If you pay attention while playing, you can spot at what seems to be hints of future content.
When Kael is killed, and the Verdant Sphere turned inm this message plays
-Silence descends upon Shattrath
-A'dal's thoughts invade your mind
-Kael'thas Sunstrider has been defeated by $N and (his/her) allies
-The time to strike at the remaining blood elves of Tempest Keep is now.
-Take arms and let A'dal's song of battle empower you!
-Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: Your monkeys failed to finish the job, naaru! Beaten but alive... The same mistake was not made when we took command of your vessel.
-Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: All for what? Trinkets? You are too late. The preparations have already begun. Soon the master will make his return.
-Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: And there is nothing you or that fool, Illidan, can do to stop me! You have both served me in your own right - unwittingly.
Scryer NPC in Netherstorm, Magister Theledorn, says Kael has entered into an Alliance with the Burning Legion, turned his back on Illidan etc.
"As you may have noticed, there are servants of the Burning Legion all over Manaforge Ara. Kael'thas has entered an alliance with the Burning Legion. He must've caught wind of Illidan's descent into insanity and switched paymasters accordingly. "
Is this Sargeras they're referring to? Shrug, this could be unrelated, and "the master" is a rather common term of fealty, but...
While doing Netherwing quests in Shadowmoon, you may notice a giant Black Dragon land in Dragonmaw, and begin to speak with Overlord Mog'hor, her name is Lady Sinestra.
-Lady Sinestra says: Overlord Mor'ghor, I presume... A pleasure to finally make your acquaintance. I am Lady Sinestra.
-Overlord Mor'ghor says: I will not drag this out any further than it needs, -Lady Sinestra. You have bent my ear, now tell me what it is that you want from the Dragonmaw.
-Lady Sinestra says: You have no doubt heard about Nefarian's failures on Azeroth... While he has fallen, the experiment continues. My master... He continues the work that his progeny began.
-Overlord Mor'ghor says: The... The master? He lives?
-Lady Sinestra nods.
-Lady Sinestra says: You were once a chief lieutenant, Mor'ghor. Your work in Grim Batol is not easily forgotten. Now... We need the eggs that you recovered. The Netherwing eggs. They are, after all, a product of the master. We will pay whatever price that you ask.
-Overlord Mor'ghor stammers.
-Overlord Mor'ghor says: Ye... Yes, yes... Of course. We need only the crystals and ore from this place. There is... We will need mounts.
-Lady Sinestra says: The master will be most pleased with this news. The Black Dragonflight will provide you all that you ask. You will be allowed to ride upon the backs of our drakes as needed. I thank you for your graciousness, Mor'ghor. I must now take my leave.
Now, she makes the same reference to her superior as "the master."They both share a name, Deathwing the Destroyer and Sargeras the Destroyer, although likely just coincidence. Am I just bored at work and seeing mountains in the place of molehills, shrug, I think we will be seeing more of these two in the next round of content.
It's more likely that the Master kael refers to is the current master of the legion... The 2nd general of saregas.. you had Arcimond.. and one more...
Kil'Jaedan or something aint it? Illidan fucked up and failed to kill arthas.. this pissed of kil jaeden thats why illidal hides in outlands... It would seem that Kael's master would be illidan...
Well, in terms of Legion lineup, Kil'Jadean is below Sargeras, although it would likely be we would fight Kil'Jadean, which I didn;t even think of. The second is obviously Deathwing, although the intertwinement of the two is unknown, although could be possible.
While Alexstrasza may be keeping the Demon Soul under lock in Grim Batol, it is very unlikely now she is also holding Neltharion, as he is obviously back "in the game". No pun.
Well, in terms of Legion lineup, Kil'Jadean is below Sargeras, although it would likely be we would fight Kil'Jadean, which I didn;t even think of. The second is obviously Deathwing, although the intertwinement of the two is unknown, although could be possible.
While Alexstrasza may be keeping the Demon Soul under lock in Grim Batol, it is very unlikely now she is also holding Neltharion, as he is obviously back "in the game". No pun.
AFAIK, Neltharion is the one who has (or at least very recently had) Alexstrasza imprisoned - he used her to mother the first dragons of the Black Dragonflight. The Demon Soul, is, I believe, still held by Neltharion too.
Edit: Scratch that, The Demon Soul was destroyed by Rhonin.
Ahh the joys of the caverns of time, they could make us fight nefarian and onyxia all over again if they wanted. Hah, they could even make us fight *with* onyxia and nefarian. The joys of being able to make content where time travel and split story lines are present. Bronze Dragonflight ftw.
The article that mentioned guild banks also talked about future TBC content. Kil'Jaedan was mentioned as a boss for the next big raid dungeon.
It also mentioned that hero classes were dead and would probably never be implemented.
Would you happen to have a link to this article? I read one with a bit of info on guild banks, VOIP, and designing Zul'Aman as a 10-man, but lacking those other bits.
During the Second War, Grim Batol was the center of all refining operations for the Horde's navy. It was also the main base of the Horde's dragon breeding program, where Alexstrasza the Red was kept captive and forced to produce Red Dragons to be used as mounts for Orc Dragonriders. Grim Batol remained in Orc hands long after the collapse of the Horde and the destruction of the Dark Portal, largely due to the power of their dragons. Eventually, thanks to the efforts of a band of unlikely heroes led by the mage Rhonin, Alexstrasza was freed. The Dragon queen immediately set about incinerating every Orc she could find, utterly destroying the power of the Dragonmaw Clan and killing its leader, the Orc Warlock Nekros. Currently, the abandoned ruins of Grim Batol have been turned into a hatchery by the Red Dragons. The ruins of the Orc caravan that tried to escape the fortress can still be seen strewn around the entrance.
His "work" in Grim Batol was likely related to the imprisonment of Alextrasza the Red and the taming of her Dragonflight.
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The article that mentioned guild banks also talked about future TBC content. Kil'Jaedan was mentioned as a boss for the next big raid dungeon.
Yea, gonna need a source for this. I'd say it's too soon to fight someone as powerful as Kil'Jaeden, but given the fact that you fight Archimonde.. I don't know. It would seem pretty silly if you managed to effectively dismember the Burning Legion, the great evil force of the universe.
However, I agree with the assessment that Kael is referring to Kil'Jaeden as his master and that Deathwing is the other master, although the Black Dragonflight and Burning Legion are probably allied.... but I can see a Deathwing instance being added before a Kil'Jaeden one.
Sargeras is dead for all intents and purposes. I don't personally think we'll <ever> fight him.
Dead? Nah... he's been banished to the Nether or something, but I can see his revival being a plot point in a future expansion, namely the Maelstrom one whenever that comes out. Will we fight him? Maybe in a nascent form, like C'Thun..
Grim Batol ?
The red dragonflight stronghold in Wetlands... it's on Blizzard's agenda, I guess.
Oh dear lord, I hope not.
It's been more or less confirmed that ZA will be 10-man, which is fine by me, since I think a casual UBRS-like 10-man is what's lacking in the game atm. However, ZA seems to be a little big to fill that role, so... who knows. In any case, it's not going to be a Tier 7 instance or whatever, I'm sure it'll be less than Tier 5.
But as for Blizzard's actual agenda... it seems like Zul'Aman is the main thing being worked on, and after that... who knows. I'm still looking forward to the Sunwell Plateau being added.
Well, it's canonical that at the very least, Sargeras' mortal coil was shed when Aegwynn defeated his corporeal form. That's why I say that as far as we are concerned, he's dead, although revival isn't out of the question in the grandiose lore sense.
I believe Zul'Aman is not going to be implemented to fit into a UBRS-role. Despite as well as the truth that the game currently misses a *casual* 10man, in my own point of view the majority of the wow population are expecting it to be more-like a Zul'Gurub entertainment: Specifically hard, some attracting values like tokens and a small rewarding faction with "good" prizes(Similar to ZG class sets maybe).
PS: Zul'gurub. By the name of flashbacks i have, the old end-game content was very, very colourful in all terms of fun.
About the main subject; well, does anyone have an idea what the dragon lair in currently un-intended Hyjal is for? I still have some dark theories for Battle of Mount Hyjal and its connection with Infinite Dragonflight. I imagine: Archimonde dies, then an object appears to lead the raid into that lair by giving access into the graphical barrier after the death of Archimonde.
Yea, gonna need a source for this. I'd say it's too soon to fight someone as powerful as Kil'Jaeden, but given the fact that you fight Archimonde.. I don't know. It would seem pretty silly if you managed to effectively dismember the Burning Legion, the great evil force of the universe.
How powerful is Kil'Jaeden? I got the impression from WCIII:TFT that Ner'zhul being freed as the Lich King would be more than an annoyance, it would be an entity he would fear.
I'd expect Kil'Jaeden to die before the Lich King does and don't see a problem with progression going Illidan to Kil'Jaeden to the Lich King
Deathwing continues to produce experimental drakes using his son's research from Azeroth but using the netherdrakes along with both pure stock and what remains of the captured dragons and eggs from BWL. Down the line, many, MANY years in the future, the breeding program ends up being incredibly successful and produces a race of dragons that have within them sides of all Aspects with enough Nether aspect to effectively amplify whichever sides they deem most important. The race as a whole decides that to establish dominance they need to control time and we get: The Infinite Dragonflight.
They are still very obviously corrupted (being the end result of Deathwing and his like), and would have a driving devotion towards achieving dominance for Deathwing and his allies (this could easily tie into Nelth allying with the Burning Legion, seeing how he was partially corrupted by both them and the Old Gods in the War of the Ancients), and would alter the past to achieve those goals. This would also explain why the Bronze flight is having such a hard time tracking them, since they are quite obviously NOT a spawn of a natural Aspect brood.
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How powerful is Kil'Jaeden? I got the impression from WCIII:TFT that Ner'zhul being freed as the Lich King would be more than an annoyance, it would be an entity he would fear.
I'd expect Kil'Jaeden to die before the Lich King does and don't see a problem with progression going Illidan to Kil'Jaeden to the Lich King
Eh, we know that Kil'Jaeden scared the crap out of Illidan but the Lich King / Arthas did not. Of course, Arthas trashed Illidan and the new Lich King is probably more powerful than that, but considering that Kil'Jaeden more or less created the Lich King, I have trouble believing that it'd so easily surpass him just by finding a bishi body to possess.
But really, it's just speculation. People will argue otherwise, and it's not like I can authoritatively dispute these opinions. But to me, Kil'Jaeden is the current de-facto Ruler of the Universe, as the Burning Legion is still the major evil force in the Warcraft universe. But then again, since we're killing Archimonde at full strength... yea, why not Kil'Jaeden, or the Lich King, or some Dragon Aspects, or Old Gods, or Azshara... anything short of Sargeras himself seems game now.
Arthas was weakend when illidan "didnt fear him" basically beeing a shell of his full powered self. I dont recall exactly why he was weakend at that point.. i just remmeber my hero going from lvl 10 or what ever to like lvl 4? or what was it?
Also.. Lichking was created by Kil'Jaeden.. but grow out of his control... (meaning became to powerfull) and in the end.. The lichking managed to bind with Arthas.. become the single strongest entity in the wow universe (atleast in my eyes)
Now the only thing i dont see us fight anytime soon because of the inmens strength they should have...
Arthas was weakened, then he got his strength back. As far as anyone knows, Illidan didn't even know Arthas was growing weaker. In any case, Illidan had the cajones to make two attacks on the Frozen Throne rather than risk pissing off Kil'Jaeden after he gained control of Outland. It's obvious who he was more afraid of.
Also, Kil'Jaeden never controlled the Lich King after he was sent to Azeroth. The Dreadlords did... and the Lich King had them killed off through various means to the point where he gained autonomy once the Legion lost at Hyjal.
The only things which is particularly indicative of the Lich King's strength is the fact that he's surely more powerful than he was when he beat Illidan. Of course, Illidan was beaten several times throughout The Frozen Throne... entangled by Malfurion, captured by Maiev...
Kil'Jaeden is one of the 3 Draenei masters and considered to be the most powerful of the Draenei in terms of raw force of magic. Of the original 3 only 2 were swayed by Sargeras. With Archemond defeated Kil'Jaeden is the last remaining Draenei master alive who is allied with the Legion. The third master is Valen who is the leader of the Draenei who turned down the power of Sargeras and although he was considered the most powerful of the 3 could not stand against the augmented powers of his two former friends.
Kil'Jaeden actually vowed to hunt down and kill Valen himself a long time ago but lost him and failed after the attempt on Draenor which corrupted the orcs. With the presence of the Naaru back on Draenor (Outland) and Illiden living there as well Kil'Jaeden would be incensed by the presence of Valen's minions and would probably love an attempt at recovering the Amatal crystals that Valen stole away from Draenor.
Either way if you're looking for story info the newest WoW novel has some great revelations about the origin of the Horde as well as the origin of the Draenei and the Eredar. The background on the orcish tribes and their leaders is reason enough by itself to take a read.
Eh, we know that Kil'Jaeden scared the crap out of Illidan but the Lich King / Arthas did not. Of course, Arthas trashed Illidan and the new Lich King is probably more powerful than that, but considering that Kil'Jaeden more or less created the Lich King, I have trouble believing that it'd so easily surpass him just by finding a bishi body to possess.
But really, it's just speculation. People will argue otherwise, and it's not like I can authoritatively dispute these opinions. But to me, Kil'Jaeden is the current de-facto Ruler of the Universe, as the Burning Legion is still the major evil force in the Warcraft universe. But then again, since we're killing Archimonde at full strength... yea, why not Kil'Jaeden, or the Lich King, or some Dragon Aspects, or Old Gods, or Azshara... anything short of Sargeras himself seems game now.
imo.
Regarding 'us' killing Archimonde at full strength, maybe Kil'Jaeden has grown stronger and stronger over time?
Either way, the Lich King vs Kil'Jaeden argument is an interesting one to speculate on, so let it continue
Deathwing continues to produce experimental drakes using his son's research from Azeroth but using the netherdrakes along with both pure stock and what remains of the captured dragons and eggs from BWL. Down the line, many, MANY years in the future, the breeding program ends up being incredibly successful and produces a race of dragons that have within them sides of all Aspects with enough Nether aspect to effectively amplify whichever sides they deem most important. The race as a whole decides that to establish dominance they need to control time and we get: The Infinite Dragonflight.
They are still very obviously corrupted (being the end result of Deathwing and his like), and would have a driving devotion towards achieving dominance for Deathwing and his allies (this could easily tie into Nelth allying with the Burning Legion, seeing how he was partially corrupted by both them and the Old Gods in the War of the Ancients), and would alter the past to achieve those goals. This would also explain why the Bronze flight is having such a hard time tracking them, since they are quite obviously NOT a spawn of a natural Aspect brood.
I think this makes a LOT of sense! Very well thought out, I applaud your imagination. It would be really cool to go up against Deathwing and his Infinite Dragonflight brood in a BWL 2.0 Outland style raid environment. Probably starts from the Bronze Dragonflight wanting us to get to the source of the problem with the temporal disruptions (CoT: Hillsbrad, Black Morass, Hyjal) and they have us go combat Deathwing wherever he is right now, be it Outland, Grim Batol, or somewhere else. Gets me excited just thinking about it.
06/03/07, 4:58 PM
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