Benita

I reported this issue a while ago.

Im pretty sure we wont be the guild to test this when its actually corrected though.

 

Loktari

We had a pretty strange raiding week this far. Not sure if this has been posted about before but when we started the Shade of Akama fight last night we had a weird bug. After we talked with Akama we had a pretty long delay before anything happened and then one sorcerer and one defender spawned, no actual packs of the 3 adds though. Shortly after that the channelers just stopped what they were doing and Shade of Akama walked off and engaged Akama. The whole fight lasted like 1 minute and we killed 0 channelers.

We also had Kael'thas just disapear on us upon performing his cinematic at 50%. He flew up and just poofed away into thin air.

 

Wodahs

Speaking of this, does anyone have a timer on the trap, or a name of the debuff? I keep forgetting to make sure a detect is up to see the name.

 

Ghando

Agreed that Illidan using one special for 150% damage when the trap fades is stupid. If it was only a Parasite or a Flame Crash or some melee swings, that would be okay. As is, an Agonizing Flames for 150% damage is quite difficult to survive even as a healer, since you're taking those final ticks for ~7k at the same time as you're eating fireball volleys in his demon phase. And a Draw Soul....well, you can't position to prevent that, seeing as it's impossible for a tank to maintain aggro during the stunned/trapped interval. We've been lucky enough not to have that happen, but it still shouldn't be a possibility.

On the whole I think Illidan could be buffed a bit to make him less forgiving in Phases 3/4. It's a bit too easy to gimp along through those phases with a number of players dead.

 

Pachwa

I did last night! He put a flame crash on me.

I will agree though that if he targets a ranged class next it is pretty stupid, because whatever he does is landing in the middle of the raid, be it a draw soul or flame crash.

If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.

 

Digo

Don't take him to 50% when he's casting or about to cast pyroblast. I'm pretty sure that's what causes it.

 

kaib

We had a nice one with Illidan too. Sadly I was not in the raid, so I am not 100% sure how/what happened. But I believe during his death animation the raid wiped, due to the demons I think. The WWS showed that he was shot down by players.
The corpse despawned/wasn't lootable and the encounter did not reset. Blizzards answer was the usual 'sorry can't do anything, working as intended.'.
So no loot, no encounter reset. Clearly working just like it should. #$^@#$^ idiots.

 

Zalera

On Thursday we'd cleared up to Illidan and wiped to him an attempt or two and called it a night; Saturday we killed Fathom Lord for a new recruit and went to Black Temple from there...only to walk in Council room with no Akama up, and Illidan's door closed. Soft reset fixed it, but /boggle.

 

Clandestine

It's definitely not impossible for the tank to maintain agro, he's getting double damage from the Caged debuff as well. Our tank holds agro, and we still kill Illidan in two traps generally. The important thing is to have the melee back out a second or two early, I think, so that they don't pull agro because they're 5% higher than the tank.

Kind of a stupid argument that it's impossible for the tank to hold agro because the whole raid is doing double damage. There's no enrage timer or anything, the only thing you wipe to is tank death or attrition at this point. If it's a clean kill, it's much smarter to hold back a little and risk killing him in one more trap. Pushing DPS and risking him run into the raid because sometimes he likes to kill people after traps seems like a really unnecessary risk.

We've theorized that the reason Illidan sometimes gets casts off after being caged is because the traps are clicked early. He doesn't seem to cast stuff if you click the trap when he's standing on top of it, ready to trigger it.

@ Wodahs: The debuff is called Caged: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=40695 It's a debuff on Illidan, not a buff, so you wouldn't see it with detect magic.

 

Wodahs

Thanks Clandestine, I appreciate the information.

 

Kettle

Finally got Mother cowbag Shahraz down today, after fourteen hours of attempts and having a heartbreaking MT port wipe at 4% on the previous attempt. I think the best thing to take away from that is that at least it might be semi repeatable with the tactic we finally settled on. Maybe.

Such an odd fight though, there didn't seem to be any real learning 'curve', we just seemed to go from 'We're shite at this aren't we?' to 'Oh, she's dead'.

Spent a couple of hours messing around with the Council, going from knowing very little of the fight to quite a bit in quite a short time. The one part that I didn't quite get my head around (I got plonked on mage healing so was a bit out of the action) is the Deadly Poison/Envenom malarkey.

Am I right in thinking that the Demon Hunter vanishes, then Deadly Poisons someone in the raid, carries on stacking that and then Envenoms at X number of ticks (5?)? So Shield them up and be ready for the Envenom? Will he always reappear after an Envenom?

 

◊ Praetorian

No offense, but how can a raid possibly spend a "couple of hours" messing with Council and not obviously see how Veras works?

After a minute, he vanishes. He will DP someone. The DP ticks a few times (4 iirc) and then he envenoms to remove it. Then on to someone else. After 30sec of this, he reappears. Repeat. Just forget the whole "poison/envenom" stuff and just think of it as a DoT that ticks a few times for a little, then once for a lot, and is gone.

 

dukes

I think deadly poison just gets randomly put on someone in the raid, it ticks for 4 (or 5?) seconds, and then the last tick also has envenom (sort of like lifebloom).

Shahraz is very like pre-nerf Gruul, you think you're terrible at it until pretty much everyone gets used to the FA ports (or shatter, in gruul's case). As soon as everyone does, it suddenly pulls together and gets a lot easier. It's a case of practice more than anything, which means stacking stamina and using a lot of healthstones/shadow pots/bandages will help when you start learning as people might actually survive bad ports rather than just falling over and then giving up.

 

Kettle

Cheers. When I say a couple of hours, I actually mean about an hour of everyone screwing around after downing Mother, getting splattered by robot beams (those guys are good fun), remembering they need to repair, eat, 'oops no reagents!' or leave. Then about fifteen minutes getting a working pull then another fifteen seeing how long we could just keep folk alive and discussing the priest shields. Actual serious Council time? Probably about forty minutes and hadn't got around to focussing on quite what Veras was up to. Looking forward to tomorrow though.

 

◊ Praetorian

Ah ok, if you'd said "a few test pulls" then I'd have been less confused. :P Anyway, yeah, it's just a quick healer check. If you can do Mother, you can do Council in one night of attempts.

 

dalien

We had him to 17% yesterday, trapped, and he turned on the raid right after getting out and did a Draw Soul (healing back to 32%). So it's possible unless it was due to some error on our part.

Oddities aside, Illidan definately deserves a place in the Blizzard Hall of Fame as one of the best designed fights in the game. C'Thun/Kael are the only others that really reach the same level of creativity as far as I'm concerned.

 

Sathik

dalien: yeah, happened also on our "almost-first-kill" he went from 9 to 24%. They should do something about it, if its a too-fast-trap-activation issue, then its our fault, but I doubt it, I think that trap is counted from the moment he gets the debuff, not from the moment its clicked.
If its a bug, then Blizz should fairly easily fix it, by simple putting something between trap and metamorphosis. Either make it another ability that has 100% to be performed, like "Mark of Illidan" on a random target which would be 10 minutes debuff and would kill the person after that or w/e, something creative but not encounter-changing. Dice roll in this situation is so wrong, since if it rolls "Draw Soul", it may be really annoying

 

Clandestine

I don't know about super-well designed. . . aside from Phase 2, it's just a bunch of mishmashed mechanics from other fights, really. All it has going for it is the length of the encounter.

 

◊ Quigon

Its a great fight - but it sure as hell isn't a C'Thun. Nor really a Kael'thas for that matter (especially in regards to strat and theorycrafting).

In terms of difficulty its barely harder than the original faerlina - and about as creative. Although the lasers are pretty cool.

 

Hiba

Has anyone noticed does the [Shard of Azzinoth] proc cause the Flames of Azzinoth to charge at Illidan p2? We got one charge+enrage wipe, and we did not see anything else different than normally.

Lightwell object increased in size to make it easier to click.

 

Pyria

We've had this happen on our first kill, no less. After asking around it turned out it's a semi common bug if you pull Akama with the correct timing (i.e. when the Channelers stop channeling for a moment, as sometimes happens after resets). Not sure how repeatable it is if one tried, but don't think anybody has the energy to care. Enjoy your free loot!

 

HaklePrime

I don't see how this is any different than totems, or pets/demons summoned during P2. Pets appear to be classified as players for mob-targetting purposes, and anything that enters combat after the Flames have spawned will almost immediately get charged.

As has been mentioned several times, make sure that pets/totems are summoned/dropped before the phase starts, and you should be fine.

Pretty crappy luck that the far Flame charged the dagger-proc-pet though :P Typically the closest one will charge.

Hmm, I wonder if the Ember can be targetted for Fatal Attraction . . . That could be bad or good though, I'll have to pay attention for it next week.

 

◊ Quigon

We drop totems and all that and don't even worry about charges. It hasn't been a problem thus far. No enrages, and only once in a while after the charge he'll breath (which I assume is just a stupid bug). But even that you can sometimes juke away from.

 

Osse

Ah, the good old chasing rain of fire.

Has anyone tried to use pvp trinket when you're the ghost during Teron Gorefiend encounter?

If its classified as mind control it could either break you free or kill you even though you break it.

 

Clandestine

Certainly not a mind control. It's a buff on your buff bar. You can click it off to kill yourself early if, for some reason, you are so inclined.