This is probably too early too post, seeing as it's been less than 24 hours since the patch has gone live, so I don't expect many responses for a couple of days...

Aside from now briefly being out-of-combat between phases (meh), did anyone notice any other changes after the 2.1.2 patch? My guild beat this encounter today for the first time and I don't want to jump the gun and say that he got nerfed, but something felt different. The health totals of each Essence remained the same, the damage he dealt remained the same, but something about our kill attempt in phase three just seemed slightly easier. It was by no means a perfect phase three, and amidst my frantic heal spamming, I glanced over at his health total and expected to see 10-15%, and very much to my surprise, he was at 3%. I don't want to disclose any details and spoilers, but what WE thought would trigger the raid getting the "Seeth" debuff simply didn't. It's possible that it's due to our misunderstanding of the fight's mechanics, but it's also possible that the fight's been changed.

Everyone in my guild says "healing was just a lot better" and it's not like we weren't close to beating this attempt before, so maybe we just played better. However, if this fight had been changed in any way (besides the out-of-combat thing), I'd like to know.

Seeth? Never seen it or heard about it before. Do you mean "spite"?

And is the "brief" out of combat break enough to throw out a rez?

After a good 10~ hours of progress and 2 kills, I have never experienced/seen/heard of Seethe during the fight before reading it in this post and seeing what it does on thott. Explain?

Not tried him in 2.1.2 yet as we only got the patch today but our second kill was reasuringly easy too, I think the encounter has a similar learning curve to kael and getting to phase 3 with enough alive is all you need todo for a kill.

Seethe is a debuff that gives 200% threat for 8 seconds.

http://thottbot.com/s41520

We know how to look up things on thottbot too, what we're saying is that we have never seen said debuff during this encounter.

Seethe is a P3 ability. Our understanding is as follows: Essence of Anger goes into a frenzy (http://thottbot.com/s41364) and casts Seethe (http://thottbot.com/s41520) upon all raidmembers in a front-cone of her except her aggro target.

In case of tanking her away from the raidgroup nobody get Seethe and a hunter should tranq her as soon as possible.

But we don't understand why Essence of Anger goes into a frenzy but usually about ~60% or after 45 sec.

Sounds like never having had anyone infront of her bar the tank would cover us never having seen seethe then, but I equally don't remember it going into a frenzy.

Is this entirely new, or are people saying it did this pre 2.1.2 too?

Haven't done RoS in 2.1.2 yet, but with the way phase 3 accelerates the difference between 10-15% left and 3% is only a few seconds, right? Given the healing intensity I could certainly see zoning out for a little bit and being surprised by how much health he (it?) has left.

I don't recall a frenzy either, but I was mostly tunnelvisioned into healing.

And wow, gear shifts between phases? Yes please!

Yeah, the gear shifts are nice. I was able to squeak out a rez between Ph 1 and 2, but not Ph 2 to 3.

I guess nothing else changed in 2.1.2 then. Perhaps we just played better. The attempt lasted about two to three ticks longer (6-9 seconds) than our 5% and 6% wipes last week.

Hmm, we just killed EoS (ok RoS, don't hate me!) on EU-Kazzak and we didn’t notice any of the changes described by previous posters. We never dropped out-of-combat or noticed a new buff in phase 3. We tanked it away from the raidgroup, only facing the MT, and had Hunters trying to Tranq but there was nothing to remove. Very strange!

6/18 21:37:40.718 Essence of Anger gains Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.606 Scorpid is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Vampiric Touch fades from Essence of Anger.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Misery fades from Essence of Anger.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Essence of Anger is afflicted by Unstable Affliction.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Orcmaster gains Shield Block.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Orcmaster gains Reinforced Shield.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Orcmaster is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.617 Ashlane is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.627 Schtonkk is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.627 Pauldin is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.627 Soulhalo is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.645 Milohaze is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.645 Prodomo is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.645 Gorrilas is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.658 Nione is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.658 Benita is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.658 Asher is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.671 Kinray is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.671 Icewolf is afflicted by Seethe.
6/18 21:37:41.671 Epitaph is afflicted by Seethe.

6/18 21:37:50.445 Seethe fades from Essence of Anger.

After that it faded from everyone. I'm not really sure how it works. Our MT was Orcmaster, so he was affected by it for sure, generating more threat. The others are random guys, rogues, mages, resto shamis, hunters, holy priest. Probably just stood in the wrong spot. My combatlot does not show seethe happening in the kill about 1 hour later.

Don't ask me why it didn't come up or how it exactly works, just giving some info here.
That kill was last monday btw, pre patch.

World of Raids stated a change with Seethe on the undocumented patch notes, but I think it's possible that they based that "change" on this thread. Nothing in this thread is confirmed, and I hope that this wasn't the case.

Based on what I've gathered from this thread, it looks like Seethe is working exactly the same pre-patch as it was post-patch.


I don't know if it is a Frenzy that can be tranq'ed though. I'm not entirely convinced. Can anyone else confirm this?

He was simply showing you what it was.

We killed it last night with numerous bugs, I think its safe to say the encounter isnt entirely as intended and to stop people being stuck in combat after a kill they seem to have put a temporary fix in to exit combat between phases too, I dont think you could get a rezz off unless you offtanked the spirits until it was finished (else the mana/hp gain would put you in combat).

We didn't see any 'seethe'.

WoR also copied the false rumour about tidewalker adds from this forum without it being confirmed -and now proven to be false-. I wouldnt hold much value to it.

Strange, we're definitely seeing the entire raid going OOC both before the little shades spawn and after we kill them all. Generally not quite long enough to get a rez off, though.

Just killed it, never seen Seethe, never went out of combat in several attempts.

*and* remained in combat after the kill (as usual)

We had a weird kill this week. After a p2 wipe, the p2 soul got locked out of its cage. When we engaged it again it wouldn't reset and was still in p2. Moreover, it didn't reapply the damaging aura so p2 was real easy

We haven't seen Seethe either afaik. It would be nice if the tank could get double threat! Most of our wipes are because people pull aggro (or maybe hold back too much because they are afraid of aggroing?).

Regarding getting out of combat between phases, sometimes we did get OOC and sometimes we didn't.

yep, we noticed that last night also, it's pretty easy exploitable, won't go into details.
Mind that we yet haven't killed him/she/it. Overaggro from some hunter (how the hell) or warlock in p3 seemed to be our problem, we had him faced away from the raid and no one noticed that they got any seethe debuff. Allthough I did see him emote for it.

We noticed that our rogues had 0 armor when they logged back in today after last night's raid
Must be some kind of a weird bug