We've just recently made it into BT/Hyjal and I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on a progression kill order between the two zones. I don't know first hand, but it seems like is some latitude in kill order past Supremus in BT and there is always the option of pushing in Hyjal, where 8 waves per attempt probably dampens the learning curve. What has your experience been so far?
Difficulty starts to ramp up in BT at Teron/Bloodboil, and in Hyjal at Azgalor. With some practice Hyjal is pretty easy up to Kazrogal, and you should be able to kill Shade of Akama without too much practice. That said, wiping to bosses in Hyjal is still depressing, because it means another 20 minutes of pretty hard focus with 0 reward (really, how hard would it have been to add trash rep) just to get another shot, and I wouldn't recommend doing it multiple nights in a row.
That said, wiping to bosses in Hyjal is still depressing, because it means another 20 minutes of pretty hard focus with 0 reward (really, how hard would it have been to add trash rep)
If it's any consolation, they are going to add trash rep and drops in "a future patch". Note that when he says "even later", this was posted before 2.1.2 came out, so it's closer than it sounds.
Originally Posted by Daelo
In an even later patch, we'll also be adding loot (including epic drops) and faction to the creatures. This should hopefully take some of the sting out of losing to one of the bosses by making wave clearing a less time consuming and more rewarding experience.
Doing BT through Shade of Akama is pretty much mandatory and you'd be insane not to. After that, your options diverge, and there really is no "right" answer. The Hyjal bosses up to Azgalor are objectively easier than Teron, Gurtogg, and certainly Reliquary. Personally I'd say (Reliquary > Gurtogg > Azgalor > Teron > Anetheron > Kaz'Rogal). So the trash becomes the determining factor. Learning the trash waves is half the battle in Hyjal, and it's not very rewarding. It can be kind of fun though if you look at it like Gothik back in Naxx -- it's really pretty different from other encounters and requires good coordination and communication. The inevitable process of learning the trash, seeing the boss for the first time, wiping because you didn't quite understand one or two things he did, reclearing the trash, etc., isn't the greatest thing in the world.
Hyjal is quite rewarding once learned, though. It's a quicker and surer route to collecting your first Tier 6 pieces than BT, at least.
What we did was clear BT up to Reliquary, and then when faced with the choice of wiping to a technically challenging boss and reclearing a gauntlet (albeit a short one) every time, or reclearing trash to learn Hyjal for more/better loot, we opted for the latter. Two raid sessions in Hyjal has us at Archimonde, and we'll go back for Reliquary once he dies (should be tonight).
Personally, I'd suggest doing BT through Teron, then if you have tons of healers around work on Gurtogg, and if you don't on a given night, work on Hyjal. Always best to have options.
We have 5 bosses at BT down and 2 at Hyjal, and we will be focusing our progress raids to Hyjal until it's cleared. It really seems much better risk/reward than RoS, tier6 parts are tempting for almost everyone. Also, getting Hyjal on farm would be nice supply of epix with small amount of time.
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Obviously you start with Rage Winterchill. From there on I would go Naj'entus, Supremus and Shade of Akama in Black Temple. Then move to Mount Hyjal for Anetheron at least. Maybe Kaz'rogal as well, but it's advisable to use shadow resistance for him and you might need a another week in Black Temple to get enough Heart of Darkness for that.
Teron Gorefiend and Gurtogg Bloodboil in Black Temple and Azgalor in Mount Hyjal are pretty equal in difficulty. Different guilds will probably struggle with different fights, depending on what their strengths and weaknesses are.
Once you get Azgalor down you should start attempting Archimonde. He really isn't that hard, you just need a bit of time to learn how to survive his abilities. He is definately less complex than Reliquary of Souls. From that point on you have only one way to go; Mother Shahraz, Illidari Council and Illidan Stormrage.
Maybe Kaz'rogal as well, but it's advisable to use shadow resistance for him and you might need a another week in Black Temple to get enough Heart of Darkness for that.
Huh, this is the second time I've seen this, and using SR never really occurred to me. We just wore normal gear, wiped once the first time we saw him because we didn't really know anything about him and we wasted like 40 seconds peeling him off mobs on which he'd aggroed and trying to decide where to position him. By the time we realized that it's a tightly timed fight, it was too late. We killed him on the next pull, and again yesterday, with no SR and plenty of time/mana to spare at the end. I don't think you really need SR gear and I wouldn't worry about doing BT for SR gear before progressing in Hyjal.
For us BT has been mostly about tactics and personal perfromances.
Hyjal the first two bosses check you should be there and the next two reinforce that with dps checks; then archimonde gives you freeloot for being able to click on pvp trinkets/major fire pots/slow fall.
We first ventured into Hyjal when the waves took longer than kiting thunderan to orgrimmar so now its seems alot better, in the horde base its certainly more varied.
Theres nothing in Hyjal that has you making and re-making your tactic like a certain 6 armed mother figure.
Yeah, never considered using SR at Kaz'Rogal... seemed to be a simple DPS check fight that any guild who should be there should be able to kill him. Rage/Anetheron are tactical fights, Kaz/Azgalor are DPS checks. Archimonde reverts back to being a tactical fight.
One thing to consider about Hyjal is if your guild sucks at learning trash then you probably want to go easy on doing it. The other thing you'll want to do is carefully make note of what each wave entails, and plan accordingly. This isn't trash that you just zerg, in particular, the Orc camps have your raid being split at times, doing a variety of things. It's actually pretty nice once you get the hang of it.
I feel that Hyjal and BT up to Reliquary really do exist in parallel. Try both, see which seems better suited for your guild. Keep in mind you WILL hit a brick wall at Mother Shahraz until you get the requisite SR gear crafted.
We don't use SR on Kaz'Rogal, but we definitely use it on Azgalor. 200 sr on all healers pretty much guarantees you will have 3-4 healers resisting the silence and it helps much considering Azgalor hits like a truck. We wiped 2 hours on him without sr (tank dead during a silence) and killed him in like 3 attempts after crafting bt cloak+legs for every healer. However, we don't have many hots available in our classic lineup (like 1 druid and 1 priest max) so it might explain that. Anyways, fight is so short, mana shouldn't be an issue so it's very worth giving up a bit of healing power for 50% resist silence in my opinion.