stacks before switching them out?
I guess the most helpful response would help with checking whether all of our healers are pulling their weight. There are two main healer checks that we've hit so far, but we've stumbled through Naj'entus and now we can't seem to push through this boss.
It would be nice if we could also get some critiques on our DPS; we seemed to be running very low on the meters that night.
Tell your paladins that if they try and Flash of Light the Fel Raged target again, you will gkick them. If they argue, explain that throwing a 2k heal on someone with 30k Health who is taking 10k swings and occasionally get's a Mortal Strike debuff is a bit ineffective.
It looks like your bloodboils are spread out erratically, and I cant help but thing that people are getting multiple stack of bloodboil making that ridiculously more dangerousand your raid healing more erratic.
As for keeping the tanks up with Acidic wounds during the Fel Rage, we have 1 resto druids who keeps hots on our 3 tanks and never switches to the fel rage target, so he ussually keeps them topped off nicely.
You should be using amplify magic on pretty much everyone, and it's on no one. It's a big boost to healing on those who are tanking, fel raged, and taking bloodboils.
Do your priests need that mana from the Shadow Priest? Becuase your mages are going OOM and wanding. Obviously yell at aknaten for just not potting or using mana gems or evocate, but Kalar used all of those things and still had to spend time wanding.
The thing that's killing you on the transition is the Fel Geyser. Everytime he Fel Rages, his target gets hit with the AOE Fel Geyser. Now, if thats hitting alot of people, it's ridiculously dangerous. Over the course of your night, Fel Geyser happened 49 times. It had 518 recorded hits. It's hitting 10 people per Fel Rage. That's absolutely ridiculous. Your going to have to space better. Spreading better before the fel rage should make that far less dangerous.
Kawanda > me. Simple as that. I apologize for my lack of specificity in my previous post. I threw it up right after raid ended, and apparently was not thinking straight.
Thank you for your great feedback. I'll see if I can talk to our higher ups and get people on their game. People paying attention doesn't seem to be our strong point.
Pheroz already nailed the issue with transitions, you gotta spread out. Have someone call 10 seconds before the timer and spread the hell out. Then remind everyone to clump back up after fel geyser. If necessary mark one or both bloodboil healers (I'm assuming the two CoH priests based on % done) and tell people to stand on them except during the 10 seconds up to fel geyser.
Wow Web Stats is what our kill this week looked like. Doriane and Bananarchy were BB healers, Kitsu was hoting the tanks during phase 1 plus spotting on BB groups and then on phase 2 all she did was keep tanks alive. Everyone else was on tanks during phase 1 and fel rage on phase 2.
If people are claiming they had to make a choice between sustaining the raid and fel rage dying they either didn't get an assignment or were ignoring it. Neither is going to kill this boss, you absolutely must have strict assignments and the healers must follow them, they do not have the GCDs to divide attention.
For starters, it looks like you're only using two tanks. That can be fairly risky at times, and makes the amount of damage they're taking from acidic wounds really high. I'd also recommend having your warrior tank it first over the druid, since its' a lot easier for the druid to build up aggro when not tanking.
It also looks like your bloodboil rotation is all messed up. Ideally you should have 10 players that have taken exactly the same amount of bloodboil ticks, but instead you have one group that's taken up to 15 applications, another that's taken 10, and then it peters out from there. If you're missing bloodboil rotations, it can really cause the whole thing to go to hell.
It also appears that you're taking a lot of damage from fel geyser, which means that everyone needs to spread out more. You took a total of 80 hits from fel geyser over try #10 (your best try) and had 7 fel rages; this means that on average, 11 people got hit by a fel geyser at a time. That's a huge amount of damage to try and deal with, and it's completely unnecessary; spread out after taking the 5th bloodboil. This will help deal with cleaves as well.
Sorry; I was too slow on this. As an ETA, on average we take about 3 hits per fel geyser. That's good but not great, but it's much better than yours.
It also doesn't look like your bloodboil groups are actual groups. Your CoH priests should absolutely own on this and no one should be close. You can make this happen by making the 5 people that take bloodboils all in the same group. Group synergy isn't as important here. We typically have the tank group and healer group sit out, with the healer group being the group to run behind for bloodboils. We then have the two ranged and melee groups run in and out, with the melee group being the group that takes the 3rd bloodboil (so they have to run the least). We usually stick resto druids in with one of the two ranged groups so that they can heal and move, while the priests/paladins/shamans can stand still and heal.
Our guild is fairly new and we still have people settling into their optimum specs/performance. Below are our WWS logs for the T5 content we did last week. We would appreciate some constructive critiscism, as we know there is likely to be room for improvement.
I'm concerned about my DPS on brut (shadecast, spriest). My stats were (have since replaced a few items, got third piece of T6 etc... so ignore armory atm, not to mention I'm wearing my PvP helm atm rather than my PvE one): 1249 +dmg, 91 +haste unbuffed, 2p T6.
I only managed 1331dps over the course of the fight.... a record for me... but I was still hoping to go >1400. Anything that stands out as issue would be appreciated.
I was in a soaker group, so I did have to hold back my SWD casts at times to ensure I lived through the third hit (~6.4k) of meteor slash.
For your mages:
Tardd needs to learn what spell hit is. If he's going to raid as fire, he needs to get to 167 (or whatever the fire cap is) asap. This is pretty easy for him. Tell him to go farm scryer rep and replace his [Ancient Crystal Talisman] with a [Scryer's Bloodgem]. Then have him put a [Great Dawnstone] in the empty slot in his pants. Also, make him go get relevant enchants for his gear slots (many of which are unenchanted).
Also, let your mages know that Blizzard has no place in the Morrogrim Tidewalker fight. Arcane Explosion on the Murlocs or bust.
In general: Wow Web Stats <- There is too large a disparity in mana pot usage. Tell the people at the bottom of the chart (or worse, those mana users not on the chart at all) not to be so stingy. (Be aware Ryakun also used 5 Rejuv pots, so his numbers aren't as bad as they seem).
Void Reaver: WWS Loading... <- Nobody should be getting hit by Arcane Orbs this much. Ever. If they don't understand the fight, explain it to them. If they still eat orbs, replace them. Take a look at Wow Web Stats . While we still eat too many orbs, you can see that our melee aren't eating them (I don't know why yours are) and our mages (who are generally willing to be more mobile than the healers) only eat 1 each.
Lurker: Wow Web Stats <- Tell anybody whose name shows up here that they need to learn to stay out of the spout.
Leotheras: Wow Web Stats <- Your healers and rogues are not getting away from the Whirlwinds. They need to be moving away before the Whirlwind starts, not after.
My suggestion is this: Be Imba! - the online Character Auditor for World of Warcraft <- Go here and run the names of your raiders through. Don't take the results as gospel (it still has some kinks) but look harder into any area it identifies as a problem.
Get your casters into solid specs with good itemization (this includes enchants and gems). You've got 8 full-time casters in the VR log and only 2 of them are breaking 900 dps. The rest need to start pulling their weight.
I'm not so good with melee/tanks/healers so maybe someone else can help you with them. Feel free to contact me in-game (as I am also on Arygos) if you need more assistance.
In addition to this, on the first WWS parse I got 1 bloodlust throughout the entire fight, on the second parse I got 3 or maybe 4 bloodlusts throughout the entire fight. Even worse is that I have aquired two considerable upgrades since the first parse.
Mantle of the Golden Forest instead of Shoulderpads of the Stranger
T6 Belt instead of Belt of the Silent Path
Raid setup is pretty much the same as far as i'm aware, any ideas? I'm baffled.
Raid setup is pretty much the same as far as i'm aware, any ideas? I'm baffled.
I'm no shaman expert but your crits are way down. The significant differences I see are the lack of a druid for Leader of the Pack and that you swapped out a weapon with Mongoose on it for the [Syphon of the Nathrezim] with Executioner. What weapon did you have before?
Yeah, I forgot about the Feral actually. I put executioner on my mainhand which explains the lack of mongoose procs, but it's supposed to be as good as if not better than mongoose with the ArP I have right now.
It looks like you lost a slight amount of hit as well, but that might be just statistical error.
My suspicion is that armor pen on Brutallus fully raid-debuffed isn't actually that hot, and that executioner isn't as good as mongoose. Between that and the crits, I suspect that would explain things. You actually got 160 more attacks in the same time, but did 150 less damage per attack on average.
You also let your elixir run out.
But yeah, the 6% crit rate is almost certainly the big one.
We pretty much worked out the reason for his DPS loss was a bit of RNG, no imp hunters mark and the fact that his searing totem was out of range. Well he put one down as he ran in but when he was at the far edge of the hit box his searing totem wasn't hitting Brutallus.
I was looking for feedback for the Hyjal 3/5 night we had. 2nd time downing Aenetheron, 1st time downing Kaz'rogal.
Particularly looking at feedback for Mages, Locks and Hunters.
Thanks
This is all based on your Kaz'rogal kill.
I can't really comment on your Mages or Hunters, but from the looks of it, your lock has some wasted DPS time. Assuming he's letting his Immolate and Corruption tick fully before casting it again, he's losing 15 Shadow Bolts and 6918 mana (not taking lag or movement into consideration). His gear and spec do not support fire spells, and with the lack of a fire Mage in the group, it's even more of a waste.
He only used 1 mana potion the entire Kaz'rogal fight even though the CD was up. Pot early and use it when it's available. Your healers will thank you.
He puts 3 points into Unholy Power when his pet is doing absolutely no DPS. He would benefit from putting 2 of those points into Fel Stamina for an extra 2% stamina and putting the other somewhere else (I put my extra point in Improved Imp).
Lucifern choices seem a bit better minus the trinket thing.
Was hoping to get a little feedback from our Najentus through Bloodboil clear tonight. This is the first time we've one shot all 5 bosses to set us up perfectly for the rest of the week. We are currently 7/9 BT and are going to be taking stabs at Council and hopefully Illidan and the raid group will probably look very similar to this one.
Was hoping to get a little feedback from our Najentus through Bloodboil clear tonight. This is the first time we've one shot all 5 bosses to set us up perfectly for the rest of the week. We are currently 7/9 BT and are going to be taking stabs at Council and hopefully Illidan and the raid group will probably look very similar to this one.
Just a few comments on your tankadin. I would recommend he respecs for Ardent Defender. As an MT, the talent would give him the few seconds of 'oh shit' that Last Stand and Shield Wall do for a warrior. He should really also max out Precision for greater threat. Both of those are better talents overall for a tank than Pursuit of Justice / Improved Seal of the Crusader / Reckoning.
He's producing decent threat on Teron, which isn't something pallies usually excel at (link: Anonymous Player produced 1156 tps ). However, he could do a bit more yet. Avenging Wrath has a three minute cooldown, so he could have used it twice. He could also stack up Seal of Vengeance and/or judge Vengeance as well as his SoR use. He's also not using Exorcism much there. If he's running OOM (I doubt it) he should be potting. I'd also recommend on that fight he uses Devotion Aura. Retribution Aura doesn't give enough threat to counter the reduced mitigation the armor would give. I'm not sure he's using his threat trinkets there either?
In terms of consumables, he's flasking for threat, which is fine. Only 3 'well fed' and only 2 wizard oils showing.
We're approximately early-T6-late-T5 geared (3/5 MH, 4/9 BT), and have just started our bear runs; six runs, four of which were successful (the unsuccessful ones were due to a foolish mistake on my part on one and the eagle boss spending a long time without creating the lightning cloud on the other). The successful runs are as follows:
All of these were close; the first run (our very first serious attempt, even!) had the most leeway, with three minutes reported remaining on the clock, others had gone down to being in the final minute of the run.
All's well for these, but we've just lost our healing shaman from the guild, and I'm not sure there's a direct replacement available. Losing the healer is bad enough, but losing the heroism might be crippling our runs. Are there any ways we could get a bit extra performance out of this approximate group? Also, in the absence of a replacement shaman, any suggestions on what to take as the second healer? I'm leaning towards a second paladin so people can go with an extra blessing, but I'm worried about being reliant on a single-target healer (given that Elwin is generally our spirit priest and so doesn't have Circle of Healing).
I was looking for feedback for the Hyjal 3/5 night we had. 2nd time downing Aenetheron, 1st time downing Kaz'rogal.
Particularly looking at feedback for Mages, Locks and Hunters.
Thanks
Hunters:
Kickin - He seems to know how to spec BM (though if he goes survival, as his current armory seems to indicate, he should probably go 0/20/41 at his gear level. Also, 7/20/34 is preferable to 5/20/36 unless his mana situations is just awful). His choice of gear and enchantments is acceptable (although he should use assault to bracers, not 4 stats, even as survival), but he is currently well over the hit cap, presumably because he has not taken surefooted into account since switching over from BM. He needs +6% to be hit capped with surefooted, not the usual +9%. He should stick to using fel mana potions instead of super mana/mana injectors, as the mana gain is superior with no setback for a hunter. For early attempts on Kaz'rogal I highly recommend Dark/Demonic Runes for all hunters as well, they can be a life-saver.
For the other two - There is no reason to be marksmanship spec for progression content, especially on a fight that relies so heavily on mana management. There is no excuse for steady shot being anything less than your second-most-used shot as a BM hunter, and subsequently having your pet do more than 40% of your total dps. I really don't know where to start or end with them... looks like Simple has not trained his pet with a focus dump skill, as an example.
Kickin obviously reads BRK's site, as evidenced by his pet name; have him make these two read through the spec, gear, pet choice/skills, and shot rotation guides found there if they find other sites boring or unapproachable, it is generally solid information. They need a lot of help with their specs if the information the WWS log provides is accurate; they are currently in their pvp gear, but I'm going to assume they don't quite have their act together in that regard either.
They are a hindrance to your raid, not a help, until they improve. Even on a fight where a small mana pool can cause problems, there is no good excuse for their abysmal numbers.
We're a guild that's currently 5/5, 9/9 and haven't had much time spent on Kalecgos due to some RL schedule changes of our core raiders, we cleared 8/9 in 4 hours last night, which was our fastest clear to date, due to 2 unlucky attempts on Bloodboil, we might have had a full clear in under 4 hours.
What I'm asking for, I need some help on figuring out how to improve the DPS of some of our raiders, for the most part they're doing pretty well, but I'd really like to improve our DPS prior to use hitting a brick wall when we reach Brutallus.
Kynnigos is new, first raid with us
Sunnyj is new, first raid with us(damn good gear, the Armory...we're on an RP realm, funky chest and helm for RP)
Fugms took a year off, gearing up
Corine...I need some help here, I know that she needs a new MH, a new robe(next in line for T6), and a new helm(T4!)
We're a guild that's currently 5/5, 9/9 and haven't had much time spent on Kalecgos due to some RL schedule changes of our core raiders, we cleared 8/9 in 4 hours last night, which was our fastest clear to date, due to 2 unlucky attempts on Bloodboil, we might have had a full clear in under 4 hours.
What I'm asking for, I need some help on figuring out how to improve the DPS of some of our raiders, for the most part they're doing pretty well, but I'd really like to improve our DPS prior to use hitting a brick wall when we reach Brutallus.
Kynnigos is new, first raid with us
Sunnyj is new, first raid with us(damn good gear, the Armory...we're on an RP realm, funky chest and helm for RP)
Fugms took a year off, gearing up
Corine...I need some help here, I know that she needs a new MH, a new robe(next in line for T6), and a new helm(T4!)
I can really only comment on the rogues.
Hirono generally isn't geared badly, strange to overcap hit rating. The only real upgrade I can see outside of raids is getting the badge ring which would definitely be an upgrade over Ring of Lethality. Rotation looks generally all right, obviously topped the DPS on gorefiend so isn't doing anything drastically incorrectly, has let SnD slip off a few times which could be worked on.
Fugms on the other hand, I know you said he is gearing up but has still made some poor gear choices. That neck is terribad in comparison to the DPS neck from SSO exalted. Legs and ring are both upgradeable via badges. Trinkets are upgradable in HC MGT and via the Ashtongue exalted vendor. It doesn't seem to me that he has done much in the way of theorycrafting and certainly hasn't used a spreadsheet. Absolutely no idea why I see an "ambush" on his WWS, is he switching to a dagger to ambush then switching back?
No idea. Either way, get fugms to read one of the threads here on EJ, for someone you are gearing up, you would have thought they would put a little more effort into maximising their performance.
Seems that Darknessfls hardly ever uses Shadow Word : Death, even on safe fights like Supremus phase 1. Maybe he/she was threat capped. I noticed a lot of shadowpriests hardly ever use this ability, out of paranoia I guess.
08/26/08, 5:49 AM
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