After engaging in lots of illegal drug use before our BWL raid, I was in awe of how everything looked in Razorgore's room. At first I was just jumping around like an idiot while spinning my screen around to trip myself out. The raid was buffing and I was bored. My eyes quickly gravitated towards the shiny orb with the channelers all around it. I just had to see what was going on so I ran up the ramp and tried to click on the orb.
/aggro
/raidwipe
Even until this day I still laugh about how angry everyone was.
Which brings me to my second point... making people angry in this game is way more fun then anything (even if it's because one does something completely uncalled for and idiotic).
First night of solid attempts on Heigan and things are going worse than expected. People just weren't dancing very well, and precious few were surviving the teleports to the side hallway. Good attempts were few and far between, but one attempt starts to look particularly good. Below 50% and most of the raid is still alive... below 30% and still in pretty good shape.... 20% still looking good... 15% and out of nowhere this huge wall of mobs comes flooding through the doorway, instant wipe. Vent rings out with cries of "WTF just happened?!"
Turns out one of our newer guildies had gone afk in Noth's room and had decided to catch up with the rest of the group after getting back to keys. He ran into the "gauntlet" before Heigan's room, got himself killed and managed to aggro that entire hallway onto the raid. I'll never forget that wall of mobs flooding into Heigan's room. /cringe
Inignot: And remember, there's no such thing as a dumb question.
Happy Time Harry: I have a question.
Inignot: Yes, in the back, the retard with the dumb question.
Recently we had every priest in the raid fall into the gap between the pipe and the walkway near the Lurker console. First the classleader fell in, then another priest fell in trying to res him, then another one fell in trying to res that one, then to top it all off, a shadowpriest jumped in on purpose for the hell of it.
We'd been killing Lurker for a while, and while I'd seen people complain about the gap, we'd had no issues. I wasn't actually even sure where it was - we certainly hadn't lost anyone to it. I have to admit, I felt a few small twinges of superiority over that.
Then, one raid, we're tooling along just fine when...a paladin falls through, gets confused, swims the wrong direction, and dies UNDER the walkway. Um...hmm. "What a nub. Someone go rez him, k?"
A priest runs over, but can't get line of sight. They edge a bit closer, a bit closer...and fall in. They at least die in easy line of sight, but this is starting to get absurd. Not surprisingly we're starting to crack up on vent, including the second paladin who runs over to rez the priest. In fact, they're laughing so hard they fall in too.
This was just getting sad. We manage to get the priest and the second paladin rezzed without further mishaps, but the first paladin is still out of line of sight. We develop a cunning plan - a shaman will use water walking to run down and rez the paladin; we'll heal the paladin from the walkway so he'll survive the swim back to safety. This might well have worked if a hunter, trying to get a better view, hadn't managed to fall on the shaman, spawning fish, which then aggroed the shaman and took care of his water walking. Frantic healing from the raid managed to save the shaman, but not the hunter - and the paladin was STILL under the damn walkway!
At this point, I'd had enough. I couldn't believe how many deaths we'd had. "Alright, everyone just stop moving. I'll rez the paladin. Honestly guys, could we make any more mistakes?"
In retrospect, asking that question was just tempting fate. I promptly body aggroed the next pull of mobs, which swarmed us without any preparation. During the confusion, the paladin ran back.
All I'm going to say is... as main tank I've had my sit key unbound for a few months now. I'm pretty sure you all can guess why!
My sit key and my push to talk on vent were the same button for about a week of tanking, oops.
In MC we did the whole pull gheddon/Shaz to Garr's room. Every once and awhile a hunter would pull a boss with a dog or lava pack, well one hunter somehow managed to pull Gheddon, Shaz, 2 lava packs and a dog. We died pretty darn fast.
Back in our MC days we had a hunter who wouldn't use feign death. He claimed that "It's the tanks job to hold aggro, feign death cuts into my DPS time."
The problem with that, is that if they aren't repaired, then they're now either effectively naked or close to it, and now your raid can't go on until that's fixed. Solvable, I suppose, if you take the long view. Yes, your raid is now cooling its heals for the time it takes to either hearth, repair, and fly back, or to replace that raider with a guildie waiting at the entrance. But you can also give that person a "strike" - they're that much less likely to be invited to the next raid.
I just carry a couple of extra bots and drop another one. ~10g for bot mats is trivial compared to 25 people waiting for someone to hearth and repair.
What really annoys me is when people run off somewhere to repair and make us wait 5 minutes because "oh, I didn't want to waste a bot just for me". This is when I unload my patented "I only keep this useless profession so I can drop bots to save time for the raid" rant, which tends to embarass the offender enough to prevent repeats while also providing some good entertainment for the rest of the raid.
My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.
My sit key and my push to talk on vent were the same button for about a week of tanking, oops.
In MC we did the whole pull gheddon/Shaz to Garr's room. Every once and awhile a hunter would pull a boss with a dog or lava pack, well one hunter somehow managed to pull Gheddon, Shaz, 2 lava packs and a dog. We died pretty darn fast.
I had a hunter by the name of Taranna do that for us, too. His explanation was that he didn't see Geddon, so he just pulled the only boss he saw.
We just wiped on Teron Gorefiend because one player couldn't kill a single Construct.....they were all at 90% hp when all four of them ran into the raid at 100% speed. The explanation was that using keybinds confused him (he's a clicker). He was trying to click with his mouse and with use his keybinds at the same time and couldn't do either.
A new one linked to attunements: if you need attunement to BT and get a raid to kill Karathress just for you, don't forget to do the quest chain first.
The positive (and informational) aspect is that I can now confirm that Olum doesn't despawn as long as there are people in SSC, at least he stayed for more than one hour for sure. Probably would stay until soft reset - I'm pointing this out because we had problems to find reliable information on this on the web.
Had a series of stupid wipes last night on Solarian (our first night on her), one of which was particularily amusing. Just after the warlock CL announced in the lock channel that blowing up the raid would result in a 15dkp fine, the very next attempt he managed to do just that, but at least he accepted the fine like a man. However, despite the stupid wipes, eventually people started paying attention and we managed to get a relatively clean kill.
Sounds like our raidleading rogue who grilled someone for being burned by Illidan's eyebeam only to be the first do die on the next try.
In my old guild, we used to invis pot pull Hydross. Now, the tank was one we had to guide through everything mainly. He usually just stood on top of Hydross waiting for the pot to turn off and we just let it like that, trying to explain him to use an offensive AoE ability or turn the buff off would be too time consuming.
He uses the 2 different ranks of the pot since they are on a different cooldown, so between us healers, its always abit of a gamble how soon you can start running in to heal him.
Anyway, we've been using this for a long long time but I suppose someone had a blackout (or wasent him playing his char) since he just blindly followed the MT -who was invisibile-, leading to a very very quick wipe.
I scold him abit and announce that the next person to mess up a hydross pull (people were being idiots and overagroing on him alot that night) would be fined.
Next pull, our MT used the long duration invis pot and I had to fine myself.
In my old guild, we used to invis pot pull Hydross. Now, the tank was one we had to guide through everything mainly. He usually just stood on top of Hydross waiting for the pot to turn off and we just let it like that, trying to explain him to use an offensive AoE ability or turn the buff off would be too time consuming.
He uses the 2 different ranks of the pot since they are on a different cooldown, so between us healers, its always abit of a gamble how soon you can start running in to heal him.
Anyway, we've been using this for a long long time but I suppose someone had a blackout (or wasent him playing his char) since he just blindly followed the MT -who was invisibile-, leading to a very very quick wipe.
I scold him abit and announce that the next person to mess up a hydross pull (people were being idiots and overagroing on him alot that night) would be fined.
Next pull, our MT used the long duration invis pot and I had to fine myself.
The stupid thing someone is doing here is waiting for the pot to expire... just attack Hydross and get on with life =/
As I said, he's been proven so hard to learn new stuff (took me almost 3 weeks to get him to use shield bash more then a few times in a fight) that we just couldnt bother. The first time he took the pot he just stood there and said in /ra "euh guys, hydross dissapeared".
Off topic, but I dont want to harm the tank too much: At starters, he was horrible. So horrible that noone even wanted to do any heroic with him. We'r still not sure who actually promoted him to member actually. Anyway, alot of people wanted to see him kicked but the GM refused because his extreme devotion and attendancy (I think he's hit 100% for almost a year now with 2-3 weeks off due to work trips). After 6 months he began to learn his class and he is now in fact a rather decent tank who has the advantage of always being there when you need him. Though still rather hard to learn new stuff. Back when I was explaining Karathress positions, I bought 10 flares to be able to mark his position each pull.
Anyway, sorry for the OT, but I had to play the Devil's Advocate for him abit.
We had a hunter accidentally pull Vael when his "cat jumped on the keyboard". Also, as well as the crack of doom in SSC, I've seen many people fall straight through a similar hole where the walkway begins as you leave the cave from Leo's side. And today, I killed myself on Shahraz after accepting a combat res that landed me on top of someone with Fatal Attraction, heh.
I had never raided. In fact, I leveled to 70 pretty much only instancing with a druid tank. Typically the pull would go fairy fire-I ambush-backstab-druid taunts. Taunt immune mobs were few and far between in instances and his threat curve was good enough it wasn't a big deal. No one explained this wasn't how dps worked elsewhere. So I get into my first raid, Karazhan.
First charger pull I ambush, steal aggro and die.
The next time I wait a little longer, ambush, steal aggro and vanish. Okay, it wasn't a fluke.
The third time I try to garotte. Nothing happens, we all live, but I feel there should be *some* opening move I can only do from stealth.
The fourth time I cheap shot a stable hand, someone else gets aggro and they die.
Man, that was a disappointing day to be a rogue.
I also hadn't respec'ed from my leveling Subtlety build, and I tab-targeted and shadow stepped as an AoE pack came in. To one of the knife throwers, who was standing in the middle of the room.
"BAMPH!"
*sound of two other groups of party guests suddenly being very angry*
"SPLAT!"
/ra whoops.
There was also the day in Alar where we were killing an add when A'lar quills. We successfully stop dps with 1% health left to go on the add and all breath a sigh of relief. A'lar finally breaks for the platform next to where the add is being tanked. The tank charges up the ramp... and explodes, along with his healer. Seems the add tank decided that since the quill was over it was time to finish the add off: one auto attack later and poof!
Last night we were a bit melee heavy for Al'ar. The rogues, holy-specced-ret-for-fun-paly, other DPS warrior and druid tank were doing plenty of damage and already nothing to do between adds, leaving me to spam demo shout. The adds get so low that the druid can't even tank doing anything except the bear version of demo, so I'm kinda bored.
So I stand in the center with all the ranged, looking up at Al'ar wishing I had brought arrows instead of bullets. I intercept him and end up just standing directly under his current platform. He moves to the next platform, and I intercept again. I don't just stop under that platform though, I go flying across the room, up the ramp and right on top of him. But he's not there anymore. He's up in the air quilling my sorry ass. I try to jump off, but die just before I hit the ground.
Had anything been going through my mind except "wtf?" repeatedly, I might've had the insight to scream out "LEEEEROY" on vent and make my death a bit amusing, instead of just stupid.
We had a hunter accidentally pull Vael when his "cat jumped on the keyboard". Also, as well as the crack of doom in SSC, I've seen many people fall straight through a similar hole where the walkway begins as you leave the cave from Leo's side. And today, I killed myself on Shahraz after accepting a combat res that landed me on top of someone with Fatal Attraction, heh.
This reminds me of our MT back on Ony. We had Ony on farm, only really did it so people could complete T2 for some reason. But we're doing Ony, and at about 90% our MT just dies, which is rediculous, i could quite happily solo heal him for pretty much the entire fight, another tank quickly picks up aggro and we go on. But he dies, and vent erupts with him, "#*&% idiots, how did you let me die, you guys SUCK"..."Alright, well hurry the &^%* up and give me a battle res". He get's Bressed, and this was when Bres made you res where you died, so he immediately accepts and gets hit by a flame breath. At this point, noone in vent is game to speak, until about 5 seconds late a quiet and restrained 'f*&*' comes over vent, at which point everyone just cracks up laughing.
A few weeks ago in BT, our MT forgot to switch his ghost keybindings from Terron to his rage dumping macros for RoS phase 3. Needless to say tanking RoS phase 3 in berserker stance is never a good idea.
First alar kill, we were holding adds down at the bottom for the beginning of p2. Me and one other druid were getting them all gathered and to low health. After the other druid has them all, I go out into the raid and start picking up the adds from p2 that are spawning. Well, at one point, one got loose from the other druid, was in the raid right on top of where a meteor just hit. Charge it, autoattack, kaboom.
11/08/07, 3:37 PM
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