Sounds very good for the lucky fella. As you mentioned giving him time, I just have to doublecheck and remind to really give him as many "farm content" bosses as possible. Dont judge him from 1 or 2 tries. Give him time to get know the encounters as they can be a lot different from DPS point of view. You just have to get the right feeling for bossfights.

*Thumbs up* for the tests

This week one of our pallies respec'd to ret as he felt he had the gear to pull it off. On Gruul he was placed into the MT group (MT was a paladin as well) to test the effectiveness of Sanctity Aura on improving threat generation, the ret pally did 515 DPS on this fight.

On Magtheridon, he was put into the melee DPS group, receiving support buffs such as windfury and battle shout (but not iLoP). He was also assigned as a clicker. He pulled 761 DPS.

We're quite pleased with his initial outing and look forward to being able to have him come as ret in the future.

Ret is definitely very dependent on having the gear and an intelligent player to use it, but combined with the utility they bring, they can indeed be an asset to a raid.

After landing a JoW, I reaseal SoW predominantly to get more mana back by autoattacking. If I need to do it to keep JoW active between throwing heals out, why not make the most from it? The upshot is that if it falls off the target, it's an easy rejudgement away from being straight back up.

Rank 1 sotc is where it's at for keeping jow up and getting swings in between heals

Not quite the same thing, you cant compare judgments to blessings....1 ret paladin to keep judgments up when they aren't needed doesn't compare to bringing a true dps class to a fight. I can only think of a handful of fights where having a judgment up helps but even then it isn't necessary. Like you said ret paladins are beneficial but at what cost, and I never said anything about not bringing them if they received any buffs.

I try to keep judgements up on the boss as much as possible. We typically run two paladins per raid (three if we're lucky) and depending on the situation we'll have judgements up as necessary. For example on Illidan, the only real damage taken is on the tank in stage 1/3 so I'll judge wisdom; During stage 2 I'll judge light on the mob the melee dps is on and it helps immensely. As far as judgements falling off it's not going to make or break a kill, but on certain encounters it certainly does make a difference. Wisdom on a boss increases hunter DPS quite substantially and I know it makes our enhancement shaman more than happy.

No. Lasting Judgement - WoWWiki, the Warcraft wiki

Wow, it really increased it 300%?

Yes. Judgement has changed a bit over time.

At release, judgements lasted 30 seconds. They could be resisted, and Judgement (the ability) had a 15 second cooldown. There was a talent that added 30 seconds to JoL for 5 talent points (IIRC).


In 1.9, Blizzard reduced the cooldown to 10 seconds and the duration to 10 seconds, but added the ability for auto-attacks to refresh judgement duration and removed the chance to resist for debuff judgements. The JoL boosting talent was transformed into Lasting Judgement, which increased the duration of JoW/JoL by 30 seconds (for a total of 40 seconds) for 3 talent points.


In 2.0, Blizzard increased the duration of all debuff judgements to 20 seconds and replaced the Lasting Judgement talent with Sanctified Light (+6% crit to HL for 3 talent points).

Made a lil Shahraz movie to show judgements in action on a fight where mana is a problem yet its absolutely worth it.

celebrity_vs_mothershahraz.wmv - FileFront.com

Arcane torrent may well be equally imbalanced as fear ward