We announce the waves, but we still have some people attending Sarth 2D/3D for the first time, so that is something we will work on.
I will announce the Elitist Jerks class forums again on our website, but since we're a German guild not all of our players speak English - at least not good enough to understand the sometimes quite difficult posts.
Concerning the 5 healer setup: we didn't have much choice on that particular day. We have some holy paladins and we would have gone with at least six healers. So maybe for further hints take a look at the first half of the ID (see above) rather than at the Sarth fight. The general question would be: do you see anything really obvious people should change immediately. Like the lacking of prayer of mending you talked about.
Thanks!!
Edit: Arghs, now I got an infraction for "begging for help" - sorry for that! I thought this thread is the right one for WWS analysis
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Something strange was happening in the combat log last night on Malygos. For some reason, Prayer of Spirit seems to have been refreshing itself at random. In a little over an hour, the log recorded Prayer of Spirit being applied roughly 700 times. I wasn't paying attention to it at the time, so I don't know if it was actually refreshing, or if it was just a log error. And if it was refreshing, I'm really curious why. Though I wouldn't put it past this particular priest to sit there rebuffing us mid-fight, casting a group buff on one person at a time seems beyond her abilities.
We've been working on Sarth3D for 2 weeks now (4th night total). We had our best attempt (#13) tonight where we had Shadron at about 45% when Vesperon landed. We managed to kill Shadron but the DPS all died somewhere between killing the acolytes in the portals and twilight torment, afterwards. I suggested bringing 6 healers instead of 7 for the next night of attempts, and a few of the better DPS (had 2 of our top DPS missing) and it should be a kill, any other suggestions or analysis of what we're doing wrong here?
It's pretty obvious from your WWS that your dps needs lots of work and your tanks and healers are carrying the fight. That's a good thing because it's easily corrected: good dps is easier to find than good healers and good tanks. I'd start by sitting anyone doing less than 3k and pulling in some people who can dodge void zones and flame waves without turning their dps to shit. You'll be able to drop that 7th healer for another good dps, and killing tenebron before the 2nd wave of whelps will become much easier to handle.
Though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable; I simply am not there.
My Guild (10-man) is going to soon be trying Sarth3D, but we're slightly unsure on our DPS numbers. Could someone please take a look at our recent Patchwerk kill. I feel that we should have increased numbers throughout some of our members. Any help or hints could be appreciated.
My Guild (10-man) is going to soon be trying Sarth3D, but we're slightly unsure on our DPS numbers. Could someone please take a look at our recent Patchwerk kill. I feel that we should have increased numbers throughout some of our members. Any help or hints could be appreciated.
Your elemental shaman's DPS is laughably bad for someone with a fire elemental out
He should check the Theorycrafting Think Tank on this website
In particular:
- He's hitting Chain Lightning way too much
- He should probably be dropping Totem of Wrath for the other casters, it's kind of a toss up if you only have two others, but then again he isn't even hitting 5k with a 600 DPS fire elemental bonus
- He needs to hit the hit cap. 11% miss on lava burst?? oh man
Your elemental shaman's DPS is laughably bad for someone with a fire elemental out
He should check the Theorycrafting Think Tank on this website
In particular:
- He's hitting Chain Lightning way too much
- He should probably be dropping Totem of Wrath for the other casters, it's kind of a toss up if you only have two others, but then again he isn't even hitting 5k with a 600 DPS fire elemental bonus
- He needs to hit the hit cap. 11% miss on lava burst?? oh man
We usually have a Spriest with us. I must foolishly not of replaced my Gear for the +hit accordingly. As for the Chain Lightning, yes I have understood that after recently catching up on some reading. I simply can't believe I did not drop Totem of Wrath, extremely silly. Thanks for pointing that out, this issue is being sorted out immediately.
However, even with my incompetence, there still seems to be a lack of DPS throughout the raid. Could anyone else give some pointers?
Can't see the armory of Pytte but tell him to not waste global cooldowns on fireblast.
You should not ever use fireblast on a bossfight unless there's movement involved or at 1%.
In all honesty I don't think you are ready for sarth3D
We usually have a Spriest with us. I must foolishly not of replaced my Gear for the +hit accordingly. As for the Chain Lightning, yes I have understood that after recently catching up on some reading. I simply can't believe I did not drop Totem of Wrath, extremely silly. Thanks for pointing that out, this issue is being sorted out immediately.
However, even with my incompetence, there still seems to be a lack of DPS throughout the raid. Could anyone else give some pointers?
You should expect 33-5500 dps out of your 3d dpsers at a very minimum to be able to kill tenebron before vesperon's acolyte goes up and your drake tank takes 3 simultaneous 11k breaths. Other than that, it's pretty much impossible to tell how good your tanks or healers are from wws, but having an elemental shaman topping meters is a very, very bad sign for your dps. Time for them to either get some gear, or hit the class mechanics forums here really really hard.
Though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable; I simply am not there.
Thanks for your input guys. I have felt for a while that we aren't doing as much DPS as we should be. I'm quite sure Gear is not the bottleneck in this situation. Thus, everyone will be taking a more in-depth read at their Class Forums. 3300-5500 DPS seems quite logical for us to achieve, those numbers will be worked on. Thanks again.
I'm trying to figure out whether my low dps performance (compared to another mage in the run) is due to skill, spec or gear. My biggest gear weakness is my weapon, I think, but didn't think that would account for an 800 dps deficit (mine was 4526 versus next highest mage being 5386). My rotation is pretty simple: LB, scorch til 5x, ffb, hs-pyro (and reapply scorch as needed). I hit my mana gem, wild magic potion and icy veins when heroism is up. Not sure about timing of combustion, but I try to wait until boss is below 35%.
One question about wws - if I drill down on my toon name it shows that I hit with FFB 27 times. When I look at mage comparison table, it shows I hit 75 times. Is this a bug in WWS or am I reading the first table incorrectly?
- his ffb's hits harder (his trinkets nets him +200 more spelldamage)
- he had a lot more crits -> more hot streak proccs -> more pyros
- he's specced for cold snap -> tripple icy veins.
Ristola is a weird mixture of competence and some errors. Given his equipment and dedication to this game, the DPS numbers are truly truly horrible.
First, he needs to spec into Weapon Mastery. Second, he should spend points on 2hand-specialization. Those actions will help, but the biggest change will have to come through gameplay adjustments.
He performed 18 bloodthirsts in a 3 minute and 14 seconds fight. 2 were dodged, that will be alleviated through weapon mastery. But even then, Bloodthirst is on a 5 second cooldown and since he hasn't specced into instant slams, there is no reason whatsoever to delay a bloodthirst. The same applies to whirlwinds. Tell him to start watching those cooldowns and always hit the abilities when they are up and his DPS will improve dramatically. Once he is comfortable with those main abilities, tell him to start trying instant slams.
I'm trying to figure out whether my low dps performance (compared to another mage in the run) is due to skill, spec or gear. My biggest gear weakness is my weapon, I think, but didn't think that would account for an 800 dps deficit (mine was 4526 versus next highest mage being 5386). My rotation is pretty simple: LB, scorch til 5x, ffb, hs-pyro (and reapply scorch as needed). I hit my mana gem, wild magic potion and icy veins when heroism is up. Not sure about timing of combustion, but I try to wait until boss is below 35%.
One question about wws - if I drill down on my toon name it shows that I hit with FFB 27 times. When I look at mage comparison table, it shows I hit 75 times (based on total dmg/hits, 75 is the correct number. Is this a known bug on WWS or am I reading the first table incorrectly?
Myul's first two comments are right, but speccing for cold snap is dumb, you lose living bomb. I don't think you'd find a single person in the FFB thread to support that tradeoff. Pristin did well despite that bad decision, but it's key to note that he didn't just crit more than you, he got insanely lucky with crits - 66% on his FFB compared to the other two mages at 50% and 52%. That let him pop off 12 more pyros than you and 19 more than the other guy. That's huge.
Also, pretty sure it's better for an FFB mage to pop a pot of speed than a a pot of wild magic.
As a general note, if you're running with a frost mage who isn't asleep or dead, there's no point in keeping up Scorch. Winter's Chill is going to take care of that already. You had a frost mage there but all 3 FFB mages were still scorching.
As far as the WWS question, 75 is the total hits+crits+dot ticks. You had 27 hits, 27 crits, and 21 dot ticks.
As a general note, if you're running with a frost mage who isn't asleep or dead, there's no point in keeping up Scorch. Winter's Chill is going to take care of that already. You had a frost mage there but all 3 FFB mages were still scorching.
Great points. On the scorch comment, for some reason, even though he was almost full frost, AOE didn't spec into winter's chill, so we had to keep scorch up.
I figured I'd post this here as it could prove to be an interesting read for some. We had some disconnects on several bosses in that parse, so some timers didn't go quite as fast as planned. Also worth noting that Nastya, Sindayne, Kaisenn and Ffiery are not usually specc'd dps, they put on off spec dps gear and respecc'd for tonight. We had 2 healers for the first 13 and four healers for the last two. We tried to use the spore buffs for Anubrekhan, but we ended up moving too slow and it expired before we pulled. This should explain the relatively low Loatheb dps.
I have two parses from separate nights.
I feel that as an Spriest I'm not doing perhaps the BEST that I could be, sometimes I am outdmgd by the other Spriests, sometimes I am not. I understand that this could be RNG however if there is anything I'm doing wrong that is noticeable I would like to change it. I'm new to this class, and although I've done research I'm prone to make mistakes. Help would be loved. A message to me, a post on here. Help is help. I appreciate it in advance.
02/17/09, 9:42 AM
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