Loktari

First of all I would like to say im a long time reader first time poster. I have a lot of respect for these forums and spend a lot of time reading here. With this I bring my question to the community.

I'm currently the raid leader of my guild and we have 4/6 SSC cleared with Leo remaining. I do my research, and I know pre-patch a warlock tank was normally used to keep his demon form explosion far enough away from the melee so that they are able to continue to dps. I searched around a bit and saw that some guilds have been using a warrior with Fire Reistance to tank Leo in his demon phase. I am a feral druid tank and I have the 100 badges to buy the fire resistance gear but before i commit to buying it, I want to make sure that a druid tank for the demon form would be a viable strategy?

Any input or help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

 

Grub

We just started working on Leo as well. You could definitely tank him with a druid or warrior FR tank, but keep in mind his chaos blasts hit the MT for a few thousand, and also do an AoE. So if you have someone in melee range tanking him, the other melee are going to have an interesting time trying to dps. If its a warlock, its easy enough for the other ranged to just move away.

 

Loktari

Yeah I know pre-patch it had to be a warlock but post patch they reduced the size of the AoE. There was a video someone posted in the SSC boss progression thread of a warrior tanking it while melee stood behind him continuing to dps. So it looked to me like you can still have melee dps while tanking him but this is just guess from what I've seen and read as I've never actually done the fight before.

 

kaib

Didn't they decrease the range of that aoe connected with his nukes? Especially a tauren tank being on max melee range should be no problem at all if the melees stay on max range as well. The aoe should not be more then 5 yards, at least I don't remember that from todays raid. I overnuked like an idiot and while the aoe on me would've hit people in the past, I'm fairly sure it didn't really touch anyone but me.

But we're just being lazy and keep using a warlock, haven't tried switching to a warrior yet. Having shield wall avaible would make the sub 15% phase with a lot of fire debuff stacks considerably easier though. Also while warlocks are surely good at doing aggro, especially if the guy manages to time Curse of Doom properly, a warrior that gets tons of rages and doesn't have to worry about shield block etc generates excellent tps. I can overnuke our warlock with some crits + VE useage, but I doubt I can keep up with a warrior going for max tps.

 

GamingManiac

We had our first Leo kill with a druid tank in partial FR on Sunday, partial bear gear DPSing 85% of the time, then tanking the 15% demon form until the kill. He did perfectly fine, and I imagine a druid would easily be capable of doing this role during the regular demon phases as well. I think he used 2 heroic FR pieces and 2 blastguard pieces, with everything else his normal stuff.

 

soadapop

Yes, the range on the Chaos Blast is significantly decreased, our melee had no problem dpsing during demon phases. Although, our warrior was spotty on rage generation, depending on how many full resists he would take during demon phase. One particular incident, our FR warrior only took 2 debuffs from chaos blast, limiting our dps due to threat generation, warrior / druid should be able to generate more threat than a warlock for the most part.

About druid's tanking, you should be fine with sufficient FR, no different than a warrior in this case.

 

alberico

going to have to agree with this second part; Our warlock throws a curse of doom at the start of each human phase; timed to detonate early in the demon phase. Even when that is completely resisted, searing pain spam is some very monster tps. As a mage on this fight I opt for flamecaps instead of mana gems, and I like to save combustion and trinket timers for demon phases as that's when we can truly unload. While we have yet to try it without a warlock tank (only 1 kill) there's nothing lacking about warlock threat.

 

Louki

Druid Tanking is an option, yet I would still prefer any Warlock to tank him in his Demon phase due to the higher TPS. You can still use any other tank though, when both Melee DPS and your demon tank are standing at max melee range noone execept your tank will be hit by Chaos blast.
A Druid's advantage in holding aggro is by using Lacerate while Leotheras is in his human form while he is whirlwinding, so he will immediately jump back to the tank after the first tick when WW ends.

This doesn't really belong to Loktari's Post, but since the Thread is labeled "Leotheras 2.1 ..." anyway I'll use it for my own problem/question. I hope you haven't got any objections.
When attempting Leotheras yesterday we failed miserably when our Warrior Maintank got an Inner Demon. He was completly unable to kill him before being mindcontrolled, actually he doesn't even got it into the 20% HP Range for execute. His Spec doesn't feature Devastate, might this be a part of the problem? I heard Devastate is some moderate DPS when used with 2 weapons, but I'm not a warrior expert so I like to hear some opinions...
So, how do your tanks deal with this problem? It was really annoying to wipe 3 times in a row due to this.. >_<

 

• Shifft

Windfury + a feral druid in your tank groups will make it easy for them to kill their demons.

 

Kuai

We tried our MT using FR gear for the first time this week and DPS had to slow down because he got no rage from resisting the chaos blasts. Something to look out for and adjust accordingly.

 

• Quigon

Its hard to be a tier 5 2 set bonus demonology warlock for tanking the demon. I'd go as far as to say its impossible to do better than that setup, for a myriad of reasons. Mitigation, snap aggro, range, free resists...
And yes, I did say mitigation and snap aggro... you can figure it out.

 

Vohbo

Does spell reflect work on Inner Demons ? They seemed to do some shadow nuke, though we only tried the boss once. I got an inner demon and just couldn't come even close to killing it, so as soon as he went back to Melee form we obviously wiped horribly. Our healers also have severe problems with theirs, even if they use a bit of "dps" gear.

 

Yaltus

Try to give your pure healers a group with a paladin, and have that paladin throw up Concentration aura during the demon phase. Just stopping the pushback can allow them to spam Wrath/Smite/Lightning Bolt and kill their demon with the extra damage they take from those schools. Also have your other healers throw them cures so they don't have to take time away from dps'ing.

 

PitiChatMignon

As the MT in this fight I use some "dps" gear keeping correct tank stats :
- 450 bloc value for big slams (with the heroic trinket to pop)
- around 1000 attack power unbuffed (400 more than my standard tank setup) + peninsula trinket for another 200 ap.
- 3% hit and 2 or 3% more crit than standard tank.
- a very slow weapon for devastate
I loose around 1500-2000 HP but I can keep crit immunity.

All in all healing the MT in this fight is not a big problem, and with this stuff my aggro is much higher allowing more dps in human phases.

Shaman for WF in the tank group helps a lot with inner demon and to grab aggro after the WW.

As Xaviera let your MT switch in battle stand in demon phase and fill up his rage bar to max.
Slam + sunder x2 or 3 then devastate, and the most important reflect the shadow bolts !
It hits for 2000 and if you are lucky you can reflect 3 shadow bolts during inner demon phase (if you are unlucky he can cast no shadow bolts, and then there is recklessness)

For us the main problem was priest when they had no more trinket to activate, and druids.
Our resto druid cannot kill his demon, never.
How do your druids can kill their demon ? Cat form or wrath ?

 

Raiha

Haven't killed Leo yet but we had a couple of tries the other day and while our resto druids had initial problems, they managed to kill off their demons with concentration aura, earth shield (they don't stack as far as I know but it's an extra possibility to avoid interruption) and some dps consumables/trinkets/etc. They spammed spells, can't tell you what exactly since I don't really know druids that well. Also don't forget you can swap in a dps weapon for that extra oomph during the demon phase.

 

Arnive

Make them get around 500 +dmg and just spam wrath - cat form dps just doesn't seem to work at all.

 

Schneeb

We still use a lock, if we find hes going to split and the warlock still has debuffs we DI him with a paladin with a soulstone.

Don't overcomplicate the fight, he WW's where ranged can nuke (and stop early enough) tanks grab him and dps starts - rinse repeat. On demon a warlock can make way more threat than a warrior can dream of especially with curse of doom.

We had a holy priest fail to kill his demon last night because it resisted his fear (and so interupted his smite badly), the second time he got a demon I BoP'd him to ensure he could cast freely, as a paladin a few holy shocks and an exorcism with a judgement of righteousness should do the trick.

 

Tristanian

Instruct him to use some dps gear, preferably spell damage related, since melee dps leather will gimp his healing ability way more. What I generally do, is swap in 2 rings and a trinket and use the Windhawk Set (the problem here is, not every druid is a tribal leatherworker), switch in a weapon and an offhand during every demon phase, if I get the whisper, pop trinket, moonfire, barkskin, wrath spam until the add dies. I don't use a flask but rather a mageblood potion or major mageblood elixir and an adept's elixir.

The adds have been significantly nerfed hp-wise at least, since the patch hit live, I would go as far as saying they are "too easy" in comparison to what they used to be. You just need to find a good balance of dps/healing gear that will allow you to comfortably be able to deal with a potential demon while maintaining a viable healing/regeneration bonus.

 

Hiba

As a holy priest I have found the best way to kill my Inner Demon is simply spamming smite. No fears, no dot's, no mind blasts. If there's no resists at all, I can kill the demon faster than some locks, hunters or shadow priests. Fearing usually causes more problems than helps, and if unlucky it might cause you to even fail. I have around 5-6% hit, and since hit gears comes with damage inc, I have around 300+ damage.

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Drakul

I prefer the warlock tank over a melee tank simply for the reason that the snap aggro for the warlock is pretty much a non-issue with curse of doom and a couple searing pains.

I'd recommend using a soul-link warlock, I had a rough time keeping up one of our affliction locks yesterday when he gained 5-6 stacks of the debuff. Which in one instance led him to get hit for ~16k or so. Soul-link makes it pretty simple to heal the warlock and the extra 60 resist from his felhunter allows him/her to stack a little more stam gear also. Sometimes you will get unlucky and the debuff will stack decently high, so soul-link really counters this nicely.

Haven't tried it with a melee tank yet, I'd prefer not to though, misses, no rage due to a series of resist and a whole other slew of things that can go sour with a melee tank.

 

Jamor

1) I would say a skilled Warlock tank is a better choice, as you really don't have to worry about positioning at all. Their TPS is pretty massive too.

2) As a tank on this fight, getting a whisper is a pain in the balls, and I had to modify my methods a bit. Although I haven't tried this yet, as I didn't get a demon this week (but I can let you know how it goes), in theory it should work. As soon as he goes to demon form, I pop into zerker stance, and zerker rage -- and start eating chaos blasts to get full rage. I swap my tanking weapon for a slow DPS weapon, and wear the heroic BF trinket with hit and armor reduction. my plan is to SS, stack sunders, double trinket (with Heroic trink as a 2nd), and start devastating, using WW and SS as they pop. If things aren't looking good at the 10 second mark, I am going to pop recklessness and hope for the best. -- also I keep my pot timer for a rage pot.

Barring turnout, I am going to move a shaman into the tank group this week as well, as we lost one tank due to 2 whispers (he used recklessness on the first).

 

Drakul

Our OT has been wearing a mix of tanking gear and dps gear to ensure that he does not get killed by his demon, so if anything, we will always have a tank up regardless if the MT gets mind controlled.

Yes, the OT gets hit for a little bit more but the damage is pretty managable.

Our MT on the otherhand I believe saves up some rage takes one chaos bolt, I believe, and then pops the Auto-Blocker and shield slams away. Seems to work ok, he has gotten mind controlled once or twice, but in really dire situations he will blow reck.

A feral druid if also a very good OT, given that they don't take an immense amount of damage in their dps gear. It's managable for sure.

In regards to putting a shaman in the MT group, I haven't been doing so due to being nervous about the enrage timer, but after the patch it seems really to be a non-issue. We currently have one enhancement and one restoration shaman, and at the moment I don't feel like losing 400 spell damage and about 280dps (Cumulatively) from my rogues.

How would you set up your MT group? Warlock Group?

I'd assume,

Group 1 - MT, OT, Soul-Link Warlock, Imp Warlock, Shaman?

Shaman drops FR totem + windfury?