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Old 08/23/07, 8:37 PM   #401
Austin
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Gnome Mage
 
Silver Hand
Originally Posted by Caligula View Post
The other night, before a Hydross pull, one of our paladins put our tank on autofollow for a minute while he adjusted his in game bars.

We use the invis pot strat...
This happened to us last week as well...but the paladin didn't realize that we were using the Invisibility potion strategy...yeah, that was a quick wipe.

Austin, 85 Mage - Austyn, 83 Death Knight - Austen, 85 Rogue - Talros, 85 Feral Druid

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Old 08/23/07, 9:35 PM   #402
Kaber
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Tauren Druid
 
Stormreaver
This was in the middle of a BWL raid he was off-tanking for. I wasn't in vent to hear it, but they didn't stop making fun of him the entire night.



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Old 08/23/07, 9:42 PM   #403
lizard
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Draenei Shaman
 
Wrathbringer (EU)
fun things

about 2 years ago, when we were trying onyxia, i went over to my guild master's house to see how he was doing (i wasn't invited to the raid and he lives just 10min away). so i was sitting next to him and watching him play. in phase 3, he gets an unlucky fear, runs behind ony and awwwwaaaaaayyyy he goes, right into the whelp cave. so i start yelling "run back and tell the mages to bomb!" and he is like "no wai! ill run further into the cave so that the whelps won't aggro the rest of the raid!". he was a priest and with shield + renew he got pretty far. 10 seconds later, the raid was annihalated by an epic mob of whelps -.-

oh and another thing: about a year ago, we were doing a twink run on aq20. cleared all except the giant wasp thing and waiting for a mage who switched on his main for this boss. after some time, the mage is like "i think i aggroed some bugs..." so we all turn around, i switch to tank equip so i can challenge-shout and we wait... imagine the gnome mage appearing on his rusty strider. imagine the horizon getting black behind him... the scene was very similar to the one from "starship troopers" where a marine base is overrun by bugs. i still can't imagine where the mage managed to get so many, they seemed more than there were in the entire instance! well, i did challenge-shout and was dead 2 secs after it

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Old 08/24/07, 8:49 AM   #404
anathor
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Karazhan (EU)
Originally Posted by Kaber View Post
This was in the middle of a BWL raid he was off-tanking for. I wasn't in vent to hear it, but they didn't stop making fun of him the entire night.
This is the best so far. Not only did I really LOL, but I have to try that one some day. I also like the poise of the guildies when he logs back: "it must be broken. try again". Excellent.

Re: the crazy AoE pulls, indeed they always work... the first time. For whatever it always works when done by mistake or in the heat of the moment, but never when you try do it well-prepared, in a controlled manner.

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Old 08/24/07, 9:18 AM   #405
Valerys
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Last night we were in SSC swapping out some people. One of our mages makes a portal to Shattrath for those who were leaving. He then /says "help with summon" and sure enough, a few other people click on the portal and end up in Shattrath. In the end we just all went to repair.

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Old 08/24/07, 9:20 AM   #406
Valerys
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Anedris View Post
DI is indeed NOT a threat wipe. It takes you out of combat but once clicked off mobs will remember you as soon as you do anything and you'll get all your aggro back.
I usually DI one of our dps warriors on Void Reaver when he's at 50%, seems to clear their threat (and mine :P) well enough...

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Old 08/24/07, 10:00 AM   #407
f1reburn
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Scarshield Legion (EU)
I remember the first time we went for Tidewalker, noone in our raid group had experience with the Murloc trash mobs in the corridor before Tidewalker's room. We had quite a caster oriented raid with 4 Mages and 4 Warlocks and, cocky as we were, the raid leader just said: "What the heck, let's just aoe them."

Needless to say we wiped, with multiple Murlocs casting Tranquility.

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Old 08/24/07, 10:13 AM   #408
Marroc
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Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by Valerys View Post
I usually DI one of our dps warriors on Void Reaver when he's at 50%, seems to clear their threat (and mine :P) well enough...
We just soulstone him, and let him suicide.

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Old 08/24/07, 10:20 AM   #409
Stangg
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by f1reburn View Post
I remember the first time we went for Tidewalker, noone in our raid group had experience with the Murloc trash mobs in the corridor before Tidewalker's room. We had quite a caster oriented raid with 4 Mages and 4 Warlocks and, cocky as we were, the raid leader just said: "What the heck, let's just aoe them."

Needless to say we wiped, with multiple Murlocs casting Tranquility.
In my old guild we had a similar first experience on that trash, except instead of wiping the majority of dps died and the remaining healers, tanks and few dps took a good 20 minutes to kill the pack. I think what was even more stupid was that instead of all the dps running back and helping, we just opened up a poker window and had a few hands while we waited.

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Old 08/24/07, 10:22 AM   #410
Rithny
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Argent Dawn
Two weeks ago we were attempting Archimonde, closing in our kill. Except for the time one of our hunters crater'd. His excuse?

"I had fraps on and wanted to look cool by hitting it really close to the ground."

It was pretty funny and I know he'll go crazy seeing it posted here.

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Old 08/24/07, 10:50 AM   #411
 Daler
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Troll Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Beliandra View Post
Never seen anyone earn himself a "thanks, but no thanks" to an application so easily.
Oh, I have.

A holy pally applicant at my former raiding guild (who was recruiting holy pallies) had an applicant write in his application something to the effect of "I really want to get into your guild if guild X doesn't take me."

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I look forward to seeing these "numbers". Notice that I put the word numbers in quotations. Thats sassy type for "you're full of shit".
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Nothing spells out attraction quite like being given books about the slaughter of your people.

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Old 08/24/07, 11:43 AM   #412
 Falk
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Falk
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Originally Posted by Anedris View Post
DI is indeed NOT a threat wipe. It takes you out of combat but once clicked off mobs will remember you as soon as you do anything and you'll get all your aggro back.
What? If you have any information that elaborates/evidences this, I'd be really really glad to hear it. My understanding was anything that takes you out of combat clears you off threat tables, and when you get back in combat, it starts again from zero. This would include vanish, feign death, dying, DI, even zoning out of the instance (on non-raid-bosses, obviously :P) or logging off for a sufficient amount of time that your character depopulates off the server.

That's merely based off gut feelings playing the game for a long time, of course.

Edit: reread that portion of thread properly. I guess it's time to do some tests!

Last edited by Falk : 08/24/07 at 11:50 AM.

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Old 08/25/07, 3:07 PM   #413
constantius
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Shadowsong
I'm with falkon -- BoP is a temporary threat remover in the sense that it will force a mob to stop physically attacking you (but does nothing for incoming magic damage), while DI is a full, 100% threat dump, actually removing you from combat. To do that it actually strips you from the mob's threat table.

So when you click it off ... the mob knows nothing about you. The experiences we've had with DI wouldn't make any sense otherwise. DI the tank on Leotheras while he's tanking (warlock tank, with 7 stacks) ... he gets threat reset to 0, and Leo definitely does *not* return to him when he clicks off the DI.

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Old 08/25/07, 5:21 PM   #414
Anedris
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Steamwheedle Cartel
I'm probably in error about the DI thing then, I just hadn't noticed Leo wandering when the DI was done, but that portion of the fight is rather chaotic and I'm not usually healing the demon tank so I could easily have missed it. (A few comments in the Leo thread seemed to suggest that it wasn't a threat wipe either, but without having done any testing I'm going to assume you're right as it does make sense.)

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Old 08/26/07, 12:15 AM   #415
Kazanir
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Go look at Thottbot World of Warcraft: Divine Intervention which is the DI spell description. Notice that it triggers the "Sanctuary" effect, which is a full threat-wipe. I thought we had this figured out back when we talked about Aspect of Arlokk back in November. :x

Edit: Sanctuary is the same effect that is used by Vanish and Invisibility. Seems pretty clear.

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Old 08/26/07, 5:12 AM   #416
Pirunnyrkki
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Chromaggus (EU)
Back in springtime one of our paladins had a habit of casting BoP/DI on the main tank. First time it was when we working on our first Nightbane kill prior to it getting nerfed to oblivion and when you practically had to BoP the rain of bones target to have a shot at a kill. So during the course of the night he'd once BoP the main tank during flight, resulting in swarm of skeletons, effectively wiping the raid. This was just however the beginning, for the first time we made it through the third flight phase everyone alive and in good shape, he decides to DI the main tank at 20%. We did get the kill eventually though.

Sometime later we were killing pre-nerf Gruul and were finally looking at a kill. Everything was going well until about 20%, when the same paladin managed to BoP the main tank when he tried to shield himself from cave-in. We got the kill the next try but by this time everyone was so frustrated with this guy's performance so he was let go despite our terrible shortage of active paladins at the time.

Other memorable events from our history of raiding:

- One of our hunters feigned after a wipe on Fankriss and then realized you get Brood of Nozdormu reputation from killing the soldiers in the tunnel. By this time most people are zoning in and this hunter aggroes Fankriss to get himself killed, resulting in the temple doors behind Skeram closing down. People got quite frustrated after this chain of events and we had to call it a night.

- Same hunter naming his pet after our rogue GM, causing SW Stats to add rogue's damage to our hunter as his pet. Some hilarity ensued after this was revealed to be the reason this hunter was dominating the meters.

- After killing Huhuran one of our prot warriors positioned himself somewhere out of sight in the room and went AFK. First Anubisath Defender pull didn't go that well and we ended up wiping. Said warrior comes back just as the last person before him dies and cheers loudly over Vent "I survived!!!" just as the Defender beelines at the speed of light through walls to gib him.

- We had had BWL on farm for ages and I was controlling Razorgore with everything going as planned until I somewhat screwed up with Fireball Volley. We'd typically use this when there were a few eggs remaining to get load of the kiters. Anyway I cast the volley and proceed to destroy the remaining eggs, however the orb timer runs out and all the aggro caused by the volley gets dumped on me. After the ensuing chaos someone managed to destroy the remaining eggs and we get into Phase 2 with about half the raid alive.

- Once we were killing Bug Family when you could still zone into an instance while a boss encounter was in progress. So some people die to whatever reason and run back in. Vem ends up targeting the people at the entrance during the encounter and evades back to 100% THREE times. We however keep on going and eventually Vem seems to be dying. Suddenly our tanks start dropping like flies and we figured we ran into an enrage timer. The fight had lasted at least 20 minutes at that point.

- One of our rogues had huge problems with Frogger in Naxx. He'd die numerous times but one incident struck out amongst them. We were learning Thaddius and this guy manages to kill himself twice in a row on the same run in after a wipe. Third time he zones in he refuses to try again and just asks for a summon.

- We were clearing the dragonkin in Feralas so we could pull Emeriss. One paladin uses Barov Peasant Caller on one of the drakes, however one of the servants decides to go for Emeriss instead and aggroes him. If I recall correctly we somehow got things under control anyway and didn't wipe on that occasion.

[edit] Bug family story had some factual errors.

Last edited by Pirunnyrkki : 08/26/07 at 6:03 AM.

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Old 08/26/07, 6:40 PM   #417
PSGarak
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Hyjal
So ZG has The Tiger AoE pull, one of my favorite parts of the instance. We did tiger boss last, right before hakkar, and I say in /ra that I'm going to go pull the tigers on my mount and run back to them. Apparently no one else thinks the tiger pull is fun because they're all on hakkar's little island buffing up and whatnot. Of course, I didn't find this out until I run all the way over there with the entire tiger pack in tow, and a few other pulls I managed to pick up because I'm runny away quickly instead of carefully. Someone heals me from the axe throws I had taken, and then starts wondering why they're in combat...
I lived, the healer didn't.

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Old 08/26/07, 9:44 PM   #418
Karoshi
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Gul'dan (EU)
Today I hit BoP when I tried to put BoF on the tank when we did Lady Vashj. It sure is a threat wipe... ask the warlocks...


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Old 08/26/07, 10:09 PM   #419
Skulli
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Talnivarr (EU)
BoP a threat wipe? Dou you mean DI maybe?

I guess mt just lost aggro while bop was active and when somebody was above 100% threat without pulling aggro before, then the mt will have a hard time to get aggro back since he will need like 110%/130% threat then.

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Old 08/26/07, 10:35 PM   #420
constantius
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BoP is not a threat wipe, but while it is active, the tank is immune to physical damage, so Vashj will run off and beat on her next highest target. It's not a *wipe*, it's a temporary removal from the table of a physical-damage-dealing mob.

If you BoP the warlock tank on Leo or Capernian, it doesn't dump threat -- the immunity is not to magic, so as far as the mob cares, nothing changes.

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Old 08/26/07, 10:55 PM   #421
Fiola
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Human Paladin
 
Skywall
Originally Posted by Karoshi View Post
Today I hit BoP when I tried to put BoF on the tank when we did Lady Vashj. It sure is a threat wipe... ask the warlocks...
Remember that only one blessing can be active per paladin, so if you notice the BoP right away, you can bless something (like Freedom) to clear BoP and pray that the MT regains aggro.

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Old 08/26/07, 11:07 PM   #422
Synik
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
The Forgotten Coast
I used to play a mage before I switched servers and rolled horde, but one day we were doing MC. This was back when arcane missiles was bugged and if you changed targets while casting your spell would keep casting no matter how far your target was.

So we're clearing to Gehennas and I tried to tab target one of the lava spawns from the firelord but of course I got the destroyer pack. And to top it off while frantically trying to click off the destroyer I got Garr. So I pulled Garr plus his adds, 4 destroyers, 2 dogs, and 2 annihilators all from about 200 yards.

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Old 08/27/07, 2:56 AM   #423
Sando
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Barthilas
Originally Posted by Eylirria View Post
Malchezaar classics: Priest dies because he used SWeath while enfeebled. DPS warrior stays in a couple more seconds in before running out of shadow nova, starts running, defensive stance, intervene... back to the MT.
I swear i tested this the first time we saw Prince, this was way back, we were in Kara really early before the guild broke up, and i swear i tested to see if SWD would kill you while enfeebled, i tried it and didn't die. So my theory was that it remembered your old health, and any non-boss dmg would just be taken off that when you went back up to normal health levels. So we get to prince a month or so later, i'm happilly SWDing away not worrying about enfeeble, get enfeebled and funnily enough get gibbed. The raid laugh at me and call me a moron, and my excuses didn't really avail me much

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Old 08/27/07, 6:16 AM   #424
Valerys
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Marroc View Post
We just soulstone him, and let him suicide.
I raid as retribution spec, so DIing a dps warrior clears both our threat, which is quite useful.

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Old 08/27/07, 8:30 AM   #425
Mem
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Orc Shaman
 
Blackrock (EU)
BOPing the tank seems to be a neverending story. Got another BOP while tanking Vashj in phase 3 on saturday. Got her back after clicking the blessing off (I really get practise in doing this quickly...)

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