Ahhh, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for the clarification.

I could be wrong but it says you only landed TC twice, and demo once. Maybe the wws is just completely wrong.
Still his mainhand attacks appear greatly sped up - are you sure you don't have pets/allies or some terribly unlucky parries in there? Numbers seem completely crazy... like crazy as azgalor parse that sebudai just posted.

You're taking almost twice the damage of some warriors that not only did phase 2 but killed the entire fight over a longer period. Your avoidance is really high 62.4%, but the incoming damage is severe. All I can guess is your armor is way too low (add ironshields, change your gear for more armor and less avoidance). Because while it is fantastic you dodged 10 things in a row, it is worthless, since as always (and very evident by this post) avoidance is worthless if you can't survive the worst case scenario.
If demo wasn't down, or tc, or ironshields, or another 1-2k in gear in armor... and you add that in, that 22k in damage shrinks magically down to maybe 14-15k. Plus I still think you had parries in there.

If you're going into a fight where the worst case scenario can kill you, you need to change something up; gambling isn't the way to go.

Yea, Demo Shout and Thunder Clap were down when this happen. I was too focused on infernals and sheild block spam, and didn't renew them. I won't make that mistake again. Curse of Weakness had faded just before this as well.

My unbuffed armor is 14.5K, then add the stoneshield pot I had up, taking me to 16.5K, plus a bit of a boost from kings.

My pally healer respec'd for improved devotion aura, so I should get a nice armor boost from that the next time as well.

I have taken the liberty to check your armory. Your gear is definitely on par with the one I wore when first killing the prince. Of course the streak you took was pretty tough. I think you can forego using Ironshields if you keep the debuffs up all the time during P2 which is imho a weak spot in your performance atm. However two ironshields for P2 have a great return on investment ( I see that you used stoneshields but I presume they were down as well, otherwise those hits would 've hit for less). Another hint: save your trinkets for P2 and pop them there preemptively. Also ask the shaman to drop a GoA totem, it might help as well (at least if your healer don't need the manareg from the shaman).

Also your healer should spamheal/abort their heals instead of reacting to damage. At least your priests only seems to react to damage which is a bad thing in a scenario like the prince fight. Finally i get the impression that your dps could and should improve a little bit. Your fight is taking too long and long fights just ask for desaster either due to burst damage in P2 or to faster spawning infernals in P3.

Don't bother with curse of weakness from the warlock if you're going to use demo shout, it doesn't stack generally, and it's a complete waste of the curse slot. Exceptions apply if the warlock is using improved CoW and you don't have improved demo shout.

On the other hand, if you can't keep demo shout up for whatever reason, it could probably be viable. But less than ideal.

GOA is an air totem, it shouldn't have any impact on being able to drop mana tide or mana spring. It also adds a bit of AC in addition to the extra dodge. If you need some survivability, it's one of the better buffs to get (I generally prefer devotion aura, but we used both when I first tanked Maulgar in blues/kara gear).

One of the things I learned early in TBC raiding was that re-stacking my debuffs when they only had about 12 seconds left was very important. You don't want a resist at an inopportune time. Your survival is more important than threat generation - dps can always give you a second to catch up if it's absolutely necessary.

He's actually had it for a while. What he didn't have was the 40-yard aura talent.

Agree on the latter point, check your debuffs regularly and also try to stagger them, if you have to reapply them, you don't want to loose both of them due to inopportune resists. Regarding the first point: yes, GoA is on another element but if the shaman is dropping GoA he will be moved from the caster/healer to the melee group which won't benefit from the mana gain.

Recently i was healing with my twink in karazhan and our MT went down in less than 1 second (~15k dmg)
So I had a short look at the combat log and i found out that it seems like there are some sort of "double hits". First idea was, there must have been some parry … and I found a parry :

http://ace.pastey.net/70564

--> 7/10 00:05:19.667
--> 7/10 00:05:20.269
--> 7/10 00:05:22.807
--> 7/10 00:05:23.430

A few seconds later the tank is dead.

Yes of course, it might be a bug in the combatlog, but our MT was actually getting that dmg.

Looking in older looks I found more occurances :

http://ace.pastey.net/70565

--> 7/2 21:32:38.630


Then i found 2 parries in a row - and everything seemed to be normal again :

http://ace.pastey.net/70566

Only 1 parry & everything ok :

http://ace.pastey.net/70568


Now I can't find any good explanation for this … yes of course it might be just very bad luck … but I just pointed out a few examples … it actually happened several times.
Maybe someone can give an easy explanation. Otherwise Blizzard has another bug to fix.

Night 1: http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=qn3a1s4zanq3o
Night 2: http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=mxuft1ypprpim

Immediately after the last patch, my healers kept telling me that Prince was hitting a lot harder than before. We went from one-shotting to the tank dying in less than a span less than 2 seconds sometime during phase 2. It happened every fight we attempted. I was far more geared than our first Prince kills, so things should have been getting easier. When I went through the log, it was always the same thing: Double block followed by a double crush before my shield block was back up. Having never looked at Prince logs before, I figured him hitting twice with each attack was normal, I was just getting unlucky with him burning through shield block charges. Our solution was for me to drink an ironshield at the start of phase 2, but this only meant the spike damage was reduced to 13k instead of 15k (out of my 18k pool), not something I could've lived through when I was tanking at 15k buffed.

If this is a bug, and my healers are correct, then it's only new as of 2.1.2.

Is it just me, or are your combat logs all screwy and out of order? I'm not even sure what I'm looking at there.

Anyway, there's already a thread about this if you want to beat the horse further: Prince Tanking

Hmm where to enable this ? I have turned on all options in the combat-log chatframe.

That's the thread you're posting in now, so all you did was link it back to itself. Did you mean to link a different one?

Was it possibly out of range of you? Have you set it to the max log range of 200?
The options/settings for the combat chatframe have no effect on the combatlog. Combatlog records everything you're in range of.

Well i have AutoCL and Recount which are both set to max range - but actually in the config.wtf a range of 100 is indicated.

EDIT - my thread got merged into this one

Boss buffs and debuffs are not affected by any of the known combat log range settings, so you won't see the thrash line if you are out of the normal limited range (40 yards I think).

As a paladin healing Prince I agree 100% with this statement. I learned to chaincast downranked Holy Light 7 to keep the tank up during prince with some max-ranked Holy Lights when needed. Of course, I also have another healing pumping similar heals into the tank as well and we seem to do fine (one-shots mixed with some multi-attempts here and there).

I have a question about parry. Maybe it fits not perfektly in this thread. But i do not have posting priviledges for new threads. Don´t know with whom i have to go to bed to get this priviledge.^^

The chance that a boss parries ist always quoted to be 5% + 0.2 per level.
I looked at some WWS-parses. For example one of yours:

Click Me...

this is a Mororgrim-fight. Why is Morogrim parrying more often. About 10-15 percent. (I only looked at the parrys against Paches - not the ones when Moro turns around to do his water graves).
We first thought about Moro as a dualwielder parrying ´with both hands 5,6% *2 =11,2%^^
don´t know if this is accurate. Any ideas?
I saw similar parses from Bosses like Gorefiend, Leotheras, ....

sry for english grammar mistakes I´am not a native speaker.

Thanks in advance.