While it was our first night attempts on Lurker yesterday, we were definitely seeing 400 or so degrees of rotation. Our raid leader called out that very number when too many people turned into skipping stones on our first attempts.

Could have been a coincidence but this was over the course of a 7-8 minute fight. I have seen spout go way beyond 400 degrees, maybe 450-500 before, it just seemed like it was stopping last night where it was "supposed" to.

We've never had it go another full 90º beyond the 360, but it always has carried on somewhat. I thought it was stopping shorter as well this week.

Yeah we experienced this as well. We didn't have a melt armor for the first 50% of his hp. Another new bug I guess.

Anyway, the spout always went beyond 360 degrees. Since it starts of the MT I have always been acutely aware of this. I can dip into the water, it can start on me, and it will always end past me after I stand up from the same location.

A lot of these issues are like onyxia's deep breath.

Are you sure the tank didn't just resist Al'ar's melt armor debuff? We've had him go from 100-0% with the same tank during p2 due to lucky resists.

Yeah, tanking him tonight I definitely saw a Resist flash across my screen right about when Melt Armor would've gone off on me. He usually recasts it anywhere from 0-15 seconds after the old one fades, not counting time spent meteoring.

Had a new bug on Archimonde tonight. He was recieving a second soul charge from priest's Spirit of Redemption dying. Hopefully they fix this bug quick, because back to back red charges isn't pretty.


Not a big fan of the new fire either. It is much easier on the tank, but a serious pain on ranged/healers. Last thing this encounter needed was more randomness imo.

Stealth animation for human male rogues seem to be changed. I don't remind my character to do fast and tiny steps.

On Kael last night he only spawned 24 vials or some similar bug. Our MT, who was last to loot the corpse, couldn't get the vial. Yes he was on the quest, he had his Vashj vial in his inventory, in fact. Everything else was also already looted and he was looting his tier 5 chest token, so it wasn't just a "go to page 2" incident either. He contacted a GM who told him to /console reloadui and some other things that of course didn't work. And after the 4th GM, was just told that he would just have to kill Kael again next week

Not sure what this was and I haven't heard of anyone else having this problem before. Just be forewarned that if this happens to you, GMs will be of no help.

We had that happen on an attunement quest too.. don't remember if it was on the al'ar step or vashj vial, but the guy had done everything correctly (quest in log, ashtongue form activated...) but the kill did not validate for him, and GMs refused to help. Thanks quality customer service I suppose...

Exactly the same issue with the "A Fel Whip for Gahk" quest in Blade's Edge. A friend of mine and I completed the quest; 3 people in our party looted the Fel Whip ... and he could not loot the item.

He abandoned the quest, picked it up, we did it again. Same thing.

Abandoned the quest, picked it up again, shut off all of his addons, did it again. Same thing.

GM: 'lawl wut?' (usual suggestions, none of which were helpful).

So there seems to be some sort of underlying issue with quest item pickups.

I think that was another case of wrong graphics. While the graphics went further, it never did any damage. Same deal with C'thun, you could get run over by the beam and not take any damage reliably if you were just positioned further than 360 degrees. Of course, you could sometimes run through the beam without taking damage even when it should hit you.

C'Thun is totally different. C'Thun's beam graphic just takes some time to shut off - you can see it jump at a totally different speed after he hits the 180' mark, as he targets a player for green beam.

Lurker's Spout, on the other hand, actually rotates more than 360'. It's the exact same speed, and you CAN get hit by spout. It's not like he's turning to target someone, like C'Thun did. He still IS casting spout!

Possible Mage Iceblock Change:

When farming Elite Trees in Skettis, sometimes I would dick around and put up Iceblock as the Tree got to me. The tree would then turn and slowly go back to my pet. When it got close to my pet, I would drop Ice Block and the tree would turn back to me. Basically just a small kite when I didn't to worry about messing around with the invis warp chasers.

When I did this today, when I dropped the Ice Block the Tree stayed on the Water Elemental until I actually attacked it.

I then asked a Druid guildie to help test this. He basically pulled the tree, did about 2,000 damage, then I nuked it for around 5k, pulled the tree to me. Ice blocked up. Tree goes back to the bear, who turns his back on the tree. I stand around for 5 seconds, Tree stays on the bear. I wand the tree for 200. Instantly goes on me. It basically acts, aggro wise, like my aggro is still suspended from the threat list even after ice block has faded.

I know in the past, as soon as ice blocked dropped, your threat amount was put back on the stack, and you would still draw aggro.

Has this been in the game for a while now and I'm just dimwitted?

I'm pretty sure that's how immunity effects have always worked. Your aggro isn't returned until you act.

What would be an interesting test, though ... have a tank pull a mob, do around 2k threat to it, then stop. Have a frost mage do enough to pull aggro, iceblock, click it off. At this point the mage should be able to re-pull aggro by doing anything at all. But, have a third person in melee range pull aggro without the mage doing anything (mage: 2.6k+, third person: 2.2k ish, tank 2k) - would the mob go to the mage, or to the third person?

(Basically the question is is post-iceblock threat not active until you damage the mob, or just until the mob re-evaluates it's target?)

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I wonder what constitutes "action" in this case, as well. Wanding, clearly, as well as any damage dealt, or healing to someone on the threat list. And also any spell/ability that incurs threat (counterspell, demo shout, etc.).

What about zero-threat abilities (e.g., detect magic)?

What about moving?

What about moving from melee to range or back?

Moving shouldn't count (It used to, but that was changed for Thaddius), unsure about the true zero threat abilities as they're rare, but anything which causes even the slightest bit of threat will send the mob back to you if you have enough aggro to break either the melee or the ranged aggro threshold and have gone immune to it previously.

Things that put you in combat count.

I've also noticed this. It's similar to the sped up stealthed animation that they had in a prior patch (apologies, I can't recall which one, but it was around 2.0), but was reverted soon after.

I hope they fix it again, I've always prefered the slower, more methodical pace of stealthing to this prancing animation.

True, but not just things that put you into combat. If I'm out of combat and have rage, I can commanding shout without going into combat. However, commanding shout will still snap aggro back to me if I've temporarily dropped off the chart.

That's because commanding shout has a (very small) threat component to it, however. As I understand it there are certain spells, both mob debuffs and party buffs that can still draw aggro. I know anxious warlocks can pull agro with curse of shadow if I haven't touched a mob yet. I've also had pre-Aran mobs agro a lock with detect invisibility aggro. I don't think these spells have an active threat component, and from an academic point I'm curious if they would use the same "leashing" mechanic that a shout does after a temporary agro wipe.

I think all buffs have a (small) threat component (both detect invisibility and commanding shout being buffs). So if you're in combat with a mob performing a buff causes the mob to re-evaluate it's opinion of you and it therefore remembers your existence (if it had forgotten it due to an immunity effect).

Mind vision, mind soothe, and detect magic I'm not sure about however as they can be used on unaggroed mobs without pulling the mobs.