Strange; we killed Gruul tonight, 12 growths, and he never once targetted our 3rd in threat.

Since the issue, we just run with 3 tanks now - it means that if one of them screws up, the other two are there to deal with the hits, saving our rogues/dps warriors.

We had similar bugginess with Gruul, again. I was off tanking and thought he might have been smoking rogue due to bad positioning, but I was standing just off center of his hit box when he smacked our ret paladin (who had already died once in the fight).

He wasn't doing this on Monday at all for us. If he is actually hitting number 3, it's new for this reset. Are you sure it wasn't a positioning or KTM version issue?

Killed him at the end of the night yesterday, after the maintenance.

Seemed to be working fine.

Didn't notice anything different with Gruul. He HS'ed the second tank as he would normally and died fairly quickly.

I sincerely hope that the Gruul HSing the wrong target will not become the next Onyxia Deep Breath meme.

Already too late

I don't think we had any odd behavior last night either, but I'm not sure how many tanks we had in.

We killed him last night and he definitely only targeted second on threat in melee range for Hurtful Strike.

What's up with Righteous Orbs?

I started playing my shaman again a bit, and wanted to crusader up his HWL axes. However, 5 resets of the Archivist in strath turned up *NO* orbs. Wowhead says 60% drop rate, Thott says 20, Alla says 45.

There was a patch a while before TBC that seemed to bump it up to a near 100% rate. Did they undo that change? Or am I just like 1 in 1000 unlucky?

Just unlucky.

Remember back pre-TBC, you could easily run a full Strat-Live clear and get 0. Or get 9. It was just flukey like that. Although normally you're right, Archivist would drop one on a very high %. Just do a full clear of the mobs with one friend, and you should get some trash drops. My brother has been farming them for months for lvl 29 twink-age.

Maybe your OT was slightly out of range while running back from a Ground Slam and Gruul HS a meleer who was in range. I've seen it happen a few times.

The 3 full clears I have done since TBC on 60'ish alts have all had a 100% drop rate from him, as did every run since 1.12 when it was changed to 100%. Possibly their is a some code to prevent stealth farming, or farming by 70's as per Dire Maul tribute?

Along the same lines is I am fairly consistent in farming Incendius for 10-15 Disenchantable Blues per week. Now prior to TBC I had at various times farmed 6 Aces of Elementals, since TBC? none. Sure just unlucky still applies, but even at 2% drop rate I would have been due several by now.

Sorry for indulging in a bit of thread necromancy, but I checked today on Haala and bought the design from the Blade Vendor for 12g. It was on limited spawn (1) but there's some people selling them on the AH already so I think it should be easy to get it now. Probably fixed server-side.

There appears to be some kind of invisible switch (source: word-of-mouth from guildies, so take it with a grain of salt) involved in this: a number of guildies have experienced (on separate runs) that Archivist will *always* drop an Orb when Timmy has been killed, but never when he is still alive. It indeed seems like an anti-farming mechanic as mentioned above, but unfortunately I don't consider the sample size to be quite sufficient (think 10-15 runs in total, some with timmy dead, some with him alive); certainly enough to make me go out of my way to kill timmy before killing Archivist though if ever I'll go farm for orbs again

This isn't true, I had the Archivist drop an orb when I didn't bother to kill Timmy.

His hitbox isn't where the redline shows as he grows larger and larger.

Both tanks need to stand just inside it always

It sounds like your tank was out of range. There's no possible explanation besides a bug or range, and we've ruled out the former.

Or those people simply pulled aggro...