I have noticed that our tanks are experiencing an extremely high crush % from bosses lately.

For example, one fight our tank didnt block 19 of the attacks received, 11 of those were crushing blows.

On other fight he didnt block 8 of the hits received, 6 of those were crushing blows.

Overall we are looking at an average of 65% crushing on non-blocked attacks. (yes I realize these 2 fights dont = 65%, but through all our bosses that is the average)
One of our lowest numbers we came up with was 28%.
I *thought* that is was only supposed to be 15%.

Anyone else have similar numbers?
Anyone other than me and my MT remember the devs saying 15% is the standard crush %?


Combat logs:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=bgfbbxiblhxc5

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=rm5mn451mnmae

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=lqafk1e6a1olg

Healing and damage reports are not accurate on that last fight, but the tank statistics are correct. You can click on 'Rehn' to find out how many hits he took and how many were blocked and crushed etc.

First link is Magtheridon, 2nd is tidewalker, 3rd is void reaver.

I think the 3rd is messed up because my combat log keeps reverting from 200 yards to 80 yards or something stupid like that. I dunno for sure, but tank stats are accurate.

For example the hunter you see at almost the bottom of the DPS meter was actually 3rd, I assume it is because him @ max range and me @ max range at opposite sides of the room makes it so I dont detect all his damage or something.

I dunno, I'm new to WWS but still, you can see the amount of crushing blows he takes is just stupid high when you consider the few attacks that get through w/o shield block.

I could just be reading the combat logs wrong or something, but I dont think I am. I thought crushing blows were supposed to be around 15%.

Crushing Blows are 15% of all HITS. So if you say, dodge 50% of all attacks, 30% of the hits you receive will be crushing.

Once you reach 85% total avoidance, all incoming hits will be crushing (barring shield block).

It's 15% of all potential attacks. A significant number of potential attacks will be missed, dodged, parried, or blocked, even with shield block down. Probably somewhere in the vicinity of 50%, with all potential debuffs on the boss, and can even go higher if the tank is using dodge trinkets in 'oh shit' moments.

Thanks for the quick responses, folks. Appreciate the info.

Couldn't have said it better. Avoidance instead of stamina is only needed if you healers start going oom. Although I do find myself dropping some of my stamina in favor for block value, plenty of fights where snap aggro, or maximizing threat generation in general, is crucial.

Makes me sad to see block rating in some T6 pieces, oh well.

For me I prefer Stamina -> Armor -> Block Value -> Avoidance. At least until I see a fight that needs some other stat to be pushed up the list (Kael is as far as I've seen so far).

Man, I remember the good old days of early WWS logs near TBC launch where we were thinking along the lines of "Holy shit, 80% crushing from Nightbane? 50% glance against Gruul? Are these mobs lv80!?"

This is something of a problem for Blizzard. Presumably, people play high end content to get powerful gear, not necessarily specialized gear. Block rating is extremely powerful in any setting where things aren't hitting for over 1000, probably the best stat overall in that sort of setting. So do they make the class sets be more general purpose, or do they make them specialized for raiding? Whichever they do they certainly have the option of itemizing non-set pieces of the alternate approach.

Case in point:

I don't think you should be choosing block value over avoidance/mitigation/stamina unless its an aggro fight. You need to have multiple tank sets to be a viable tank imo. There is almost zero use of block value in a single tank and spank fight with no aggro reduction, where you're not going to lose aggro - unless the bosses hits are frequent and low enough that the block value compensates for the increase in mitigation.

You should have an avoidance/efficiency set.
You should have a max stamina, max armor style set (your best tanking gear).
You should have a max shield block value set (your aggro set) - or something that has a neat aggro feature like 4 set tier 5.

90% of this comes from rings and trinkets, so this isn't a difficult thing to perform.

An example: Use autoblocker on Leotheras. Don't use it on Tidewalker.

Unfortunately, most of tier 5 seems to be loaded with +block and +rating. The only really questionable piece of gear I was wearing in that screenshot was my Styleen's. Even then, if i switch out to something like Adamantine Figurine I would still be loaded with high black value and not much else.

Nope, I did mean block rating; it's extremely cheap avoidance provided that your block value is also sufficiently high.