Patronus

Basically my guild of about 60 lvl 60's is wanting to use this point system.

It seems a little tricky to learn at first but I think well get it.

Is there anyone who is willing to talk to me on TS... Vent.. or MSN/ICQ/AIM

that would be great.

also if possible i would like to get the database from EJ so we can just use that to put points to all the MC items.

thanks alot in advance!

AIM: Enderlusio
MSN: nrs@comcast.net
ICQ: 31638289

 

Guest

For item values, just get with your guild and figure out what you think everything should be worth ahead of time.

What we value the items at might not be what you value the items at.

Also, I would reccomend figuring out what classes get priority on which items ahead of time, as I imagine that could get really messy to figure out when the item is sitting in the corpse in front of you

 

Patronus

Ah thanks alot for the tips... ill be sure we decide on priority n such.

But it would be nice to have a databse to base ours off of... maybe we could get the EJ database and simply adjust it to our likings.

or even a spreadsheet or something with all the items already laid out.. could help alot in putting it together.

 

Stalkman

A tip: for the tier 1 and tier 2 items, set a value for all the sets to be worth. All of the tier 1 sets are worth the same total points, then balance the values internally around that. That ensures that no one is at a disadvantage for cross class items.

Our items right now range from 50 (really crap items) to 175 (amazing weapons). We don't really have a firm point system for any blue items.

Noooooooooooo springs... he hehe

 

Thud

We use a modified version of eqdkp. I can't find the link right now for it, but it's somewhere in forums.eqdkp.com.

 

◊ Kaubel

Since right now I can't think of any reason that this would need to remain private knowledge, I'll go ahead and show you what values we put on all the loot we've seen or know about.

Epic Set Piece Values:



Molten Core Loot
(Fixed boss drops)
Choker of Enlightenment -- 75 JP
Earthshaker -- 150 JP
Eshkandar's Right Claw -- 75
Striker's Mark -- 125 JP
Medallion of Steadfast Might -- 100 JP
Aurastone Hammer -- 125 JP
Drillborer Disk -- 125 JP
Crimson Shocker -- 75 JP
Shadowstrike -- 100 JP
Gutgore Ripper -- 175 JP
Azuresong Mageblade -- 125 JP
Blastershot Launcher -- 125 JP
Staff of Dominance -- 150 JP

(Random boss drops)
Salamander Scale Pants -- 100 JP
Dark Iron Ring -- 100 JP
Deep Earth Spaulders -- 10 JP
Manastorm Leggings -- 100 JP
Sorcerous Dagger -- 50 JP
Core Forged Greaves -- 100 JP
Flamewaker Leggings -- 100 JP
Quick Strike Ring -- 100 JP
Obsidian Edged Blade -- 175 JP
Talisman of Ephemeral Power -- 100 JP

(Majordomo chest drops)
Core Hound Tooth -- 125 JP
Finkle's Lava Dredger -- 175 JP
Ancient Petrified Leaf -- 125 JP
The Eye of Divinity -- 100 JP
Wild Growth Spaulders -- 75 JP
Fireproof Cloak -- 50 JP
Gloves of the Hypnotic Flame -- 125 JP
Wristguards of True Flight -- 50 JP
Sash of Whispered Secrets -- ?? JP

Onyxia Loot
Deathbringer -- 175 JP
Ancient Cornerstone Grimoire -- 75 JP
Vis'kag the Bloodletter -- 175 JP
Sapphiron Drape -- 75 JP
Shard of the Scale -- 75 JP
Ring of Binding -- 25 JP
Eshkandar's Collar -- 75 JP
Mature Black Dragon Sinew -- 50 JP

Azuregos Loot
Typhoon -- 125 JP
Fang of the Mystics -- 175 JP
Leggings of Arcane Supremacy -- 75 JP
Unmelting Ice Girdle -- 75 JP
Puissant Cape -- 75 JP
Drape of Benediction -- 50 JP
Eshkandar's Left Claw -- 75 JP
Blue Dragon Sinew -- 25 JP

Kazzak Loot
Infernal Headcage -- 150 JP
Ring of Entropy -- 125 JP
Empyrean Demolisher -- 125 JP
Amberseal Keeper -- 125 JP
Blazefury Medallion -- 100 JP
Gloves -- 125 JP
Eshkandar's Pelt -- 50 JP

Epic World Drops
Teebu's -- 150 JP
Blade of Hanna -- 125 JP
Alcor's Sunrazor -- 100 JP
Hand of Edward the Odd -- 100 JP
Lady Maye's Pendant -- 75 JP
Cloudkeeper Legplates -- 75 JP
Dwarven Hand Cannon -- 50 JP

Blues are given to someone who would actually use them. If no one needs, they're randomly given to someone in the raid group.

As mentioned in this thread, the important thing is to keep the system zero-sum. If someone gets points, someone else has to lose the same amount. Items are always purchased. If not, they get disenchanted. (This is where BoE purples are nice. Someone in the guild can buy them if no one in the raid wants them.)

 

Thud

OH GOD KAUBEL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.

P.S.
Core Leather = 1 JP, Cores = 4 JP. If you want an item crafted you pay the JP value for the items, and then provide the rest of the materials yourself. Yes, this means the systems is not quite 0-sum at all times, but it's close enough.

 

Patronus

Wow.... we appreciate all the help and support you guys have given us... your information has helped immensly!

ill let you guys know how our raid goes!

 

Guest

I am predicting wipe on the first giant pull :P

At least I hear thats how most guild's first runs go

 

◊ Wubwub

Sounds like our first two runs. :I

 

Trimm

Oh you.

You can't feed a baby onion rings.

 

Etheris

yeah, i was actually somewhat curious as to how you guys keep your points updated?

Cause atm we're just using excel pull everyone aside that was in the raid, update the points, then sort the list again. I just was curious if the database you guys use was significantly easier and worth looking into, or shall we stick with out glorious excel method?

Etheris
Level 60 Paladin

 

Thud

The wowdkp software we use makes the whole thing retardedly easy.

 

Guest

Even if you are using excel, you shouldnt need to pull anyone aside at any time.

We typically just take a screenshot of the raid group and keep a record of who gets what items, then after the raid is over, Gurgthock or whoever else can do it goes in and updates the standings.

With a screenshot you have evidence of who all was in the raid, so you know who to distribute the points to, and with 40 people there, I doubt there will ever be much contention on who got what drops. Just have a pen and paper nearby if thats easiest and write down after each boss who gets what

 

Scorpio!

Steelfleece and I went on an UBRS raid and then the next day went on a drakes run.


Oh wait what's going on in this thread?

oh...

 

Patronus

you guys missing a few things in your database? i dont see brutality blade...

 

diospadre

edit: I'm stupid. We just hadn't had one drop yet when that list was made.

 

Raylen

We have the item prices set already. We just haven't seen it drop yet so it's not in our database.

 

JIHAD JERRY

yes we have, cryingrogue has one

"whalt we do in life echoes an eternity" ~ rusel crow, gladiator

 

Etheris

Hey, another Quick question since this has become a topic of much dicussion for us recently, but we're using the zero-sum and were curious about a fair method to distribute the priest/hunter epic quest items. We definatly think it should be worth points, however, we're also contemplating everyone should roll for it as well since it would be kinda icantspellridiculous to save points for these drops, but if someone really wanted it then the point system would be the fairest way to distribute. I know you've gone through this once or twice since you've actually got the priest epic, so i was just looking for some council from someone who has experience in the matter.

Etheris
Level 60 Paladin

 

Ultramax

We eventually decided to handle it as any other weapon drop. If the chest from Executus just had a chance to spawn an already finished Anathema or Rhok'delar in there you wouldn't have any debate about it.

There will always be some people passing on lesser items to save for whatever is currently the best possible piece of gear they can get. Most of our hunters don't want to spend a single point until they pick up an upgrade from Gorewood whether it's a Striker's Mark or the Epic. It's never been a real problem because we almost always had people who don't care to save points and the stuff gets taken.

You could start defaulting loot to people, but I'd hold off on that until you have quite a few decent upgrades rotting on every run. Disenchanting a piece of shit like Leggings of Arcane Supremacy isn't going to be the end of the world.

 

Oof

The way I see it, you'll find decent arguments for various ways of handling it, be it either highest current points, highest earned, or even rolling (well, maybe not *THAT* much of an argument for rolling, but still).

Just find the way most of you can agree on.

And yes, sadly (from my view as a priest and compared to forging Quel'Serrar), the quest items should cost you DKP.

 

ex-Zarn

Sup Jerks B)

I never came here because I couldn't ever find the forum because elitistjerks.com is too complicated for me or some shit. The loot system looks hot as hell, though. Makes me tear up more over the fact that I'm stuck on Alliance PvE.

Anyway, my economics knowledge kind of sucks right now, but I was curious as to wether or not you think the point system you have is able to ignore item point value decay? It seems like it to me since you have the whole zero-sum thing going on.

What I mean is, when a higher tier raiding zone comes out, couldn't you keep the current point values and just add higher tiers of points (200, 225, etc) instead of bringing down the other values? Is that the plan, or is there something else involved that I'm not getting?

The point of the post is that I'm trying to flesh out a good system for my faggot Alliance friends and our guild. The one thing I truly don't look forward to is keeping up with all point values any time an expansion to the end game comes out. The initial point assignment is alright, its just the constant babying that makes my skin crawl.

Anyway, thanks for help in advance. I'm sure you'll give your old guild leader some advice, right? :(

 

Graham

Exactly.

Stuff from Blackwing's Lair (assuming it's that good) will probably start at 150 for "only kinda better than MC" and go as high as 250 (or more for something totally stupid). This prevents point deflation and also puts a huge crimp on point hoarding. After all, if you never take loot and run MC 10 times that's only ONE LOOT from Blackwing and you're down to zero. Whereas if everyone just takes the loot in proper rotation, you'll end up with much more and still be getting stuff in rotation from Blackwing.

 

◊ Crying Llama

:w-hat:
I have one, and it cost me 150 points.

I could just pretend I never got it if it makes you feel any better. :yoshi: