The loot will probably be tradable (i.e. no epics). Adding marks of illidari and hearts of darkness would be easy to loot and still add lots value.

Well, you don't have Fel Concentration, so 2 auto-attacks from a mob will kill your 15-second channel. You have to thusly time it more precisely, especially since your dots aren't ticking as well as they would as affliction.

Or if you time it badly, you could just cast Drain Soul a second time. Rank one Drain Soul is an insignificant amount of mana, so what's the problem here?

We're not saying it's impossible to farm shards solo, just that it's very inefficient (in this case, very slow). If you want to farm mobs optimally you'll finish off with conflag/sburn.

They could also make trash epics BoE with a rep requirement. Still sellable, just a massive pain in the ass to sell to anyone besides other people that could get them.

My personal guess is they drop some of those +(stat of choice) gems as seen in this picture.

Some of those have unique names, and they are the new Jewelcrafting gems, but the others haven't gotten a spot yet. They wouldn't be to much of a hassle to divide either, you can probably just roll for them, and ask people to be nice and pass when they already have one since they're unique.

Eh, corpses with epics on them don't rot for a while. Personally I'd love to see real BoP epics from the waves, like BT epics. How time-consuming is loot allocation, really?

Unless a ghoul eats the corpse.

This same problem occurred in Naxx when deathknights would rez mobs with epics on their corpses. They ended up just taking loot off the mobs it could rez, iirc.

Hmm, do ghouls actually destroy the corpses they Cannibalize? I hadn't noticed that, but I'd be lying if I said I'd paid particular attention to it.

A good Paladin / Shaman cloak would be nice before they release Zul'aman. ;]

If you are organized with your trash clearing, there is no reason why they cannot have bop items. Items can sit on a corpse for a long time, no reason why we cannot see a few BoP purps.

I think so. I'll check tonight.

The thing is, people who're farming Hyjal might think it's OK to take a little time for loot allocation. But guilds who're taking it on for the first time might find that bidding (or deciding) to see which piece of epix lootz goes to who might be a bit too much to handle, especially for Kaz'rogal (IMO the hardest of the 4 waves). There's also the problem of what happens if the epic dropped off a gargoyle or elemental who's waaay back there, but it's a rogue (or some other non-ranged) class's item? If you go with master loot, there's still the problem of the master looter having to go there himself.

Confirmed: ghouls eating NPC corpses causes them to despawn.

Edit: Hyjal still needs polish. This zone is not fun at all compared to Black Temple.

Stun the ghoul that is eating the loot!

Euw, thats just horrible to know, I would say or think something like "im sure Blizz is aware of this and isn't going to leave such a stupid thing in for this implementation", however...

And yes, BT is the 'best' zone for us on our weakest raiding day (Friday), where focus is generally low and we tend to miss a couple of the core raiding people.
Hyjal, SSC, or TK all tend to be horrible on those days for us but for some reason BT goes rather well.

Its really hard to attribute the reason for this however, perhaps its the fact the trash isn't going to wipe you if your not at 100% focused (hello TK trash).

If the ghoul even gets one second of eating time, the corpse will despawn when you stun it.

If any devs see this, please take another look at Azgalor. Doomguard deaths make no sense. It's the equivalent of EQ deathtouch. There is no upside to the death, and nothing interesting about it. You just die. At least with Teron, you get to keep going and do something useful to help the raid. Or give it a burning adrenaline component. Something.

Can you not read? He answered your question explicitly in the post you're responding to.

On Teron getting "deathtouched" means that you now play a special and pretty cool role in the fight, with unique mechanics. On Vael, getting BA means that you get a period of time during which you can do pretty amazing damage before you die. On Azgalor, you just die. Nothing cool or fun. You're out of the fight (typically you probably get a soulstone or brez, but that's beside the point).

That, and the fact that already-respectable hunter DPS would either go up by a fantastic amount or completely shit the bed.

Seems a bit stupid to have a bag-slot granting 50 white DPS on top of 15% haste without a terrible damned durability cost. And would that really even be such a huge improvement over current, given that you're still giving up a bag to "hold" your arrows?

As a side-note: THey really need to put in another "exchange adamantite shells for arrows" thing like they had in vanilla WoW. I miss actually being able to make money as an engineer.

I just dont value the different flavours of deathtouch as much as you do.
All of these 3 are not appealing to me. But point is taken, that obviously some people prefer deathtouch with a twist.

Yeah, one of the Blizzcon Panels discusses the changes to Hyjal, and as I recall there was one of the haste rings and a Nether Vortex as examples.

I was mostly thinking in regard to the issue of having to travel to the Caverns of Time to get the best possible ammo, switching to a durability based system like throwing weapons would solve this simply by allowing you to "restock your arrows" at any place where you can repair.

I think these drops were only mentioned as examples how trash can be rewarding.

I really foresee problems for raids that just enter Hyal in terms of in combat looting and distributing it. When we entered Hyal first on Monday we didn't have any real break between the waves, even though our assist was pretty good after a few waves. Though we are pretty quick in distributing most of our random loots, I can imagine this can get pretty messy unless those corpses remain there until after the boss is killed (if you delay looting that long however you risk loosing it to a wipe altogether).

I can see those mobs dropping hearts of darkness as well as epic gems. I guess that would be motivator enough for most raids since its also a nice source of income once your own needs are satisfied.