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06/04/07, 2:28 AM
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#31
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Fail is the mind killer
Oppression
Gnome Death Knight
No WoW Account
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Where would you place the next raid dungeon in TBC.
Blizzard never mentioned how KJ got to the Outland, maybe they'll just make a giant burning legion spaceship thingy hovering somewhere in the twisting nether.
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06/04/07, 2:44 AM
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#32
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Paladin
Doomhammer (EU)
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The "Infinite Dragonflight = Black Dragonflight in the Future" theory makes sense, and I'd hope there IS some lore behind the Infinite, rather than just being a plot device to justify CoT.
I'm imagining a raid instance where the Bronze Flight send you to the FUTURE to wipe out the Infinite Flight, to stop them, uh, coming to the... past? Damn time travel plotlines.
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06/04/07, 2:57 AM
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#33
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King Hippo
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Originally Posted by MeCh
Where would you place the next raid dungeon in TBC.
Blizzard never mentioned how KJ got to the Outland, maybe they'll just make a giant burning legion spaceship thingy hovering somewhere in the twisting nether.
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There are portals all around Outland that are used to beam in demons. The big ones in Blade's Edge, Nagrand, and Zangarmarsh are supposedly going to lead to worlds beyond Outland someday, if the devs get around to it. I imagine that maybe one of them will have Kil'Jaeden, but it doesn't seem like this stuff is on the agenda at all yet.
Though it would be cool to see some kind of Burning Legion counterpart to Tempest Keep. It's odd that the Naaru seem to have really advanced technology, but the Legion... they just have steampunk~ish machines. Maybe we'll see more of what they have, but that would just drag the legion even further away from its classic demonic roots. I hate TBC's lore retcons.
And I see no real reason why Deathwing can't die. While it's true that it's been implied that his life is tied to that of Azeroth, I can't imagine that this would still be the case, especially when he's abandoned it for Outland, it seems. Also, the fact that some thought he was dead indicates that people believe he could die without Azeroth being destroyed.
And I'm also a fan of the "Infinite Dragonflight = Future Bronze Dragonflight" theory. But not seeing a hint of them in Hyjal really pisses me off and makes me wonder if Blizzard really intends to do anything with them other than give an excuse to open more CoT instances.
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06/04/07, 5:31 AM
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#34
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Auchindoun (EU)
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I think we've already established that killing an aspect doesn't or wouldn't have any significant side effects in a previous lore thread - they were empowered by the Titans to protect Azeroth and perform specific tasks but thats about it.
And an 'instance' where you travel from timezone to timezone chasing the mysterious leader of the infinite dragonflight as he throws his troops and lieutenants in your way as well of the native denizens of that area and timezone until you finally corner him would kick some serious booty.
Probably not gonna happen though 
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06/04/07, 5:43 AM
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#35
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Warrior
Neptulon (EU)
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Originally Posted by snape
Sargeras is dead for all intents and purposes. I don't personally think we'll <ever> fight him.
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The Caverns of Time.
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06/04/07, 7:14 AM
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#36
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Chief Passenger
Gnome Rogue
Earthen Ring (EU)
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Originally Posted by Liebestod
There are portals all around Outland that are used to beam in demons. The big ones in Blade's Edge, Nagrand, and Zangarmarsh are supposedly going to lead to worlds beyond Outland someday, if the devs get around to it. I imagine that maybe one of them will have Kil'Jaeden, but it doesn't seem like this stuff is on the agenda at all yet.
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Aye, there's a thing. Opening too many portals was what blew Draenor apart in the first place. The cataclysmic energies of the Dark Portal turned the Black Morass into the Blasted lands. It took Doom Lord Kazzak to re-open the Dark Portal, at who knows what cost.
But go to Shattrath, and there are not one, not two, but EIGHT portals to different parts of Azeroth, each of which can transport whatever size army you like across the planes. Add to that a bazillion mages poking temporary holes through from Azeroth to Shattrath every day, and it looks like a whole mug o' hurt is lined up for us some day. Let's hope the Naaru really know what they're doing.
:-)
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06/04/07, 8:13 AM
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#37
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Piston Honda
Draenei Shaman
Nordrassil (EU)
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My theory:
The big portals are "dimensional rifts" and drain energy from the planet they are created upon, and taint the land they are linked to.
Mage portals are magic gateways into preset points of focussed magic, because you cant transport everywhere.
The city portal destinations are made by (arch)mages and our mages only learn to "link" their gateways to them.
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06/04/07, 10:03 AM
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#38
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Khadgar
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Kael'thas' Master:
Definetly Kil'jaeden (as others pointed out). My guess, is he was using Tempest Keep to try and gather as much energy as he could to open a dimensional portal to allow Kil'jaeden to enter Outland. In WC3, it took Kel'thuzad, in Lich form, using Medivh's own Spellbook and using all the magically energy at Dalaran to summon a portal powerful enough to let Archimonde onto Azeroth, Kael just seemed to be taking the more 'technological' approach.
Kil'jaeden vs Lich King:
In terms of raw power, we really havent seen either of them in action to know for sure. Kil'jaeden was (during WC3) considered the equal of Archimonde, tho he was referred to as being more of the manipulator and coordinator of the Legion, vs Archimonde direct leadership on the field of battle. But, just his image alone was enough to make Illidan shake in his boots, so I wouldn't take him lightly at all. He probably has all the powers we have seen Archimonde use, plus whatever other tricks he might have.
The Lich King (combined Arthas and Nerzul), I would put as being the single strongest person currently on Azeroth, save Queen Azshara. Just Nerzul himself, encased in ice at the Icecrown, was able to control the hundreds of thousands of undead by thought alone and was a very powerful orc warlock before his spirit was imprisoned in ice. Arthas himself was the most powerful deathknight known, and bested Illidan 1v1 on his way to saving the Frozen Throne. Them combining was definetly 'not as planned' for the Legion, since they only held control over Nerzul so long as he was stuck in ice.
I would say, that neither would likely want to willing face off 1 on 1, unless extenuating circumstances demanded it. While one of them would likely win, the cost would probably be too high to worth risking it. But it would make for one hell of a battle, thats for sure.
As for future content, I would love to get into the Emerald Dream, or maybe have some news of the Titans. Last we heard from Uldaman, was they 'were going to make a return visit', but nothing mroe has been said. Maybe have Uldum in Tanaris open up at some point to give us some new crumbs of lore. Far as the Emerlad Dream, it would be great to get in there and find out just what is causing all the trouble.
I am sure, lore wise, the Lich King must be gathering his forces. The fact we stopped the invasion, and killed Kel'thuzad, his second in command must have been quite the slap in the face. Now, with most of Azeroths forces focused on Outland and stopping the Legion there, its the perfect time for him to prepare for a new offensive. I could picture a future expansion being us finding a route to Northrend and finding the undead forces already fighting the Legion, who are attempting to get rid of the Lich King themselves. A good 3 way battle, maybe with the Naaru helping, would make for quite a setting.
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06/04/07, 11:23 AM
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Piston Honda
Pandaren Mage
Whisperwind
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Originally Posted by Aonea
and killed Kel'thuzad
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Just wanted to point out that Kel'thuzad was hurt, but wasn't finished off, as the questline revolving his phylactery says.
Now apparently the same thing over with Kael'thas. Beginning to wonder whether or not Illidan will actually be killed, despite what's been said about the sound files and how they sound.
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06/04/07, 11:28 AM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Eylirria
Just wanted to point out that Kel'thuzad was hurt, but wasn't finished off, as the questline revolving his phylactery says.
Now apparently the same thing over with Kael'thas. Beginning to wonder whether or not Illidan will actually be killed, despite what's been said about the sound files and how they sound.
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Yeah, everyone said the same thing when the sound files of Kel'Thuzad's death were revealed. EVIL LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY!
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06/04/07, 11:46 AM
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Piston Honda
Pandaren Mage
Whisperwind
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Originally Posted by Jows
Somehow I don't think that we'll kill Deathwing. He's the Earth Aspect, tied directly to Azeroth. If he dies, Azeroth dies.
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This is something that we almost always just assume to be true, and it might not.
Nothing says that the destruction of an aspect would destroy what they are attemping to safekeep.
Take Nozdormu, for example. If you read on him, you'll see that the Titan that empowered him with the control over time also cursed the dragon at the same time, granting him knowledge of how and when he is to die, this way Nozdormu wouldnt grow to think being almighty and indestructible.
I doubt Azeroth will die when Nozdormu's time comes, more realistically, one of the bronze dragons will take his place -- possibly Anachronos.
You could speculate that this could hold true to other aspects as well.
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06/04/07, 11:54 AM
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#42
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POWER = MEAT + OPPORTUNITY = BATTLEWORMS
ChickenArise
Night Elf Warlock
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Eylirria
This is something that we almost always just assume to be true, and it might not.
Nothing says that the destruction of an aspect would destroy what they are attemping to safekeep.
Take Nozdormu, for example. If you read on him, you'll see that the Titan that empowered him with the control over time also cursed the dragon at the same time, granting him knowledge of how and when he is to die, this way Nozdormu wouldnt grow to think being almighty and indestructible.
I doubt Azeroth will die when Nozdormu's time comes, more realistically, one of the bronze dragons will take his place -- possibly Anachronos.
You could speculate that this could hold true to other aspects as well.
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That's similar to how I understood things, also. Perhaps the killing of Deathwing will spur on another storyline in which another Earth Aspect must rise, since Nefarion and Onyxia are no longer possible heirs.
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See you, auntie.
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06/04/07, 12:17 PM
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#43
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Von Kaiser
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That could lead into a while bunch of cool storyline possibilities. Imagine if the new Earth Aspect was passed on through succession, which would mean either an unknown spawn of Deathwing OR perhaps one of the named Netherdrakes in the Outland. If it was one of the netherdrakes, you could have a whole story/questline to make sure that he/she becomes a good Aspect and perhaps lead into some giant world encounter to make sure that the new aspect wouldn't be corrupted like Deathwing by the Old Gods (War of the Ancients storyline).
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06/04/07, 12:39 PM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Rogue
Emerald Dream
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Originally Posted by Eylirria
Just wanted to point out that Kel'thuzad was hurt, but wasn't finished off, as the questline revolving his phylactery says.
Now apparently the same thing over with Kael'thas. Beginning to wonder whether or not Illidan will actually be killed, despite what's been said about the sound files and how they sound.
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We're just getting to the big name bosses from previous Warcraft games, and Blizz continuously going "No, he's not really dead!" so they can save characters or minimize the storyline impact of WoW on future Warcraft RTS games is rather lame. I can see this getting incredibly frustrating for players who care even a tiny bit about lore, logic, and the effect of players on the storyline, if Blizz continues doing it. In other words, "How the eff do you fail to 'finish off' someone?!"
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06/04/07, 1:05 PM
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#45
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Rogue
Lightning's Blade
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Or what about a little draenai orphan girl that we all escorted around during Children's Week? The Bronze Dragonflight, The Naru and the Draenai all recognized her significant abilities. I wouldn't mind having a CoT instance that takes us in to a future where we discover what destiny lies ahead of her. Oh possibilities.
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