We killed Shahraz very easily last night as well. 3rd pull, in fact. One thing I can add that I haven't seen noted here yet, is that prior to 2.2 Prayer of Mending would not proc on Fatal Attraction hits. Post 2.2, our priests immediately noticed that it does. We had two Priests stand away from the single camp we normally use and hit the FA ports with a PoM, and the mending would just bounce crazily between the ported folk as they ran.

http://wowwebstats.com/j2quw4ewqenwq?s=4211-4575

Both arcane mages over 1.2k dps, thats without shadow priest in grp Considering full sr gear thats veryyyyyyy good

Here's our parse from last night: Wow Web Stats

I can't speak for the other casters, but after doing it for 2+ months with the old system, I had to constantly force myself to DPS when a shadow shield was up for example. Next week should be considerably better still.

I think they might have went abit overboard with the changes, although my judgement isn't the best as we've gotten too used to the old version, so we will have to see what new guilds reaching her think, not that ill complain though as it makes farming her easier, and yes it's a much more clean/fun fight now

My hats off to you guilds that have killed Mother pre-nerf. We spent three 5 hour days wiping on her, with our best attempt at 30ish%, and then proceeded to come in and one shot her tonight.

I tend to agree that the nerfs were probably a little overboard, but she's dead and we are currently working our way to the Council.

Again though, I really congratulate you guilds that have killed her before this last Tuesday.

edit: P.S...what a bitch!

We've had a total of 2 Hearts of Darkness clearing Rage -> Archimonde and Naj'entus -> Shade. Fucking awesome, maybe we'll be able to do Shahraz before christmas!

The drop rate has definitely been nerfed and it's bullshit.

I'm not so sure.

We had 10 HoD drop on our Hyjal clear and a further 8 drop from Nuj to RoS. The majority of the HoDs in BT came from Gurtogg/Terron trash though.

Our raid dps jumped by about 3k on last nights kill. I think non-demo Warlock DPS should end up about double what it was pre-patch. Before patch I hovered around 500dps on this fight, was close to 800 with a normal dps rotation and getting hit with a ton of mana drains last night. I didn't go out of my way to throw fire during the frost debuff either last night.

Wow Web Stats

Our first attempt ended with MT dead and someone said their log showed 3 hits in .6 seconds due to parry. So parry-gib does not appear to be completely eliminated. Trouble might be able to corroborate this.

So from one run you can absolutely determine it's been nerfed? Calm down, it's RNG.

Droprate was completely normal for us. Everything absolutely normal, even the double pillager drop was as usual.

We got Boots of the Divine Light in Hyjal and then went to BT and got Boots of the Divine Light, from which I can conclude that all trash epics have been replaced with Boots of the Divine Light.

(We also got 15-20 hearts from a Hyjal+BT clear. Relax.)

Okay, good to hear. Problem was that we didn't just not get any hearts, we didn't get any gems either. With a lot of gems I would've reminded myself that it's just RNG, but with no gems either we were getting plenty upset.

In all the time we've killed Naj'entus and Supremus there's been one very solid and clear pattern. No gems, no hearts, nothing before Naj'entus. As soon as we start clearing Supremus' trash the trickle of gems and hearts immediately starts. This time it didn't, so with Onyxia doing more deep breath and all

Did Shahraz last night and was very easy. Of course we wiped at 20% on first attempt due a double parry MT instagib. Really hope that gets fixed next patch.

I think the fight retains the sense of purpose - while losing most of the ridiculous wipes.

Basically a guild that has defeated this fight will repeat the kill much more readily, with less raid stacking, and less potential headaches (read: easier to swap and farm people with, or easier to simply keep the same raid as you had with RoS).

New guilds will still have to learn this fight, and like all things this will become quicker as the game ages. But ports on the raid will still cause new guilds to falter, and the Main tank still takes a lot of damage. FA-chasers will die, etc.

Overall a guild learning this fight now will be caught in so many less "you lose" situations than before, and soon people will be pretending like they never existed in the first place.

It is an amazing statement for me personally to say that I am looking forward to this fight again next week.

We had our first Raid on Shahraz yesterday night, and more or less expected to spend the whole night there, however, it went a bit different... which ended up in us killing her on our second pull.

I have sadly never done the fight pre-nerf, so I can only imagine how frustrating it was from reading this thread, and we've been a bit scared of her beforehand, which luckily didn't prevent us from trying her as soon as we could hand out 6 Hearts to everyone

Anyway, the cause for our wipe on the first pull was that I died tanking her, on our second try we did not lose anyone until at around ~40%, where we lost 2 players who messed their FA up a bit. In total we had 5 or 6 players dying on our kill attempt (We were using the everyone-in-one spot strategy)

So, from my point of view this seemed a bit overnerfed. Now, I obviously lack a bit of experience with this fight, so I can't say if we just got incredibly lucky with the FA's (I heard on TS at least 2 times that only 1 or 2 players got ported (but I didn't really look around for FA's all the time), and we didn't have a FA directly on the raid), or if this is the new 'intended' way of going.

The fact that the 7th boss in BT is basically free loot now just seems quite odd to me...


Oh just one more thing: Our raid setup was quite normal, we had our usual amount of melee and ranged dps and 8 healers (2 Priests, 2 Druids, 3 Paladins, 1 Shaman)

We did attempts last night with too few healers and found it nearly impossible to guarantee that our tank stayed alive. We didn't have a good raid composition and would have killed her if we did, but I wouldn't call a boss who can put out 25-27k damage in 2 seconds free loot by any means. I can see how it would be pretty easy with stacked healing though.

We were unable to observe any parry haste effects tonight in 10 attempts with both OTs attacking. Perhaps they hotfixed it?

Read your post again... How does she deal out 27k dmg in 2 secs without there being a Parry rape situation?

Why were both OT's attacking? WTF... You read this whole thread right?

To be fair, it was 26.8k in 2.2 seconds and a fairly worst case scenario (melee+lash+melee with CoR, untalented Devotion, no AF/Insp, 5 seconds into a pull with no misdirect where rage issues lost a block).

It wasn't my idea to be attacking, but the understanding was that we would find out pretty quickly if parry wasn't changed. Having tried it and looking over combat logs I don't see her swing timer deviating from ~1.9-2.4 seconds at the time of death regardless of the presence of parries. Certainly nothing like the parry gibs I see in others' WWS reports from the previous night where she attacked twice in less than a second. I feel that if we were experiencing parry hastes we would have blatantly wiped to that at least once instead of other problems.

We got our first kill tonight after spending two days on her the last reset prenerf and getting her to 24%. The fight definitely feels easier, FAs on the raid are much more forgiving, our kill tonight we had 2-3 on the raid and all of our healers had plenty of mana due to shadow priests being able to return a decent amount. What would be bad ports prenerf are very survivable now so its not an automatic lose. We also had a couch port and didn't lose a single person.

I don't know if this posistion has been mentioned before but we just got our first kill a few hours ago (thanks mr. nerfbat). In the kill attempt we chose to tank her at a different posistion with the effect that FA ports were at the two locations i painted red on the screenshot here: www.terj.ch/posis.jpg 99% of the time, only once there was a port to the location i marked blue.

While it is useful information, to say anything within 99% certainty would require well more than 100 observations, and you certainly did not get that in one attempt. I would chalk that up to randomness, not a pattern.

of course, i merely mean in that kill, the screen is from a fraps i made and after reexamining it a few times it really is the truth that all ports except for one were on either one of the red posistions. (sorry for my grammar :x)