Ilvl / armor type question

haruka · 06/18/07, 9:39 AM

I picked up this belt last night http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32258 and just was comparing it to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32339.

Why is 307 armor costing me 18 healing and 12 sta? They're the same ilvl, this doesn't make much sense to me. Could someone explain what I'm missing here? Or is the belt from supremus missing stats?

edit: I realize that one's leather and one's mail but it doesn't really make sense that I lose that much from going leather->mail.

♦ Praetorian · 06/18/07, 9:41 AM

One of those is misbudgeted. An armor value like that is an innate properly of leather/mail/etc. You don't get extra points on something just because it's leather.

• Chicken · 06/18/07, 9:41 AM

Edit: Checking properly, either the leather belt is overbudget or the mail one is underbudget.

haruka · 06/18/07, 9:43 AM

The mail belt just seems underwhelming next to the tempest keep one, thanks for clearing that up for me.

♦ Praetorian · 06/18/07, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by haruka

The mail belt just seems underwhelming next to the tempest keep one, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Yep, I have that same mail belt sitting in my bank because while spell haste can be nice, it's just too huge a sacrifice compared to the ilvl 128 belt I got from TK trash.

haruka · 06/18/07, 9:46 AM

Yea, it doesn't really seem worthwhile to sac 14 mp5 and some +heal for .03 /.04sec off my heals. =/

Roywyn · 06/18/07, 10:09 AM

http://wow.virakar.com/stats/itemlevel.html (this one show 5% lower item level than other calculators I used before, no clue why) says

Naturalist's Preserving Cinch http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32258 - ilvl 121.6
Belt of Primal Majesty http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32339 - ilvl 136.3

Mail Belt would be ~140 with +66 nature damage though.

Whitemane · 06/18/07, 10:23 AM

When looking at the items that have spell haste on them, I don't see any that are really worth getting. Except maybe that trash ring, it seems really sweet.

The haste part just seems to be insanely expensive, at least for a healer. It's better for dps as they can apply the haste constantly.

haruka · 06/18/07, 10:29 PM

Not sure if I missed it, but I didn't see a spell haste option on that calculator, is it valued the same as another stat?

• Shalas · 06/18/07, 11:46 PM

All ratings cost the same amount.

Kazanir · 06/19/07, 10:11 AM

Yeah, sorry I'll need to add the haste ratings to the calculator the next time it makes the top of my to-do list. I also have NO idea what the "Armor Penetration" or whatever we call it now is worth, thoughts/info?

Edgewalker · 06/19/07, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Whitemane

When looking at the items that have spell haste on them, I don't see any that are really worth getting. Except maybe that trash ring, it seems really sweet.

The haste part just seems to be insanely expensive, at least for a healer. It's better for dps as they can apply the haste constantly.

The trash rings are ridiculously overbudget (intended though I think). At Ilvl 151 they are equal to Illidan and Archimonde drops.

Anias · 06/19/07, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by Edgewalker

The trash rings are ridiculously overbudget (intended though I think). At Ilvl 151 they are equal to Illidan and Archimonde drops.

I'm fairly sure this is an intended pre-emptive fix for shortages of "last boss in the instance" drops.

Roywyn · 06/20/07, 4:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kazanir

Yeah, sorry I'll need to add the haste ratings to the calculator the next time it makes the top of my to-do list. I also have NO idea what the "Armor Penetration" or whatever we call it now is worth, thoughts/info?

I just plugged some items with armour penetration into the spreadsheet, entered their regular stats (except for armor penetration) and tried several values for resilience rating (or any rating really) until the calculated item level was close to the actual item level.

Coker of Serrated Blades
175 APen ~ 27 resil, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32591

Shady Dealer's Pantaloons
175 APen ~ 27 resil, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30898

Stormrage Signet Ring
126 APen ~ 14 resil, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32497

The first two item give a 6.5 APen ~ 1 rating ratio, the ring gives a 9 APen ~ 1 rating ratio. Plugging in the 6.5:1 ratio into the ring, ti would be ~7 ilvls over budget, acceptable when you see other flukes.
I didn't find other items without socket to try, and backwards math with socketed items seems like a big "no go" these day.

Assuming a 6.5:1 ratio, you's need 15 rating value for 100 APen (+1% damage on cloth level targets), 24 rating value for 160 APen (+1% damage on heavy armoured targets, mail level or unsundered armoured bosses).
Sounds decent to me, not too good and not too bad.

Drakul · 06/27/07, 11:25 AM

Could anyone tell me where i could find the ilvl value for sockets?

I have looked at the original table of values and a couple other locations to no avail.

Or is there a comprehensive list that I missed somewhere?