thelastrace

Well there should be some fights that our anti casters. I mean there are plenty of anti melee fights even in BT and Hyjal, its about time there be a few for a caster.

 

◊ Praetorian

There isn't a single fight in WoW that is as anti-melee as Shahraz is anti-caster. Absolutely none. I'm hard-pressed to think of any in the full history of the game. Maybe Ouro, but that's about it.

 

cladnin

Seriously, that's the most outrageous claim ever. Has a MT ever outdamaged (or even came close) a rogue that stayed alive the whole fight? I'd go as far as to say a rogue could dps from ranged and come close to outdamaging a tank?

Edit: Also, what's so goddamned terrible for melee in BT/Hyjal? Supremus? Yep, one fight that slightly hoses your damage, but who cares, it's a very simple boss. I think melee has the ability to outdamage any class on all fights but Supremus. Archimonde can be said bad; give them a shaman, they still own damage.

 

Bver

QFT

Edit: We have melee top our supremus meters. There really isn't melee unfriendly fights in TBC.
Edit #2 : Supremus and Archimonde

oops

 

cladnin

Archimonde they own simply due to low ac numbers and having enhancement shaman. Our raid specifically does not have more than 2 shaman, so our melee will always dominate the feared ranged classes attempting to dodge and live through fires. On top of that mages often will cancel a spell that's at the end of the bar to cure someone, because survival > all. Supremus I guess I don't know what our melee do wrong -_-.

 

leizar

What about Shazzrah? Melee always just sat there and shot bows. Not that the fight was hard or anything, but I always felt sorry for them just having to sit there and basically do nothing. Also, almost an anagram? What a cruel joke!

 

• Shifft

I know some rogues (actually just me) that made a 315 AR set for Shazzrah

 

• DeeNogger

Ayamiss when she would stay in the air till 50% maybe?

I write things The word of DeeNogger New Blog! 7/6/2009

 

Illundai

A 20 man boss? Compared to Shahraz? :p

 

Benita

I always wonder why alot whine about the randomness of this encounter and then dont use a tactic that provides stability and progress by minimizing player error/getting routine/outgearing it.

You will see a tank not resisting the knock up into the air and then getting lashed while flying. That is the only random thing i saw when using the open space. Keeping 3 ranged camps was for us the best tradeoff for less beam targets while still providing enough space and healing range on FA teleported targets. Im not sure if theres a spot where you can combine all (camps, space and an obstacle for your tanks) and still leash shahraz for wipe recovery.

Any single of the deaths i see in our wipes can be countered when played properly, even the Vile Beam+FA combo.

I guess its a choice of preference, but id rather pick the longterm working tactic even if it delays the first kill by a bit than to switch a cointoss tactic for a proper one when you outgeared it or it got critted by the nurfbat.

 

◊ Quigon

We tried splitting our raid in three as well, we went with what was the most reliable - especially for *gasp* our guild. Surprisingly enough, many other guilds use the one group strategy as well. I fail to see how any of that is related to the failures of this encounter - or how it supports your point of long-term workable. I'd also encourage you to read your own guild's reactions to this encounter actually when they first faced it.

Yes Vile beam + FA is potentially survivable (I use the word potentially very specifically here). Sinister + FA will kill you though with a bad string of resists. I'm not sure it takes a math wizard to prove that.

 

Zerix

We melee'd Ouro from 100% to dead, chain feinting with tranquil air down usually kept us off his threat list enough that he would hit the offtanks before any of the rogues. After we started doing this and got lucky and had a 3 minute uptime, he would be ~30% before he submerged for the first time, it almost trivialized the entire encounter.

 

draxon0012

23% And jesus decides to port all 3 of our MT healers onto the melee.

GG?

 

◊ Praetorian

This is pretty much the essence of the fight.

If it had been 1 healer and DPS and the port had been off to one side, you'd probably be checking out Council right now. Instead you're sitting there frustrated.

 

draxon0012

Yup. had 24 up

 

Trouble

We wiped at least 3 times tonight due to parry gibs, all the MT being parried. We had the OTs not attacking at all. It's pretty damn frustrating.

 

Lodekim

The one positive thing I do have to say about Shahraz is the speed at which I got gibbed while learning got me to see things slower, and has gotten me to react when I see low hp and stop jamming instants til I'm higher, just one less thing to risk getting parried to build a streak out of.

 

Karnage420

Easily the most annoying fight in the game.
Thank god shes leashable - only saving grace of this piece of shit encounter is being able to stay at 99% durability.

 

Sebudai

We got our first kill tonight, on what was looking to be a really smooth attempt. One death to FA total at 22%. At 17% our MT gets knocked into the air, we reposition and keep going. At 15% our MT gets knocked into the air, we reposition and keep going. At 3% our MT gets knocked into the air AGAIN, finally doesn't avoid a frikkin Saber Lash(nice timing on that) and explodes. We zerg her down and end up winning with a rogue tanking and 6 people alive(including 2 reinc'd shaman).

So ridiculous. Basically our entire raid is alive at 5% and we still almost lost. What a horrible abortion of an encounter. Whoever designed this should be ashamed.

Previous to this our MT has been killed by a KB+Saber Lash only once, ever. It was just never a problem for us, so we never really used that couch to avoid it since doing that has its own drawbacks.

 

ZX7

What are the bad aspects of using the couch? You won't hear anyone who uses the couch or angled wall whine about a punt/lash wipe, you'll only hear whines about stuff that is unavoidable such as FA placements. The 2 camps seems the most logical since the FA can go anywhere and limits the "bad" locations. Only thing to change about the 2 camps that we found is to move a few MT healers out of the camp and put them into walls prefferably priests who can live through a FA port on them and continue healing the MT with BH if needed.

 

Sebudai

Tanking her under the couch seems like it removes some of the 'open' areas she can send you to when she uses FA. I could be wrong though. Since it only happened to us once, ever, it seems like it was better to tank her out in the open to maximize our 'open' space.

 

◊ Quigon

We use the couch - I haven't been "punted" since. I have magically died to a 22k saber lash though while half an inch off the air from a KB inside the couch though. Go figure. Seen here (sorta - our OT was convinced she stopped attacking them, even though none of us moved).

Here are some gems from this fight:
Each of these is with AH up (pretty sure its up, we sustain it using a crit shm), ironshield up, demo up, tc up, etc etc. Roughly 25k armorish, probalby 22k HP?

The OT starts with his back to the fight. He missed the first 6 saber lashes, was ported, and this happened to me:


Heres one where she just decided I lose:


FA on the MT!

Seriously - add in a sinister strike to any of these, and a parry, and you're nearly 35k damage in 2 seconds potentially. I'm wearing exceptional gear, and no windfury (well - sometimes, but not in those combat logs), ot attacks off, etc. 200-250ish SR.

 

◊ Quigon

If I'm reading you right, this matches our experience.

We used to fight in the middle, and I only got FA'ed upon once or twice ever in the open like this. But against the couch, it tends to FA on top of me every other pull or so. You basically have to decide - FA on the MT, or punts on the MT. After being punted 3 times before the first FA once, I decided I had had enough. Something approaching half a dozen punt/lash wipes in a row was getting on my nerves.

The changes on the PTR will not fix some of these wipes. She can punt so readily on the MT that you're going to see punts before ANY lash whatsoever lands (see the first post above, the PTR changes to saber lash do NOT fix this wipe). Once you're saber lashed once, you're probably okay. But it is not unheard of for an offtank to go a full minute without taking a saber lash. However, by then we tend to have had that OT ported onto the MT. Surprise cockfags, its Shahraz.

I hate you.

 

ZX7

You're right about having more open space, but the FA locations are always dice rolls. Being able to completely remove something that is a gauranteed MT death seems better than trying to lessen your chances of a bad FA port which is completely random and still has the chance to FA on your MT which is the worst possible spot(atleast for us)

 

Cannings

Its a shame the 1k crit flash heal didn't quite keep you up :P, I also think is shows the randomness to the encounter in the way that we still tank her in the middle and the tank will get punted once a fight maximum and for the last 3 weeks it has took us 3 tries per kill (save tard charges), but the fact your obviously wearing SR and taking more punts that we do makes me dread the day when we get 2-3 knockups and SL's each try