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snape · 06/03/07, 10:03 PM

Well, it's canonical that at the very least, Sargeras' mortal coil was shed when Aegwynn defeated his corporeal form. That's why I say that as far as we are concerned, he's dead, although revival isn't out of the question in the grandiose lore sense.

muwatallis · 06/03/07, 10:31 PM

I believe Zul'Aman is not going to be implemented to fit into a UBRS-role. Despite as well as the truth that the game currently misses a *casual* 10man, in my own point of view the majority of the wow population are expecting it to be more-like a Zul'Gurub entertainment: Specifically hard, some attracting values like tokens and a small rewarding faction with "good" prizes(Similar to ZG class sets maybe).

PS: Zul'gurub. By the name of flashbacks i have, the old end-game content was very, very colourful in all terms of fun.

About the main subject; well, does anyone have an idea what the dragon lair in currently un-intended Hyjal is for? I still have some dark theories for Battle of Mount Hyjal and its connection with Infinite Dragonflight. I imagine: Archimonde dies, then an object appears to lead the raid into that lair by giving access into the graphical barrier after the death of Archimonde.

Well, this is too fictional. Sorry.

CD · 06/03/07, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

Yea, gonna need a source for this. I'd say it's too soon to fight someone as powerful as Kil'Jaeden, but given the fact that you fight Archimonde.. I don't know. It would seem pretty silly if you managed to effectively dismember the Burning Legion, the great evil force of the universe.

How powerful is Kil'Jaeden? I got the impression from WCIII:TFT that Ner'zhul being freed as the Lich King would be more than an annoyance, it would be an entity he would fear.
I'd expect Kil'Jaeden to die before the Lich King does and don't see a problem with progression going Illidan to Kil'Jaeden to the Lich King

javelin · 06/03/07, 11:23 PM

Here's a tinfoil hat theory for ya:

Deathwing continues to produce experimental drakes using his son's research from Azeroth but using the netherdrakes along with both pure stock and what remains of the captured dragons and eggs from BWL. Down the line, many, MANY years in the future, the breeding program ends up being incredibly successful and produces a race of dragons that have within them sides of all Aspects with enough Nether aspect to effectively amplify whichever sides they deem most important. The race as a whole decides that to establish dominance they need to control time and we get: The Infinite Dragonflight.

They are still very obviously corrupted (being the end result of Deathwing and his like), and would have a driving devotion towards achieving dominance for Deathwing and his allies (this could easily tie into Nelth allying with the Burning Legion, seeing how he was partially corrupted by both them and the Old Gods in the War of the Ancients), and would alter the past to achieve those goals. This would also explain why the Bronze flight is having such a hard time tracking them, since they are quite obviously NOT a spawn of a natural Aspect brood.

Liebestod · 06/04/07, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by CD

How powerful is Kil'Jaeden? I got the impression from WCIII:TFT that Ner'zhul being freed as the Lich King would be more than an annoyance, it would be an entity he would fear.
I'd expect Kil'Jaeden to die before the Lich King does and don't see a problem with progression going Illidan to Kil'Jaeden to the Lich King

Eh, we know that Kil'Jaeden scared the crap out of Illidan but the Lich King / Arthas did not. Of course, Arthas trashed Illidan and the new Lich King is probably more powerful than that, but considering that Kil'Jaeden more or less created the Lich King, I have trouble believing that it'd so easily surpass him just by finding a bishi body to possess.

But really, it's just speculation. People will argue otherwise, and it's not like I can authoritatively dispute these opinions. But to me, Kil'Jaeden is the current de-facto Ruler of the Universe, as the Burning Legion is still the major evil force in the Warcraft universe. But then again, since we're killing Archimonde at full strength... yea, why not Kil'Jaeden, or the Lich King, or some Dragon Aspects, or Old Gods, or Azshara... anything short of Sargeras himself seems game now.

imo.

Odeanathus · 06/04/07, 1:14 AM

Arthas was weakend when illidan "didnt fear him" basically beeing a shell of his full powered self. I dont recall exactly why he was weakend at that point.. i just remmeber my hero going from lvl 10 or what ever to like lvl 4? or what was it?

Also.. Lichking was created by Kil'Jaeden.. but grow out of his control... (meaning became to powerfull) and in the end.. The lichking managed to bind with Arthas.. become the single strongest entity in the wow universe (atleast in my eyes)

Now the only thing i dont see us fight anytime soon because of the inmens strength they should have...

Arthas
The Titants

Liebestod · 06/04/07, 1:31 AM

Arthas was weakened, then he got his strength back. As far as anyone knows, Illidan didn't even know Arthas was growing weaker. In any case, Illidan had the cajones to make two attacks on the Frozen Throne rather than risk pissing off Kil'Jaeden after he gained control of Outland. It's obvious who he was more afraid of.

Also, Kil'Jaeden never controlled the Lich King after he was sent to Azeroth. The Dreadlords did... and the Lich King had them killed off through various means to the point where he gained autonomy once the Legion lost at Hyjal.

The only things which is particularly indicative of the Lich King's strength is the fact that he's surely more powerful than he was when he beat Illidan. Of course, Illidan was beaten several times throughout The Frozen Throne... entangled by Malfurion, captured by Maiev...

Wandre · 06/04/07, 1:42 AM

Kil'Jaeden is one of the 3 Draenei masters and considered to be the most powerful of the Draenei in terms of raw force of magic. Of the original 3 only 2 were swayed by Sargeras. With Archemond defeated Kil'Jaeden is the last remaining Draenei master alive who is allied with the Legion. The third master is Valen who is the leader of the Draenei who turned down the power of Sargeras and although he was considered the most powerful of the 3 could not stand against the augmented powers of his two former friends.

Kil'Jaeden actually vowed to hunt down and kill Valen himself a long time ago but lost him and failed after the attempt on Draenor which corrupted the orcs. With the presence of the Naaru back on Draenor (Outland) and Illiden living there as well Kil'Jaeden would be incensed by the presence of Valen's minions and would probably love an attempt at recovering the Amatal crystals that Valen stole away from Draenor.

Either way if you're looking for story info the newest WoW novel has some great revelations about the origin of the Horde as well as the origin of the Draenei and the Eredar. The background on the orcish tribes and their leaders is reason enough by itself to take a read.

syeren · 06/04/07, 1:43 AM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

Eh, we know that Kil'Jaeden scared the crap out of Illidan but the Lich King / Arthas did not. Of course, Arthas trashed Illidan and the new Lich King is probably more powerful than that, but considering that Kil'Jaeden more or less created the Lich King, I have trouble believing that it'd so easily surpass him just by finding a bishi body to possess.

But really, it's just speculation. People will argue otherwise, and it's not like I can authoritatively dispute these opinions. But to me, Kil'Jaeden is the current de-facto Ruler of the Universe, as the Burning Legion is still the major evil force in the Warcraft universe. But then again, since we're killing Archimonde at full strength... yea, why not Kil'Jaeden, or the Lich King, or some Dragon Aspects, or Old Gods, or Azshara... anything short of Sargeras himself seems game now.

imo.

Regarding 'us' killing Archimonde at full strength, maybe Kil'Jaeden has grown stronger and stronger over time?

Either way, the Lich King vs Kil'Jaeden argument is an interesting one to speculate on, so let it continue

Rizzen · 06/04/07, 1:47 AM

Originally Posted by javelin

Here's a tinfoil hat theory for ya:

Deathwing continues to produce experimental drakes using his son's research from Azeroth but using the netherdrakes along with both pure stock and what remains of the captured dragons and eggs from BWL. Down the line, many, MANY years in the future, the breeding program ends up being incredibly successful and produces a race of dragons that have within them sides of all Aspects with enough Nether aspect to effectively amplify whichever sides they deem most important. The race as a whole decides that to establish dominance they need to control time and we get: The Infinite Dragonflight.

They are still very obviously corrupted (being the end result of Deathwing and his like), and would have a driving devotion towards achieving dominance for Deathwing and his allies (this could easily tie into Nelth allying with the Burning Legion, seeing how he was partially corrupted by both them and the Old Gods in the War of the Ancients), and would alter the past to achieve those goals. This would also explain why the Bronze flight is having such a hard time tracking them, since they are quite obviously NOT a spawn of a natural Aspect brood.

I think this makes a LOT of sense! Very well thought out, I applaud your imagination. It would be really cool to go up against Deathwing and his Infinite Dragonflight brood in a BWL 2.0 Outland style raid environment. Probably starts from the Bronze Dragonflight wanting us to get to the source of the problem with the temporal disruptions (CoT: Hillsbrad, Black Morass, Hyjal) and they have us go combat Deathwing wherever he is right now, be it Outland, Grim Batol, or somewhere else. Gets me excited just thinking about it.

Wandre · 06/04/07, 1:47 AM

Oh I almost forgot something really neat regarding the white mountain in Nagrand. If you venture deep inside you can see the original trapped spirits of the orcs that were held captive by the warlocks in order to trick the orcs into forming the Horde. You can also find the Naaru that was allowing the spirits to manifest themselves and guide the orcs in the ways of shamanism.

This was all stuff from prior to the coming of Kil'Jaeden and the Orcs conversion to the Horde. Orcs were brown back then which is represented by the spirits to the north and west of the white mountain.

Telani · 06/04/07, 2:06 AM

Well, there was a WoW feature in last month's Games for Windows, and it actually had some neat information in it. It was almost all well known things, but they did reference a Blizzard developer talking about Illidan being the Boba Fett of the WoW universe. He's a cool character but not all that important. They mentioned other characters that they plan to introduce in the course of this expansion, such as Kil'Jaeden.

Jows · 06/04/07, 2:08 AM

Somehow I don't think that we'll kill Deathwing. He's the Earth Aspect, tied directly to Azeroth. If he dies, Azeroth dies.

That being said, I think a Deathwing encounter isn't out of the realm of possibility. Maybe the fight might be one where you have to contain him for a set period of time while the other aspects imprison him or cleanse him or whatever. Just trying to think outside the box a bit here.

Sapp · 06/04/07, 2:18 AM

He's not the Earth aspect. He was the "Earth-Warder", but he stopped being that sometime in prehistory when he became evil.

The only real Earth aspect now is Therazane, and I doubt killing her would do anything catastrophic (not that we probably ever would, seeing as she's possibly the only actually benevolent elemental lieutenant, compared with the malevolent Ragnaros and relatively neutral Al'akir and Neptulon). I mean, killing Ragnaros didn't exactly put out everyone's campfire.

Dothorio · 06/04/07, 2:24 AM

The Earth-Warder is the earth aspect.

from the quest: Test of Lore quest item Legacy of the Aspects

I have done a great deal of research about the Aspects and their titan creators--as much as any human could in a lifetime. There were five Aspects when the titans left this world; they were mighty dragons tasked with protecting the world of Azeroth. Their tales are vast and varied, and even now, in spite of all the information I have fathered, I know that there is much more to be learned of these magnificent creatures.

Much of the knowledge I have now I could no have possibly learned on my own. Because of this, I am extremely grateful to the night elves. It was only with their help that I have as many details as I do. As a result o our interactions, I am under the impression that their beginnings are much more closely tied to the Aspects than I had first thought. However, they guard their secrets far too closely for even me to know for certain.

The information I learned of the Aspects I put here for others to reference in the future. I know it will prove useful, as I feel that these dragons will have a much greater effect on our world as time goes on.

Alexstrasza:

Alexstrasza, the ancient and powerful Queen of the Dragons, was named the Life-Binder by the titans. She was first to be created by the titans to protect the world after they left. It is said that she witnessed the birth of all modern races upon the face of Azeroth. Her red dragonflight, known for their proud demeanor, once ruled over all over dragonkind.

Rumors among the night elves suggest Alexstrasza and the demigod Cenarius were close friends, and that it was he that called her during the first invasion of the Burning Legion.

Ysera:

Ysera the Dreamer represents mortal subconscious. She encompasses the Emerald Dreaming.. While she appreciates the imagination and creation and approves of ambition in the mortal races, her and her dragonflight consider the real world to be just an illusion. Ysera is one of the most graceful and powerful creatures any mortal could lay eyes on.

Malygos:

Malygos is known as the Steward of Magic of the Spell-Weaver. His natural form is not that of a typical dragon, and it is said he can change it at will. Rarely seen after his retreat to the far north, he is almost always in the form of an insect-like creature, but while in dragon form, he and his dragonflight are carrying blues in color.

Nozdormu:

Nozdormu is known as the Master of Time and the Timeless. He and his dragonflight are bronze in color and display great cunning in all things. Nozdormu’s attention has always been focused on collecting artifacts of the past, as he cares little for the current matters of the mortal races, of even his fellow Aspects’ dealings. His indifference towards the politics of others does not mean he is complacent towards events that transpire throughout the world thought.

Considered to be protectors, the bronze dragonflight find themselves greatly attracted to areas of civilization. The dragon and his flight are very patient by nature, always relying on observation and acting with a plan before being hasty. Nozdormu will always attempt to protect the time stream and the mortal races when threatened by greater enemies.

Neltharion:

Neltharion, called the Earth-Warder upon his creation, was more loyal and protective of Azeroth than any of the other Aspects. His black dragonflight were responsible for the creation of the mountains and other formations of the lands including boundaries between the mortal races. What caused his corruption still remains a mystery: be it an outside influence or something that rotted from within. I wonder if perhaps the Old Gods didn’t play a hand in the great black’s corruption.

The black dragon underwent a complete transformation; and in the end, Neltharion no longer existed. He became Deathwing, a creature of malice and hatred. No longer the Earth-Warder in the eyes of races like the high elves, he was renamed the Death Aspect and Xaxas in place of his titan-given name. Deathwing is the embodiment of chaos and evil, and is always hungry for destruction. He is arguably the first evil of Azeroth that appeared after the banishment of the Old Gods.