Paa

Wait for the patch i assume, Black temple trash is much more forgiving and rewarding, The instance also feels so much more fun and involving it's hard to describe.

 

Schneeb

If you struggled that much with supremus then Raid wise you will probably struggle with akama and will find teron very hard. If you never actually saw anetheron then you simply cant complain, the bossfight is simple and so should only ever take 2/3 clears to learn.

 

Sathik

Once you kill a boss in Hyjal its really easy to repeat it every week, basically not putting effort to trash at all. At the start we were sorting out what to do on trash, now we just clear it without paying attention to it, it really isnt that bad. Once you get used to it, you wont even notice how fast do those waves pass

 

Russta

It was our second attempt on our first ever night in the zone.

I'm not complaining about the boss fights themselves, merely the the whole concept of Hyjal and our unwillingness to comply with it right now when the alternative is so much better.

 

◊ Praetorian

Well, as has been said, do BT until you hit a serious obstacle. Then clear Hyjal.

 

• Playered

We've hit a kind of wall currently, Azgalor will die on sunday then we are left with Archi, Gurtogg and RoS.
We have 3~4 healers on holiday etc leaving us with 6..7... maybe 8 at the very maximum, and only 2 shamans.

Archimonde... only 2 shamans and quite alot of people seem to stress that he becomes significantly easier with 3 or more.
Gurtogg... when we first tried him we noticed healing issues with 7 or 8 healers, so ideally we would take 9.
RoS... to me he seems the most viable option however there is a stigma of the difficulty of the encounter to overcome...

Would it be best to spend time on Archi or take a shot at RoS?

 

◊ Praetorian

RoS for sure. You need to do all of them, and the time spent with a healer-light raid will be much more fruitful than time on Archimonde/Gurtogg.

 

Dawme

RoS is not healing heavy but harder than gurtogg if you can get 8 healers imo. Difference between 7 and 8 healers to do gurtogg is night and day, really.

 

Schneeb

You should kill supremus upon first sight of him, then again I have no idea what classes you had with you.

You say yourself you had him on 30% with 8 people left or something, why on earth didnt you rezz up and kill it? You should be wanting to try things again after a mistake for any success in hyjal.

 

Jager

I really can't fathom any Kael killing guild having issues with the first three BT bosses. Akama in particular is the easier than any boss in SSC and TK imo. Supremus you can wipe to if people are sucking, but if it's really taking you more than 2-3 hours to down it you're probably doing something horribly wrong or have really bad compo.

 

Russta

We did kill it with 8 people. Feel free to watch this and indulge yourself.

Are you misinterpreting my posts? I'm quite stunned that anybody could think downing a boss with eight people on their second ever attempt is something to jump on, even if it is only Supremus.

 

Pyrul

I think we had 5. Me 3 pallies warlock. Next kill was 2 deaths total.

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Demi9OD

Did someone post a camera zoom speed command earlier in this thread (quick zoom out on couch ports)?. I swear I saw it at work and wanted to try it but cannot for the life of me find the post now.

 

DarKNecross

I posted it over in the Archimonde thread, but all these topics seem to weave together interchangably.

/console cameraDistanceMaxFactor 4

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◊ Quigon

I'd have to agree even though we've only ever done 4 pulls of RoS, we plan to kill it in our next 1 or 2 raid sessions - its really that easy (like 50% in phase 2 after 3 pulls).

The main difficulty with RoS was knowledge. The reason so many guilds took a long time on this fight was a lack of knowledge of the phases, the mechanics, and the issues like reflecting deaden.

Its not uncommon for guilds to kill RoS now their 1st night, after their 1st or 2nd look ever at phase 3 simply because they know what is coming.

Also, there is the mental block - a lot of people THINK RoS is hard because of how truly hard he WAS to learn back a month ago, and therefore never attempt him. We would've done RoS before archimonde due to the ae trash mob payoff after had we known what we do today.

Gurtogg is going to be exceptionally easier with 9 or 10 healers vs 6 or 7.
Archimonde won't take you much time honestly to kill. It will probably be 40-50 pulls, but that can be done in 2 nights. Unfortunately it is a frustrating fight, but the rewards there are better than both gurtogg and reliquary combined. The problem is, you probably want 9 healers here as well for learning. With 5 decursers (although 3 decursers is actually PLENTY, decursing on this fight is fairly simple if you focus on it first), and 5 shamans for an ideal setup, you're looking at pain with only 2 shamans.

One problem is you'll have to reclear some of the gurtogg trash every 2 hours, but its worth the reward.

 

◊ Pudgeball

That's the zoom distance, not zoom speed /bonk

 

Crazytrucker

Quick Question while so many are on the topic of Mother Shahraz, I hear a lot of talk about how much SR your using. We are trying to get sets crafted at the moment for Azgalor/Kaz so I figured it would be worth looking to know what to expect. Do you want to wear more SR then capped with Shadow Protection? Thanks .

 

Xav

365 is cap, more does nothing. So you wear 365 or as close to it as you can or feel comfortable.

 

dukes

The more you can get, the easier it will become. If you can get 365 on everyone then it will be significantly easier, especially if you're willing to make everyone get shadow protection pots and use them when an FA happen to them/on the raid.

If you can manage to get everyone full epic sets of SR, then its worth it. Most likely you can't, in which case you should get bracers and cloak for everyone, and then either belt, boots or both. Fill the rest in with greens as applicable, and then if you have hearts left over give them to your healers to get another piece crafted as they're the ones who will feel the pain most. If you want to do things most efficiently, stack your melee and healers with shadow res and bring the casters along as token fillers to take the FA in full greens.

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Thats our kill from tonight. As you can see, the casters do so much less damage than the melee that its hardly worth bringing them. Alaina died to the very first FA (screwed up and didn't use ice block - was his first time there i think) and we didn't bother using a combat res on him. I don't think voltan was paying any attention at all - not entirely sure what was going on with him. (The first wipe on there is rather hilarious - our MT had shahraz misdirected on to him, after which he proceeded to intercept her to numerous calls of "wtf" on vent. Turns out he has sunder and intercept in the same place and was going to start with zerk rage on but managed to miss changing stances afterwards. Instasaber lash, leash and we went again, geegee).

I also think using the place where EJ killed her is rather stupid - we tank her right in the middle of the hallway and have never had issues with people being ported inside objects or getting stuck in corners. With the tank using a decent amount of shadow res (200+, I think ours uses 237 or something) the risk of knockup isn't great. Even if one of the offtanks gets ported/knocked, it's not something that is an insta-wipe situation while having 3 healers ported into a corner that they can't get out of without taking 8 ticks of FA is pretty damned hard to recover from. Imp LoH is also a very good thing to have a few of.

 

Crazytrucker

365 with Shadow Protection I'm assuming or do you mean unbuffed :P, sorry just trying to deal out hearts correctly.

 

Voley

365 with all buffs, any number over it just does nothing.

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RikkiP

Yup 365 buffed

 

Ghando

I don't get why tanking Shahraz in the middle of the room instead of against that couch would decrease her chance to teleport people into silly places. Unless you found a spot in the room to fight her that was 30+ yards away from any piece of furniture.

 

Stormheart

Is it just me, or does hyjal make a lot more sense than doing BT? I mean, we had no issues getting down the first 3 BT once we got everyone attuned and teron seems easy enough once we have a little time(see: 8 healers log on or tomorrow when we run out of stuff to do), but compared to BT, hyjal is an absolute cakewalk. The worst boss in hyjal was azgalor, and that took us 4 tries to kill(4% wipe on 3rd try cause we didnt flask for it). Kaz took like 2 tries, rage took 1, and anetheron took maybe 3-4 with garbage comp. Basically, if you spend 2-3 days on hyjal, you can clear the entire zone besides archimonde, which gives you a very high valued target to kill. Plus, you can do every boss in there with 6 healers(7 for anetheron), although bosskillers says it takes 8-9, which is absurd. Is this just my opinion looking back on what would have been optimal, or do others just have different experiences.

 

dukes

Theres actually surprisingly little furniture in the part of the room we tank her (right in the middle of the path, about 50 yards in front of her next to the massive pillar on the left), although there is a small amount. I just don't see why you'd pick a place to tank her thats next to that horrible corner-bench-bit that looks like a deathtrap in itself just to avoid the knockup effect.

Stormheart: It has been said in this thread that once you have Teron done, Hyjal is the next logical step. Bloodboil isn't too bad, but RoS can take some learning (especially if your interrupters have never done a fight like Kel'thuzad before and need to learn how to rotate-interrupt properly) and both aren't really as hard as Hyjal (as long as you have the shamans to stack on Archimonde at least). I think the majority of the dislike of Hyjal is that you can wipe without even seeing the boss and have to start again, and that can be very demoralising.