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Old 06/19/07, 12:56 PM   #1
 Shifft
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Attunements Lifted

From Tigole

After a lot of thought and deliberation, we’ve decided to remove the attunement requirements to enter Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep: The Eye. While many of our attunements in the Burning Crusade have been good progression checks, a few of the attunements have turned out to cause unnecessary stress on guilds either doing the content or attempting to do the content. With Black Temple and Battle for Mount Hyjal thriving, we want to encourage (rather than prevent) new guilds and raid groups to attempt Serpentshrine and TK. We are going to leave the current attunement quests in the game so that players can still engage in the challenge and the lore of those quests should they choose to. At a later point, we are considering adding a final reward step to those quests as well (that way those who have already completed them would not miss out on a *new* reward).

We’re listening to feedback from you guys constantly and your opinions are important to us. We want this game to be the best possible MMO experience for our players.

Enjoy Serpentshrine and Tempest Keep =)

(Please note: This change will go live later today -- it's not yet active)
Seems pretty sudden to me...It'll certainly make recruiting a bit easier for those of us not getting TK scrolls yet though.

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Old 06/19/07, 12:59 PM   #2
Scrublock
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World of Casualcraft.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:01 PM   #3
DecimusGarona
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Why? Its not like these attunements were hard or anything.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:01 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Scrublock View Post
World of Casualcraft.
So is this a positive or negative reaction?

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Old 06/19/07, 1:01 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Scrublock View Post
World of Alt-craft.
Fixed that for you.

i warned you about stairs bro

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Old 06/19/07, 1:01 PM   #6
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link in case you're doubting this

Next up: pages of posts complaining Hydross "is too hard".

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Old 06/19/07, 1:02 PM   #7
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So in 2 months BT attunement is being removed aswell?

Jokes aside, seems like an okay change, you still have to clear SSC and TK to enter Hyjal/BT. It does change the progression track a bit, making Magtheridon optional, which I am not so sure I like.

Edit: Perhaps the better solution was to remove the requirement for heroics and just make Magtheridon the requirement to enter TK, and Gruul for SSC.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:02 PM   #8
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Who saw this coming? Im kinda suprised by this move and now miffed that i went through all of that for nothing now

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Old 06/19/07, 1:03 PM   #9
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I wonder what's going to happen to the epic FR ring that's only available by killing Magtheridon for the end of the TK line.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:03 PM   #10
Evalara
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Wow, that's pretty awesome!

What's not awesome are the first salvo of replies from the More Hardcore Than Thou crowd. Thanks for this.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:03 PM   #11
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I vote anyone who completed them pre 2.1 nerf get special in game titles.

I guess they're doing away with scrolls completely then too? A guildmate suggested they unattune someone so they are forced to do the questline haha.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:03 PM   #12
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Wow, such a simple change, but a tremendous help to guilds trying to get through those instances. I can't tell you how new recruits we've had to run through all the heroics to get keyed to TK. At first we had to get most recruits through their SSC attunements as well, but most people seem to have gotten that done by now.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:03 PM   #13
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He specifically said the quests are still in the game, just optional.

Edit: This is responding to the comment about the epic FR ring.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:04 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Relwin View Post
Fixed that for you.
Oh yes, my Shadowpriest and Rogue will be grabbing up all kinds of goodies.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:04 PM   #15
heel
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I guess that it won't speed up anyone's progression by a noticable amount, since you're probably not going to kill Hydross if you can't kill Gruul (although you might be able to get Void Reaver down before you beat Magtheridon . . . ). Doesn't change anything for very high-end guilds; we have more scrolls than we know what to do with. I suppose the only real consequence of this change is removing some tedium for those who haven't seen SSC/TK yet. Removing tedium is always a good thing. Kudos to the devs for a good change, albeit a completely unexpected one.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:04 PM   #16
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I have mixed feelings. I'm a bit bitter that I had to go through all that crap to get attuned but on the other hand, having more people available for TK (in our guild's case) is definitely a boon.

And lol @ the "reward for finishing the Trials". It'll probably be some crap blue we'll vendor for 9g.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:04 PM   #17
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I don't consider it entirely negative, however I think the fact that thousands of people have had to do it just to have it removed later on is kind of ridiculous.

But then again when does Blizzard not severely reduce the difficulty/time of anything in this game?

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Old 06/19/07, 1:05 PM   #18
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I'm not pleased.

For reference, I'm in a guild that's struggling against Gruul. The last thing I want is my guildmates to want to charge into SSC so we can rocked there too.

I think they may have needed to do something to make it easier to attune alts and parts of the guild. And a real multi-boss 25 man raid instance in the tier 4 content would have been nice.

But it seems to me there were barriers of entry for a reason. Now the reason hasn't changed but the barriers have beem removed. Doesn't this seem like letting the toddlers out of the kiddie pool and letting them jump into the deep end before they've learned to swim?

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Old 06/19/07, 1:05 PM   #19
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FUCK YES.

God what a great change.

Also, I am attuned to both SSC/TK, but the stress of attuning people to TK was burning me out. Baby sitting people so they had to do their heroics and hassling them wasn't my idea of fun.

Can we get a link to the blue post by the way?

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Old 06/19/07, 1:05 PM   #20
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I hope this is a joke, first pvp casuals get gear they dont deserve, and now the "heroics are hard" folk gets free acces?

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Old 06/19/07, 1:06 PM   #21
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Edit: In response to Navaash, #9.

Originally Posted by Tigole
We are going to leave the current attunement quests in the game so that players can still engage in the challenge and the lore of those quests should they choose to. At a later point, we are considering adding a final reward step to those quests as well (that way those who have already completed them would not miss out on a *new* reward).
Now if only I could figure out a use for a fire resist ring.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:06 PM   #22
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Kind of sudden considering they just made Kael and Vashj drop attunment scrolls. Not sure if it was needed either.

I liked the idea that you had to work hard to get enough people attuned to be able to enter and complete the zone, as a reward you'd be able to attune your new recruits right away.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:06 PM   #23
Scrublock
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In addition SSC and TK general chat will become filled with 13x more spam from excited newbs.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:06 PM   #24
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I think blizzard is following that tried but true strategy of theirs to nerf things as guilds go further along. This does follow that timeline pretty closely.

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Old 06/19/07, 1:07 PM   #25
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Doesn't bother me in the least, although I think Magtheridon still could have been tied to TK attunement in some way. Overall it makes it easier for more casual guilds to get into SSC/TK and that can only be a good thing.

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