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10/09/07, 11:06 PM
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#601
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Glass Joe
Human Priest
Kul Tiras (EU)
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Originally Posted by Nessaja
Been reading through the thread a bit, couldnt really find a precise answer to my questions so here goes:
Are leggings essential to craft? I seem to understand that you craft everything apart from them because of theyre high HoD cost.
If that is the case, should i purchase some "of shadow prot" legs in AH or keep going with the avatar ones? Being a healer, i suppose i can heal the extra damage taken from the FA on myself; but obviously i may be horribly wrong and should follow a different path.
Oh and before i forget, whats the bare minimum i should aim for without gimping myself too badly? Im currently aiming to hit 250 unbuffed for the record.
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You'll be fine. Priests are in my opinion the best class that can get FA port, just pop PoM and start a binding heal spam on the other runners. As somebody suggested you could use a resistance flask to hit the cap, but personaly I would rather use a restoration flask to compensate for the SR gear instead.
Last edited by lone : 10/09/07 at 11:13 PM.
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10/10/07, 12:23 AM
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#602
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Piston Honda
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Is she hitting harder today or do I just have patch day delirium?
She was landing regular hits on me for 8k-8500 tonight with demo/clap no reck, and 10,500 with reck and no demo at the start... Shes never hit me anywhere near that hard. Usually 7k-7500 tops with auto and reck/demo on and like 9k with saber lash without ironshields....
It caught us totally off guard our first try as she immediately hit me for 10,500 twice followed by a beam, ending the attempt in the first few seconds.
Maybe just a fluke? Still two shotted her, the random 8k-9k hits with reck at the same time as a saber lash made it real interesting though.
Last edited by Darkmgl : 10/10/07 at 12:31 AM.
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10/10/07, 7:26 PM
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#603
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Von Kaiser
Troll Mage
Magtheridon (EU)
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Well some suggestions ,
1)Have your shamans using all 4 totems(they can be targeted for FA with 3 shamans that we went you can imagine how easier that is)
2)We were standing all raid in one spot , 1 priest a bit outside so he casts pom to FA'ed people
3)The raid didn't stand close to some wall we stood in the middle of the way (We got 3 unlucky FA's at first pulls with 3 persons getting teleported between the wall and the raid making the raid damage HUGE
4)We used Bracers-belt-back-neck-boots , personally as a mage i used Mage armor and +35res/+18stats flask to hit the cap others used some green rings (30stam/20SR or something like that) or enchanted some old head with +20 SR from Lower City vendor (honored rep required if i remember correctly)
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10/11/07, 11:51 PM
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#604
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Darkmgl
Is she hitting harder today or do I just have patch day delirium?
She was landing regular hits on me for 8k-8500 tonight with demo/clap no reck, and 10,500 with reck and no demo at the start... Shes never hit me anywhere near that hard. Usually 7k-7500 tops with auto and reck/demo on and like 9k with saber lash without ironshields....
It caught us totally off guard our first try as she immediately hit me for 10,500 twice followed by a beam, ending the attempt in the first few seconds.
Maybe just a fluke? Still two shotted her, the random 8k-9k hits with reck at the same time as a saber lash made it real interesting though.
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It feels like the parry change isn't in anymore? Our tank got fucking owned tonight, so hard. We wiped ~8 times with our normal tank, and then went to using a feral tank. Gurtogg got fucked up in the patch right? I have a feeling Shahraz did too. Frusterating.
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10/12/07, 3:10 AM
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#605
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Don Flamenco
Undead Priest
Talnivarr (EU)
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Parry was never "fixed". They said in a later patch they might add a ability to disable parry on her.
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10/12/07, 8:58 PM
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#606
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Von Kaiser
Troll Mage
Magtheridon (EU)
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We have our offtanks /afk infront of her and we killed her for 2nd time today with out any problems (5shamans = win ,noone can fail FA that way :P)
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10/12/07, 9:02 PM
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#607
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Great Tiger
Worgen Druid
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by cladnin
It feels like the parry change isn't in anymore? Our tank got fucking owned tonight, so hard. We wiped ~8 times with our normal tank, and then went to using a feral tank. Gurtogg got fucked up in the patch right? I have a feeling Shahraz did too. Frusterating.
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The parry change was never in, you sir got fucked by RNG 
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10/21/07, 3:04 PM
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#608
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Lightning's Blade
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So aiming for about 250 SR unbuffed across the raid should be fine? We're running into a lack of HoD here as we really only see about 5-10 a week from a Hyjal clear and our regular bosses in BT. At this rate it would take 6 months to cover the 240 HoD required to gear an entire raid group (we kind of blew through BT quickly). I've been buying AH green SR like it's been going out of style. Obviously these aren't as good as the epic versions but should work nearly as good I'm hoping.
So for SR just wanted to get a benchmarked goal so correct me if the following is out of whack:
Raid Member: 250 SR (unbuffed)
MT: 200 SR (unbuffed)
OTs: Max SR
I read someone suggesting chromatic flasks.. are you also using SR armor patches and the rep SR helm enchant?
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10/21/07, 3:50 PM
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#609
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Literally the Worst Raider
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Getting your casters to capped SR should be a priority, otherwise you may have significant issues with mis-timed Silences.
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10/21/07, 4:13 PM
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#610
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Druid
Magtheridon
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Originally Posted by tiberion02
Getting your casters to capped SR should be a priority, otherwise you may have significant issues with mis-timed Silences.
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Thottbot World of Warcraft: Silencing Shriek has a radius of 18 yards around Mother Shahraz. If your casters are getting silenced, they are standing too close.
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10/22/07, 12:58 PM
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#611
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Glass Joe
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With the nerfs to Mother Shaz in 2.2 is this fight not considered a "cock block" for BT anymore?
Our guild just downed RoS yesterday and has all its crafted Shadow gear. What i really want to know is this a 1 night learn kind of fight now or should it take a week?
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10/22/07, 12:59 PM
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#612
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Bald Bull
Orc Death Knight
Talnivarr (EU)
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Enjoy your loot. If your guild has people that aren't retarded (aka you can kill RoS) you can kill Mother in <5-10 pulls.
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10/22/07, 4:47 PM
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#613
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Don Flamenco
Human Rogue
Laughing Skull
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The difference between the current Shahraz and the old Shahraz is basically the difference between the current Gruul and the Gruul immediately after they fixed limited invulnerabilty potions.
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10/22/07, 7:27 PM
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#614
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King Hippo
Orc Hunter
Tarren Mill (EU)
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Originally Posted by Rominus
With the nerfs to Mother Shaz in 2.2 is this fight not considered a "cock block" for BT anymore?
Our guild just downed RoS yesterday and has all its crafted Shadow gear. What i really want to know is this a 1 night learn kind of fight now or should it take a week?
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We just encounted Shahraz and on the 4th try she was dead and I wouldn't even call the first attempt a proper attempt. Parry killed the MT, 26k damage in 2 seconds.
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11/13/07, 6:47 AM
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#615
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Priest
Stormrage (EU)
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Ive been gathering SR around, and once belts are handed out, I will hit 363 with the Shadow Protection buff. This might be a stupid question, but I have never really understood the mechanics of resistance. Will that 2 resistance make a big difference or is it negligible? I seem to understand that reaching the cap is quite a big step up than being under it, even by such a small margin; am I horribly wrong?
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11/13/07, 6:49 AM
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#616
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Don Flamenco
Human Rogue
Laughing Skull
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Originally Posted by Nessaja
Ive been gathering SR around, and once belts are handed out, I will hit 363 with the Shadow Protection buff. This might be a stupid question, but I have never really understood the mechanics of resistance. Will that 2 resistance make a big difference or is it negligible? I seem to understand that reaching the cap is quite a big step up than being under it, even by such a small margin; am I horribly wrong?
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Due to the way Blizzard's resistance system works, 365 resist is hugely more beneficial than 363 resist. Slap a shadow armor patch on something.
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11/13/07, 8:16 AM
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#617
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King Hippo
Orc Hunter
Tarren Mill (EU)
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But you don't necessarily have to reach the cap to beat the encounter, 340 is just fine. I can recommend Flask of Chromatic Wonder, a great flask for this fight and everyone should have one.
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11/15/07, 6:41 AM
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#618
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Hunter
The Maelstrom (EU)
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My guild hasn't reached Shahraz yet, but I still like to keep myself updated on all bosses. I just saw this on WoR as an undocumented change in 2.3:
The teleport deals additional shadowdmg. you'll get 2500 shadowdmg every tick. (2.2 was 750 -> 1500 -> and so on)
Can anyone confirm this?
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11/15/07, 6:47 AM
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#619
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Frostmane (EU)
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We wiped last night on Mother due to a unlucky combo on our Maintank, Shadowbeam+Saberlash+Crushing on MT... But outside that we didnt notice any significant difference on the FA's they were not a problem at all. Though its possible they changed it. But its not gamebreaking at least.
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Solidus Guildmaster of < Security >
This valorous visitation of a bygone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
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11/15/07, 7:06 AM
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#620
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Warrior
Dentarg (EU)
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Mother Shahraz does not crush, that would be a pretty big change.
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11/15/07, 7:20 AM
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#621
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Frostmane (EU)
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Originally Posted by Dots
Mother Shahraz does not crush, that would be a pretty big change.
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Big hit then, its beside the point. In any case. I am asking other people and they also didnt notice a change in the first ticks of the FA. Though my guess is World of Raids would have a reliable source for posting it. It still aint a big change to be worried about.
Edit: Typo.
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Solidus Guildmaster of < Security >
This valorous visitation of a bygone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
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11/15/07, 8:58 AM
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#622
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I didn't do it
Kalroth
Orc Warrior
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by SecSolidus
In any case. I am asking other people and they also didnt notice a change in the first ticks of the FA. Though my guess is World of Raids would have a reliable source for posting it. It still aint a big change to be worried about.
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Looking at a WWS log from this morning it's the same as before patch; 1000/2000/3000/3000/etc. before resists.
Shaman inflating his numbers by FA'ing the raid.
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11/15/07, 12:25 PM
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#623
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
Lightning's Blade
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Originally Posted by Whitemane
We just encounted Shahraz and on the 4th try she was dead and I wouldn't even call the first attempt a proper attempt. Parry killed the MT, 26k damage in 2 seconds.
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We had our first two attempts on Shahraz late last night after getting RoS down for the first time. I don't think everyone really understood the fight too well going in but after almost having the MT instagibbed on the first pull we had something like 65% and 58% wipes, both times from the MT dying in 3-4 seconds from hit / sabre lash / hit. A few people died here and there to FA (no one really had more than 300-310SR) but it didn't seem to be TOO many.. it seems a problem we had was either two people tended to run the same direction and gibbing each other before either reacted, or people weren't topped off before getting the port so they only had ~75% health to begin with. We also didn't have any shadow resist cauldrons which I assume would help a ton with this.
Are there any suggestions to keeping the tank from dying so quickly or is it just the bad end of the RNG? I don't think it was from parries since no one was at her side, but I'm sure having assigned healers just spam the crap out of the MT will help.
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11/15/07, 12:30 PM
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#624
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Great Tiger
Worgen Druid
Dragonblight
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Fairly certain mother's got parry-fixed. I don't have any empirical data but my health wasn't spiking at all last night, and I looked at the combat log after several parries and didn't notice extra swings.
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11/15/07, 3:34 PM
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#625
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Warrior
Stormreaver
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Originally Posted by Machia
So aiming for about 250 SR unbuffed across the raid should be fine? We're running into a lack of HoD here as we really only see about 5-10 a week from a Hyjal clear and our regular bosses in BT. At this rate it would take 6 months to cover the 240 HoD required to gear an entire raid group (we kind of blew through BT quickly). I've been buying AH green SR like it's been going out of style. Obviously these aren't as good as the epic versions but should work nearly as good I'm hoping.
So for SR just wanted to get a benchmarked goal so correct me if the following is out of whack:
Raid Member: 250 SR (unbuffed)
MT: 200 SR (unbuffed)
OTs: Max SR
I read someone suggesting chromatic flasks.. are you also using SR armor patches and the rep SR helm enchant?
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I don't wear any SR when I tank Mother. Never had any problems without it. The only thing to be careful for is if you get an FA port on top of the tank you will be taking extra damage so be ready to pop a cooldown.
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