Best way to Find a Guild Off Server? - Page 7

Mistaya · 09/19/07, 6:16 PM

This kind of hits close to home, since I'm trying to find a good guild off-server at this point. I just keep running into the brick wall of "You must have your Vashj vial."

I keep looking for guilds at or just past Vashj, since that's my level of experience and I'm not really looking to bypass content. I just want to get back into the raid game without falling behind where I was before I took several months off for RL reasons. Coming back and finding out no one runs SSC anymore, but you have to to key to Illidan was a shock. It's like needing to kill Rags to get into Ahn'Quiraj. That aside, I'm just not seeing a lot of guilds in the recruitment forum that are still going to kill Vashj unless they are only 1-2 into SSC. I don't want to relearn Leotheras... All the guilds I see on Kael are either PVE server or raid at times I can't make, or raid 6 days a week which is just too much.

Maybe I'm being too picky?

PsiVen · 09/20/07, 6:19 PM

I don't know how helpful this would be for you, but the Vashj vial requirement can be overcome if the guild you're looking into has a few applicants in the same predicament. Depending on the phrasing in the application process you might want to send in for it anyway. "Vashj vial" at the bottom of a requirements section is more likely to be flexible than "If you don't meet our requirements exactly you might as well drown in a sack of kittens" at the header.

Guilds that killed Kael in the past month would probably not mind too much either, and as long as they don't disband, any guild capable of doing Kael will probably be farming Illidan by the end of the year.

Kamikazeoi · 09/25/07, 1:17 PM

Personally, when I started looking for a guild a few weeks ago, I looked mainly at the Guild Recruitment forums. Then I started looking through the progression threads on each of the realms on my Battlegroup (Whirlwind) and making a list of all the alliance guilds that were either just starting BT/Hyjal or were well into it . I felt that I should also look into guilds in my battlegroup as I've experienced most of the top guilds in PvP/Arena, had many friends on some of the servers in it and was kind iffy on xfering to a realm on where I don't know anyone in the battlegroup at all. My previous guild was stuck on Kael for 6+ weeks so I didn't want to transfer into another guild like that, so that narrowed the list down quite a bit.

Luckily for me, one of my good friends transfered off the server I was on after our previous guild broke up and joined Casual on Hyjal. Fortunately for me, one of their warlocks emo'd out and ebayed after being beaten by a feral druid in shadow resist gear during a duel...so I saw their post on the guild recruitment forums when I was talking to my friend in that guild and he asked me to apply. I sent in an application and was accepted within a few hours. Myself and a few other applicants were taken through TK so we could get the item off Kael for attunement and then we did SSC so a few others could get that item. Since then recruitment was changed to BT/Hyjal attuned players, so I got in at the perfect time.

Wowjitsu was damn helpful as I could easily check out guilds rankings. gear level and the progress each has made.

Just make sure to put some time into research on the guild & server before you transfer over as you're pretty much screwed for 3 months if they're the only progressed guild and you don't fit in at all.

Zifna · 09/26/07, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Mistaya

This kind of hits close to home, since I'm trying to find a good guild off-server at this point. I just keep running into the brick wall of "You must have your Vashj vial."

I keep looking for guilds at or just past Vashj, since that's my level of experience and I'm not really looking to bypass content. I just want to get back into the raid game without falling behind where I was before I took several months off for RL reasons. Coming back and finding out no one runs SSC anymore, but you have to to key to Illidan was a shock. It's like needing to kill Rags to get into Ahn'Quiraj. That aside, I'm just not seeing a lot of guilds in the recruitment forum that are still going to kill Vashj unless they are only 1-2 into SSC. I don't want to relearn Leotheras... All the guilds I see on Kael are either PVE server or raid at times I can't make, or raid 6 days a week which is just too much.

Maybe I'm being too picky?

You could also try looking for guilds that aren't actively recruiting. That is, look for guilds that look decent, on servers that look decent in terms of population/timezone, and go toss up a few apps. There's a decent chance they might consider picking you up even if they aren't actively recruiting... Or that they are actively recruiting but never thought a cross-server app would be interested in them so they haven't been advertising recruitment in places you'd see it.

afhouston · 11/04/07, 1:28 AM

I have to disagree with the "GM must be online 30min before raids".

I'm generally on a bank alt sorting out raid materials at that time.

I've wondered how people transferring with multiple players find a guild. We've taken group transfers in the past - but its always tricky integrating them into the guild.

If the host guild has 5 raid slots for you - it usually means the host guild is on the verge of breaking up because it's been canceling raids for a while. Usually a guild will have maybe 2-3 active slots open but other people that come along with you will be sitting out initially.

It's very helpful to have a WWS report these days when applying. For example, I received a group app with 3 people. I can use one of them immediately, but I have enough of the other 2 classes. Yes, I could use another exceptional rogue or mage, but the gear isn't outstanding and I wouldn't expect it to be. A WWS report would let me know how effectively they play their characters. Instead I have to take a guess and compare them to the mages and rogues I have currently.

In all likelihood, the honest thing to do would be to decline this group. I could take 3 of them on, but who pays $25 to transfer and sit out on raids?

Icywind · 11/04/07, 3:06 AM

This is a little bit off-topic, but sometimes I wonder what effects the server transfers will have on the overall population balance for many of the WoW servers in the long run. Currently, it seems that server transfers are creating a slow but steady population shift from the low population, poorly organized "have not" servers to the high population, well progressed "have" servers. Reasons for this could include slow PvE content releases and problems with bosses like Kael'thas (which create guild volatility), glorification of BG9 for PvP, Blizzard's apparent apathy for the difficulties of finding groups and achieving PvE progression on small servers, and ranking tools such as WoWJutsu Realm Rankings which provide a way to quantify the "best" servers in WoW. So what happens when the "have" servers become overpopulated with transfers and the "have not" servers become more and more empty? Is Blizzard willing to possibly give up some of its gaudy $25-per-transfer profits to do something about it?

Also, I wonder if the number of character transfers is clearly noticeable for residents of servers like Tichondrius, Mal'Ganis, Korgath, etc, which are probably among the most common destinations. Any thoughts?

afhouston · 11/04/07, 3:22 AM

Originally Posted by Icywind

This is a little bit off-topic, but sometimes I wonder what effects the server transfers will have on the overall population balance for many of the WoW servers in the long run. Currently, it seems that server transfers are creating a slow but steady population shift from the low population, poorly organized "have not" servers to the high population, well progressed "have" servers. Reasons for this could include slow PvE content releases and problems with bosses like Kael'thas (which create guild volatility), glorification of BG9 for PvP, Blizzard's apparent apathy for the difficulties of finding groups and achieving PvE progression on small servers, and ranking tools such as WoWJutsu Realm Rankings which provide a way to quantify the "best" servers in WoW. So what happens when the "have" servers become overpopulated with transfers and the "have not" servers become more and more empty? Is Blizzard willing to possibly give up some of its gaudy $25-per-transfer profits to do something about it?

Also, I wonder if the number of character transfers is clearly noticeable for residents of servers like Tichondrius, Mal'Ganis, Korgath, etc, which are probably among the most common destinations. Any thoughts?

I know most of my transfers come from lower population servers because the one "end-game" guild in town didn't have openings and the diversity of players left them few options to progress.

Is it analogous to people from small towns moving to big cities for more opportunities? Maybe.

You have the reverse happen sometimes. Mid-range guilds transfer to a smaller server to become the dominant force there.

On a whole, based on my observations (anecdotal evidence), transfers have had a negative effect on small-population servers.

I don't think there's an issue with overpopulating the high pop servers. We're on a medium population server and applicants seem to find this to be the right fit.