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You can do both if you want to concentrate.

Technically no, practically yes.

How was mana?

If you don't have the mana to keep up shocking while doing a windfury/goa rotation, then just drop the shocking. I don't know if windfury/goa is a dps increase to windfury/shocks, but in a MT group situation it seems like it would be preferable.

Shocks vs ~90agi for 5 dps classes, added ability to twist in tranq as well.

Gruul first kill for my guild here, we're all really psyched that we killed him. Any comments would be appreciated.

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(BTW I'm Marks specced for this log.. meh, didn't want to pay 50g, honestly didn't expect a kill or anything close :o)

Don't want to sound too negatively, since first of all you killed him and that's what counts.

But, looking at your locks they are really underperforming seeing their gear is generally ok for Gruul. Cillina's gem choices are just very very unwise. Let her get spell hit gems for all yellow sockets and don't waste it on spell crit or stamina. She misses 17% (!!!) of shadow bolts, that is terrible. Get hit capped and get more +damage.

Ignore crit for now, since it's much cheaper and better for DPS to focus on damage and hit. What pet was she using btw? Don't see the damage it did, if she is using Imp then she should really concider speccing away from Demo. It's not like she is a PvPer (no arena teams, almost no lifetime HKs).

Attron has a better spec for his progression level. His DPS is also much higher, but still not nearly high enough for the gear potential. His +hit is also poor (still missing 14% of shadowbolts is just not good enough). He is affliction = ditch the +crit and get +hit. The fight took 8 minutes, yet he has only 81 corruption ticks, meaning his uptime was 50%. This has got to improve drastically.

Shatter damage is also way too high across the board here. Spread out more and stay focused. Cillina got 6 cave ins, this is or bad luck or high latency or not paying enough attention.

I could go on and on, but I think the main things are said. Good luck in your progress.

Rogue, Shadolord
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...7733-8213&a=11

He's a dagger 25/31/5 build who uses sinister strike as his main attack? Does he weapon swap or something? He backstabbed in this fight. Just looking at his gear he could probably double his dps if given a shaman and a respec (1kish)


edit- 20 strength enchant on his mh needs to go
edit#2- He shows no bladeflurry use at all. What's with his 8 feints? Was the OT struggling?

She/he is still using a piece of tier1 and ZHC. To boot, the spec is awful at best. Over 20% arcane spells casted (for some random reason), yet no arcane focus, and zero arcane blast. ~80% fire spells casted, but upkeep of CoE was at a maximum of 2 minutes. Nothing about it makes sense to be perfectly honest.

That's a great one as well. 2 Cold blood and ~4k dmg from poisons > 2%agi 4%sta 5wpnskill 10%dmg on ss/bs (plus no dodges on finishes) and 20% chance to gain 15 energy. And as stated above, what the hell is with the mixing of specials? How did Gruul die again? I'm honestly impressed.

We've had some apps on our raids so have been paying a bit more attention to SWS lately (just because it gives more of a running account of what's happening) and thus have noticed that mages, druids, and shaman actually differ fairly substantially between SWS and WWS.

Mages we figured out eventually it was water elementals: SWS just gives credit for every WE to every frostmage on the raid. (Similar to how it gives credit for the FH to every warlock on Maulgar.)

We haven't figured out why druid (and shaman to a lesser degree) healing can differ so much between the two, however. If anyone has any answers, our healers are curious.

The only think that I can come up with here is that his normal cycle includes arcane blast, but he was trying to stay max range for fireball for some reason. Whatever the reason, 377 dps is very low.

His gear could use a lot of work though. His wand is +healing for one and he is honored with violet eye but not using the rep ring. Arcanist bracers were bad at 60 let alone still using them at 70. He could easily get Bracers of Havoc made or pvp for the bracers. Both of those would be much better than Arcanist.

His gems and enchants could also use alot of work. I am just going to assume that the 24 ap enchant on his gloves came from leveling enchanting, but alot of his other gear is just plain unenchanted.

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We're a guild that hasn't gone past Gruul, mostly because we're always recruiting to have enough for raids. I'm sure some people are downright awful, and I want to be able to tell them so. Ignore Skewed, he's a nonraider. Thanks in advance.

Angernelson, rogue.
Has only deadly poison running. First and enormously glaring- He gets heroism but never windfury totem. Fix this. Without looking at his armory I can tell you he has way too many points in assassination for a Sinister strike build. He appears to be pvp specced. Cold Blood and QR /= pve combat rogue talents. He would benefit greatly from a more generic 19/42 etc build. Also he uses bladefurry only twice the whole fight (could use it 1-2 more times). Unenchanted mh and what appears to be pve gems slotted in his pvp armor which leads me to think he raids in his pvp gear. None of this is helping him.

Coga, rogue.
Doesn't get heroism? Keep your rogues with shaman. Shivs 15 times- waste of energy. Hits ss 15 times yet is only parried twice the whole fight. Either he is incredibly lucky or he was using Sinister Strike for no reason (from behind.) Spec looks ok, has a pitiful and dangerously low amount of hit rating (72?!?!). Has stamina gems in several places for no good reason such as his t4 helm but doesn't use a meta gem that requires blues.

He also Thunderclapped a whopping 41 times ... what? That'd make sense on a 15-20 minute kill -.- You'd think the rogues would at least throw up expose armor if there's no sunder up but .. yeah, Gruul was never afflicted by either of those - color me impressed (though that's not *really* a compliment :/)

I also fail to understand how your druid OT (presumably, since he took the 2nd highest amount of damage) did so little damage - despite his 74% presence (probably an early death, I take it?)

You had no Curse of Shadows, Curse of Weakness, Demo Shout, Demo Roar up. Might wanna look into assigning debuffs next time around.

With your raid setup, you'd probably want to be running CoS/CoE with the warlocks, the MT on TClap duty (since he seems to love it so much) - and make him sunder! - one of the DPS warriors, or the OT druid on demo roar duty. At least shadow vuln and fire vuln stayed up

I think you were just too far away away from Gruul to catch it in your log. Gruul also gained only 4 Growths, so I believe that is the problem. I couldnt see any Demo Shout (or CoW), again leading me to think it's a log range issue.

Your MT took 10 cave-in ticks, which is 10 too many. He has an average Shatter of 2.2k. That's really bad.

Ok your rogues need a lot of work.

Angernelson needs to spec combat potency, at the moment he has quick recovery and cold blood but is using a sinister strike setup. He only had Slice and Dice listed as being used once and I highly doubt he had this on for the whole fight.

Coga did not use slice and dice once, as a combat dagger Rogue. He also used shiv 15 times and sinister strike 5 times, this is totally unnecessary. It says that he used 2 blade flurrys in a 9 minute fight meaning that he missed the opportunity for 2 or 3 more. Same goes for Angernelson!

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My guilds first Hydross kill last night, any comments on anything is appreciated.

What I'd like to point out though were some of my own stats,

Aisey - WWS

I was quite surprised and pleased about one particular thing, if you look under buffs and gains you'll see Water Shield giving me back 3.3k mana during the fight, I found that just awesome for nothing more then 8 seconds/Gcd's.

One thing I've seen looking at other random WWS's is shamans not recasting Water Shield much or in some cases at all for certain fights and in it's current buggy state(can proc off all sorts of non damaging combat pulses, hydross's marks in my WWS example) theirs a lot of different fights where you can really take advantage of the skill.

What makes it easy for me to remember to re-cast it everytime is by using Power Auras which if you don't know what it is it's a mod that you can make pop up graphical images when certain events occur, or in my case Water Shield ticking off. I haven't been able to figure out a way with Power aura's to show me when Earth shield isn't on my target(or who I'm keeping ES'd for that matter) but I've gotten pretty good about remembering it, what I need to work on is getting better on recasting totems, I know sometimes I'm 10-20 seconds late on recasting them.

Our raid leader is consistently number 1 on every single fight that allows for it (rogue).

So i wouldn't say leading a raid should have that much of a negative affect.

On the note of scorch spam I believe one of our mages described it as "idiotic"

Yes it is. He should respec to 10/48/3, group him with a shaman & shadow priest if you can. The fire mage attack cycle is very simple. Get fire vurn 5/5 up, refresh it when needed (any Fire Mage can do this.) Otherwise spam Fireball 'till there's no tomorrow, get a Fireblast in if there's movement or if you can fit it into your attack cycle.

I'm going to risk posting something non-constructive by saying this thread has really turned into something pretty useless. It's pretty much gotten to the point where it's full of people asking for advice that's already been given in the thread. Rogues with ridiculous specs, no hit gear, Enh shamans with 1.5 spd offhands, etc. Now we finally see the bottom of the barrel with a mage who's wearing a T1 BoE bracer that I wouldn't have even worn at 60 on my mage and using a healing wand.

With the advent of armory, it's ridiculously easy to take a look at your guild's gear. Take 15 mins and look your raiders up and see who's doing something stupid. Is it at all possible for people to please stop just posting logs and saying "OGM HALP"? I used to look forward to reading this thread for useful info, and now I just used it last night to get my guild laughing on vent again after a couple stupid wipes.

Sorry guys, it was my guild's log that started that silliness. Honestly, I posted it halfheartedly, because I know for a fact that a few people in my guild carry a lot of other people. The worst part is that I have no way to really bring this kind of stuff to light, because any attempts at serious criticism get beaten down with the "let people play as they like" and "we're casual" attitude. I, too, look at some logs and just laugh, knowing that there is so much more these people could do to be better, but they just don't care enough to do it. Unfortunately, I like many people in my guild more than I dislike the fact that we absolutely carry many people. And hey, even if the only use is raising morale after stupid wipes, at least its worth something.

I have to agree that people need to at least look at their own logs before sharing them.

I have no problem seeing the less progressed logs, after all, I'm from a less progressed guild, but if I can see blatantly obvious problems then I don't need this thread. I'd only post something here if I cant figure out why my guild is underperforming.

I'll give an example:

On our last Gruul attempts, I finally got my ideal melee dps group put together. Enh shammy, dps warrior, 2 rogues and a feral druid. I made sure to tell the shammy to drop windfury and then turned my focus elsewhere. Browsing the logs, it was clear that the rogues had no extra windfury attacks. Since I knew the shaman had dropped the totem for at least some of the pulls (the warrior did have windfury attacks), I figured out the rogues kept their MH weapons poisoned. I was able to figure out what went wrong and yell at my guildmates, pointing out their mistakes, and did it without diluting this thread.

WWS is an awesome tool. The search feature over there is awesome. I love finding logs from a guild that I know is similar in progression to mine, and comparing side by side. This thread is usually great, becuase I can see feedback and get information from people who are further progressed and often just plain more knowledgeable then me. But none of that is a substitute for a little self analysis.

Please people, evaluate yourself first, and then if you still need help, ask for it. Your expected to search before you ask a question. Why would it be any different with a WWS log?