As our second kill this week felt very easy, no one dies. I look up some WWS logs and it look like Gurtogg has around 10% higher miss rate at all since 2.2.
Have anyone notices this too?

Hmm, last week I never got over a 2 stack of acidic wound and had some serious rage issues, but figured I'd just gotten lucky (unlucky) with dodges. I'll check it this week and see if anything has changed. The other tank for the fight never got over 5 stacks either.

I can't say I've directly noticed this but on tonights kill and the week before, myself and our Feral that tanks it have pointed out we seem to be taking a great deal less Acidic Armour debuffs. There's a lot of things it could be so take that as purely anecdotal.

Yeah he definitely has a hellof a missrate now... excellent change to the fight IMO, fel raged mages never dropped below half!

I basically do nothing in the first phase except keeping VT up. Towards the end I apply VE and SW:P to not having to do so in the Fel rage phase. I'm refreshing it during Fel Rage, which makes it tick into the new normal phase.

Ah yes, it might be this mechanic that even when you're the top aggro holder, you have to do something creating threat in order to get attacked again after AOE fear and other aggro-overriding effects. On the other hand, if KTM was completely wrong and I was in fact over 100% of the no1 tank, then that is fixable easily be me just doing nothing a phase longer. I think for the winning attempt we put a shaman into the tank group as well, to proc' windfury and create a bit more of a buffer. I did also not activate VE until about 60% of him, whereas before I just had it on him all the time.

Never the less, it was strange and really felt way out of place, whatever causes it in the end. Can't wait for Blizzards' implementation of a threat meter.

Our WWS yields the same. He went from 9% total miss (on tanks and fel rage) to 28% after patch. Seems like he got DW penalty on hit.

It does, but the reduction is so minimal it is hardly worth stacking a bunch of it.

We just killed him this week and I have to say that he is pretty easy. We had only 8-9 trys before he went down and I thought from what I read and heard that he would be a bit harder after the bosses before him.

Make a good healingplan with 9 healers. Assign grps to take the BB, let ppl spread out before the Felphase and you will down him easily.
If you bring 3 holy priests its a joke. They will need a Shadowpriest in their grp though. CoH and PoH make the BBhealing really simple... back it up with a druid and you are set for a kill.

I agree that I expected him to be harder. We just looked at him for two tries with 7 healers to agree on strategy / positioning, came back the next day with 8 healers (4 Paladins, 2 Druids, 1 Shaman, 1 Priest) and had 30%, 11%, 1% tries, then a few stupid wipes and he died before we had to reclear the trash. We did not assign any healers at all. This worked well for the second kill, too.

We just rotated 3 groups through the bloodboil dot with me calling out the group number to go on range on teamspeak and telling all to spread out after the fifth bloodboil.

If I compare that to the number of wipes we had on Archimonde (something around 60-70 for the first kill, 30 for the second, 13 for the third - there is hope!) or even Gorefiend (20+), Gurtogg was really smooth progression and a funny encounter.

How many healers do the Illidan-farming guilds use on Gurtogg? I think he should be doable with 7 without huge problems in the future, which would have an influence on our further recruitment. We only have 8 healers in the guild, tring to find a decent second resto shaman, but depending on content demanding more than 7 healers, we would maybe recruit another holy priest too. However right now, I think 7 should be fine for nearly every fight.
I hope this question is not too offtopic, but currently Gurtogg seems to be the exception in comparison of the required healing, so I think it fits here.

I believe the lowest we've ever done Gurtogg with is 6 healers. We normally like to bring 7. As for our group comp for BB groups. Group A is usually a double shadow priest / 3 healer group. Group B is a 3 mage, ele shammy, sp group. Group C is a mix of 2 groups, usually containing the warlocks, hunters, and sometimes a pally. A-B-C-A (spread out) - B. We bring 3 SPs, so with a good group set-up it is doable with less than the optimal amount of healers.

Keep in mind that just in 2.2 bloodboil got like 15-20% chance to miss, this is a HUUUUUUUUUGE change and makes the fight completely easier than it was before. The tanks take ridiculously less damage and fel rage targets are trivial to keep up.

So I wouldn't read too much into the first 10 or so pages of this thread as the fight is completely different now.

we had a night of attempts pre 2.2 where best we got past was 2 fel rages. and the other night we went in and got him in 5 attempts (4th was a 1% wipe). Fel Rage tanks are much easier to keep up. I'm not sure about bloodboil changes, however it never seemed to 'miss' anyone.

When he says bloodboil misses more he means Gurtogg not the dot I'm fairly sure. The dot can "miss" easily :P Some joker spreading out to avoid fel geyser gets farther away then a BB group guy and boom etc.

Talking about his melee swings as pointed out by the above poster.

Sigh, was fun while it lasted, why cant they only hotfix encounters that are too hard ;'(

Yeah like said he was hot fixed tonight, so his regular miss rate is back to normal again ;(

It's too bad for us. I hyped up that healing fel-raged targets would be quite a bit easier due a hidden increased miss rate with one of the most recent patches too. Trying him tonight just once (raid was 10 minutes away from concluding anyways) and then seeing a hotfix stickied in the R&D forums, kinda sucks. Oh well, should die soon anyways!

We were working on this for a while last night and we couldn't figure out what the problem was, considering we had two shot this last week. Then someone brought up the hotfix and we had to bring in extra healers. :\ It is definitely a lot more challenging than it was pre-fix, at least healing wise.

The only problem I see with this is that it just encourages raid stacking. We've killed him pre-patch, where he was pretty much a joke. Went in today and had a really hard time, didn't get him. Didn't have that much time left anyway, but still - clearly a lot harder.

A holy priest got fel rage and he got his ass handed to him in 4 seconds flat, 11k incoming dps.

Yup, we had a few goes on him tonight, killed Him prior to the nerf, but last 2/3 kills have been pretty easy 1 shot kills, Stacks on MT's go up a hell of alot faster than previous weeks, so alot more usage of BoP's, didnt have too many attempts but alot more challanging it seems. May need to stack a bit more avoidance, shame, i liked it when it was nerfed ^^

Same sort of situation for us tonight, stacks were climbing really fast. Being rather stupid horde types we'd been doing it with just aggro swaps but BoP sounds like it'll be an easier method there. We'll see what works out.

BoP is not a need for us. We`ve 3 tanks on him, for 1 of them is nearly allways the time to stand by side so that the debuff can fade from him. We push the lowest tank in the aggro list with MD from the hunters.

But like allways every raid grp has to figure out whats the best way for them.

You have to admit though, after the nerf he was pretty darn easy. We killed him on our 6 or 7 pull ever. Last night we wiped 3 times and decided we're going to have to give him another night of learning. With the acid debuffs building so much faster our healers are having a hell of a time trying to keep clothies up through the fel rage.