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Old 08/08/07, 10:51 AM   #301
Goggles
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Great to be able to see the EU guilds now however I noticed a couple of bugs:

If you go to the EU ranked realm list and select a realm you get taken to the US realm and on the seal builder it says US Rank even if it's for an EU guild.

Not actually a member of Refusion on Burning Blade.

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Old 08/08/07, 11:02 AM   #302
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Originally Posted by alkis View Post
I have a small request:

Instead of indexing the top 500 guilds from the US and EU in the daily, can you maybe index 250 for each continent and then the top 10 or 20 from each realm? This will keep intra-realm competition at a higher level and it seems more important than the competition for the 250-500th position throughout EU or US.
Yes, I totally agree with this suggestion. I think most people will be interested in the top N or so guilds world wide, and the top N or so on their own Realm. Its only when your top on your own server that you start to wonder where you are world-wide. Now all I need to do is get in the habit of actually logging out in my raid gear.

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Old 08/08/07, 11:25 AM   #303
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Regarding server lists, how can one help correct the mislead ranks due to players changing guilds, etc? Can we send an email, or will the system just filter things better as time goes by?

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Old 08/08/07, 11:38 AM   #304
enno
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Curious why a certain guild isn't showing up:

EU
server: Terenas
Guild: Wiped

They've progressed similar to our guild (demented but determined) and we do show up but they don't.

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Old 08/08/07, 2:43 PM   #305
Ukerric
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If I remember right, Aspir starts with the 100 (or around?) largest guilds of that server from Census records. That's a good source, but some guilds fall into the cracks of census.

You can add that guild yourself on wowjutsu's site if you want, though (if someone from the guild hasn't done so yet).

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Old 08/08/07, 5:35 PM   #306
alkis
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Another suggestion. For the badging, when choosing a realm rank badge, make the link to point to that realm's listings (ofc it can be done manually but it would be nice if the cut&pasted text does that already).

Last edited by alkis : 08/08/07 at 5:43 PM.

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Old 08/08/07, 5:36 PM   #307
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Originally Posted by enno View Post
Curious why a certain guild isn't showing up:

EU
server: Terenas
Guild: Wiped

They've progressed similar to our guild (demented but determined) and we do show up but they don't.
Funny, because by the looks of it you dont have a guild...
(Fill in your profile)

On topic I think its great that we have this tool avaliable for EU use now although I have to say its funny how strange the results become when applied to a server with a heavy presence of raid communities (like mine).

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Old 08/08/07, 6:17 PM   #308
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Thanks for adding support for EU-Realms!

What is the reason for some guilds not showing? We had our weekly server maintenance today, so I think this might mess up your armory query. Another guild had their Kael'Thas first kill yesterday, before your last query, and it doesn´t show up either.

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Old 08/09/07, 12:40 AM   #309
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Finally! Without doubt we've the best guild ranking tool for WoW here, worldwide coverage now. I would like to support the motion saying you should consider lowering the ammount of total guilds daily indexed, focusing on the top 10-20 server wise, where actually most of the competition lies.

Also, altho you've probably noticed or been told allready, the badge making cannot yet be done for Europe / World, the option remains only on US Realms.
And lastly, the wierdest thing bugging me at the moment is the fact that guilds, like mine for example, have their latest kills loot updated through the instance pannel of the guild, but that kill has still not been registered on the ranking page, neither by name or points?

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Old 08/09/07, 1:21 AM   #310
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Originally Posted by Fifty View Post
And lastly, the wierdest thing bugging me at the moment is the fact that guilds, like mine for example, have their latest kills loot updated through the instance pannel of the guild, but that kill has still not been registered on the ranking page, neither by name or points?
Read the notes. The ranking pages are only refreshed every few hours.

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Old 08/09/07, 3:46 AM   #311
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I've been taking a look at the rankings, and have just noticed one small bug.

The Lightbringer Greathelm (and perhaps other Paladin T6 Helms) are not showing up under the Archimonde list.

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Old 08/09/07, 3:56 AM   #312
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Originally Posted by Golias View Post
Regarding server lists, how can one help correct the mislead ranks due to players changing guilds, etc? Can we send an email, or will the system just filter things better as time goes by?
This would be interesting to know, simply due to the delay in the EU scraping.

I hypothesized about this happening before, given the situation my guild is in and seems it happened in our case. That being, a couple people from our guild broke off to create their own guild, and as luck would have it despite our guild having being one of the few guilds on the server to have killed Hydross multiple times, we don't register at all. For whatever reason, all of our Hydross loot either went to 3 people who left (DKP dumps), were DE'd, or are offspec items that won't appear in Armory more than once every couple years.

(Incidentally, the other guild is showing up as having killed Kazzak, Doomwalker, Hydross and Morogrim, despite not having killed anything outdoor or in SSC yet. They just have people who killed those bosses in previous guilds before the initial EU scrape.)

It's not a "huge" issue, of course, but on a smaller realm the ranking list is probably what external people will use for cross-server transfers, so if there is a way to correct things it would be handy.

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Old 08/09/07, 4:14 AM   #313
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Originally Posted by Jayde View Post
It's not a "huge" issue, of course, but on a smaller realm the ranking list is probably what external people will use for cross-server transfers, so if there is a way to correct things it would be handy.
It should correct itself over time, given the whole "Get points for each loot of X mob" thing. So farm status is rewarded, whereas the new guild will likely struggle, leading to your guild coming out t at the top again.

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Old 08/09/07, 4:57 AM   #314
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on stormscale.eu

pretty much all wrong, if u exclude 2 guilds who have cleared BT, the rest are messed up

this is bcos two very good guilds have disbanded and their members have gone to every guilds possible (one of them was 6/6 ssc and 3/4tk, and the other one 5/6ssc and 1/4tk)

because of the above, my guild shows 15th, too low on the list, although we have 5/6 ssc and 1/4 tk (our leo kill doesnt show, although it was done 2 weeks ago and ofc our DLK kill 2 days ago)

tbh I havent read all 13 pages, and I dont know if there is smth that it can be done for such situations, but if nothing can be done, I think the ranking on the specific server will never be even close to accurate

I will try to read the previous pages and edit my post if I find a way to change the mess

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Old 08/09/07, 6:19 AM   #315
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<cackle> Got to love the effect of cross-guild raidgroups. My server shows up as having 70 guilds with kills of Maulgar or Gruul. There's 20 groups (not guilds) recorded in our forum progress thread. I know of a couple more, so it might even be as many as 30, but no way is it anywhere near 70. Similarly, the number of guilds recorded as having SSC or TK kills is about twice the number of actual raid groups. BT/Hyjal numbers are accurate - one group, that also happens to be a guild. Go go Lost Chapter :-)

I think this just proves there's some servers Wowjutsu won't ever really work on.

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Old 08/09/07, 6:31 AM   #316
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Originally Posted by songster View Post
<cackle> Got to love the effect of cross-guild raidgroups. My server shows up as having 70 guilds with kills of Maulgar or Gruul. There's 20 groups (not guilds) recorded in our forum progress thread. I know of a couple more, so it might even be as many as 30, but no way is it anywhere near 70. Similarly, the number of guilds recorded as having SSC or TK kills is about twice the number of actual raid groups. BT/Hyjal numbers are accurate - one group, that also happens to be a guild. Go go Lost Chapter :-)

I think this just proves there's some servers Wowjutsu won't ever really work on.
It certainly makes amusing reading. It would be even worse if every guild with 10 or more 70s was actually indexed as I noticed a couple of the guilds that form the core of some of the more advanced groups (Vanguard and Deaths Per Second) weren't showing up initially.

Not actually a member of Refusion on Burning Blade.

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Old 08/09/07, 6:40 AM   #317
Bahkauv
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If a raid kills a boss and that raid consists of players from several different guilds, I don´t see a problem in assigning that kill to all of the guilds. Of course the loot distribution from the first kill will mess things up a little, but that will even out in the following weeks.

On Alexstrasza-EU the top 3 seem to be quite right, after that things become a bit messy. My guild not showing up at all is only one part of the problem, there are several other guilds that don´t show.

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Old 08/09/07, 7:25 AM   #318
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Originally Posted by Fifty View Post
Also, altho you've probably noticed or been told allready, the badge making cannot yet be done for Europe / World, the option remains only on US Realms.
If you select US realm, this will show "EU Realms" correctly on the badge anyway.

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Old 08/09/07, 9:50 AM   #319
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn View Post
It should correct itself over time, given the whole "Get points for each loot of X mob" thing. So farm status is rewarded, whereas the new guild will likely struggle, leading to your guild coming out t at the top again.
Less concerned about the ranking of my guild in particular, as we will certainly kill the bosses again. More thinking about the correction of false-positives. Having a guild shown as killing 4 fairly tough bosses they have never touched before is a bit misleading, in terms of the ranking situation anyhow.

It's less of a problem over the long-term, but given how "late" the EU harvesting is, I would imagine it's actually quite inaccurate on a number of servers in similar ways.

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Old 08/09/07, 10:33 AM   #320
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For any of you that have found specific errors and would like to report them, please send an email to feedback@wowjutsu.com. They help out a lot

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Old 08/10/07, 11:50 AM   #321
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amazing to see how few guilds have downed Illidan throughout the whole world. now if only my guild could down mag :p....

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Old 08/10/07, 1:50 PM   #322
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Would it be possible to add a filter by which you could select US/EU, PvE/PvP, and Alliance/Horde, when browsing rankings?

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Old 08/10/07, 2:23 PM   #323
Regan_
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The amount of guilds with 0 SSC kills + Void Reaver is kinda amusing.

Neat utility anyway, even if it's hard to keep accurate due to people switching guilds. Great job.

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Old 08/10/07, 2:55 PM   #324
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Um, I think they have it fairly accurate for guild switchers at this point since they know what guild a person is with when the armory first shows them wearing an item.

Yep, it's there in the FAQ.

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Old 08/10/07, 4:19 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Humbaba View Post
Um, I think they have it fairly accurate for guild switchers at this point since they know what guild a person is with when the armory first shows them wearing an item.

Yep, it's there in the FAQ.
Fairly accurate still has some grey area. We've got someone who transferred back to our server and I think it bumped his 'new' guild's rating up a bit. The granularity of the system (both wowjutsu and blizz) is probably at fault here.

Then again, he may have transerred less recently than I think; I don't really keep up.

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