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Old 05/13/08, 8:44 PM   #2551
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Given that they've already used Tyrigosa ingame, I think Blizzard is pretty on top of these things.. and if they need any kind of mediator between the blue dragonflight and Dalaran, I doubt they'd skip over the opportunity to use Tyrigosa and Kalecgos.

I, for one, am looking forward to the Doom Lord Azuregos outdoor raid...

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Old 05/13/08, 10:09 PM   #2552
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Not Doom Lord Azuregos dear Liebstod, Magic Emperor Azuregos!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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Old 05/14/08, 5:20 AM   #2553
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Malygos isn't insane. I remember from one of the books that magic use draws "evil beings" from the "outer reaches" or something like but not limited to the Burning Legion to a world. Malygos wants to protect the world and the rampant magic use actually let's Azeroth be a glowing beacon in whatever spectral outside realm this stuff happens. So he tries to dampen the magic use and thus shield the world.

His motive is not evil, nor is he insane. Just his approach is a bit heavy handed and in direct violation of the red flight's prime motives.

I'm pretty much certain he can be reasoned with and does not need to be killed in the end, but we shall see.

At least that's what I remember from some hints in the books. I could be very wrong here though as my memory is a bit hazy on this part but I believe I remember having read something about magic use draws evil beings to a world.

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Old 05/14/08, 5:42 AM   #2554
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post

I, for one, am looking forward to the Doom Lord Azuregos outdoor raid...

Azuregos the Mad! Would be nice to see if he regains his sanity, though I did love his ramblings in the blue sceptre quest line.

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The best part is, not only were you late in linking it, that's an April fools topic from 6 months ago.

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Old 05/14/08, 12:21 PM   #2555
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Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
At least that's what I remember from some hints in the books. I could be very wrong here though as my memory is a bit hazy on this part but I believe I remember having read something about magic use draws evil beings to a world.
Magic use attracts the Burning Legion, but it seems unlikely they would suddenly forget the position of Azeroth just because magic usage was reduced, so Malygos might be some thousands years too late.

Of course heavy magic use is also involved in actually brining the Burning Legion to Azeroth (like consuming the Sunwell to get Kiljaeden here in 2.4), so in that matter removing magic from mortal races might have a point.

Its like Illidans "Hey, if i destroy half of Azeroth maybe Ill kill the Lich King too!"

One interesting bit of information about Maylgos was that the nether dragons should have helped 'healing' him. But the nether dragons are also supposed to be leftovers from Deathwing, maybe it will turn out the netherdragons was really just his plan to corrupt Malygos

In the end, Ill have to see us not killing Malygos for epics before I believe it wont happen.

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Old 05/14/08, 1:33 PM   #2556
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I'm curious though, if simply using magic attracts all sorts of nasties wouldn't bringing all of the world's magic fields to one place and blasting it into the Twisting Nether (where the baddies hang out) be even worse?

Now Malygos uses the Arcanomicon to locate and tap into the ley lines, diverting the magical powers that course beneath the earth to his home base in Northrend, the Nexus. Once harnessed, the energies are focused through the Nexus' ascending rings and blasted into the Twisting Nether.
Or maybe this will be a plot point, that in his quest to get rid of the magic everyone is abusing Malygos is actually making the problem worse. *shrug*

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Old 05/14/08, 2:12 PM   #2557
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My original thought when they announced the Malygos plotline was that we would wind up doing something similar to the Kalecgos fight in Sunwell - rather than slaying the dragon, Alexstrasza would step in and show him the reality of what he was doing, he'd announce an end to his mad campaign to stop magic use and ally with the mortals against the Scourge, we'd get a bag of "phat lewts" for our trouble, and there'd be no need to actually kill an Aspect. *shrug* We'll have to see which direction Blizz takes it, but I certainly hope we don't have to actually take him down. That being said, they've laid the foundation lore-wise for the possibility of Aspects being killed - Nozdormu knows the exact moment of his death, for example.

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Old 05/14/08, 2:41 PM   #2558
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And the time for Neltharion is overdue...

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Old 05/14/08, 7:36 PM   #2559
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Originally Posted by thedopefishlives View Post
My original thought when they announced the Malygos plotline was that we would wind up doing something similar to the Kalecgos fight in Sunwell - rather than slaying the dragon, Alexstrasza would step in and show him the reality of what he was doing, he'd announce an end to his mad campaign to stop magic use and ally with the mortals against the Scourge, we'd get a bag of "phat lewts" for our trouble, and there'd be no need to actually kill an Aspect. *shrug* We'll have to see which direction Blizz takes it, but I certainly hope we don't have to actually take him down. That being said, they've laid the foundation lore-wise for the possibility of Aspects being killed - Nozdormu knows the exact moment of his death, for example.
However, Blizzard hasn't really given a possibility for the world to survive with an Aspect's death. They are the pillars of Azeroth and I was under the impression that killing the Aspect's would spell doom for Azeroth. I took Nozdormu saying that he knows the exact moment of his death as being the exact moment of the death of Azeroth.

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Old 05/14/08, 8:14 PM   #2560
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Originally Posted by RpgWizard View Post
However, Blizzard hasn't really given a possibility for the world to survive with an Aspect's death. They are the pillars of Azeroth and I was under the impression that killing the Aspect's would spell doom for Azeroth. I took Nozdormu saying that he knows the exact moment of his death as being the exact moment of the death of Azeroth.
Eh, I think it's heavily implied that nothing would happen. After all, apparently a lot of people believe that Deathwing is dead.

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Old 05/14/08, 9:26 PM   #2561
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Originally Posted by RpgWizard View Post
However, Blizzard hasn't really given a possibility for the world to survive with an Aspect's death. They are the pillars of Azeroth and I was under the impression that killing the Aspect's would spell doom for Azeroth. I took Nozdormu saying that he knows the exact moment of his death as being the exact moment of the death of Azeroth.
Unless WoWWiki is mistaken, Anachronos is supposed to be the heir apparent to Nozdormu.

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Old 05/14/08, 9:40 PM   #2562
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post
Eh, I think it's heavily implied that nothing would happen. After all, apparently a lot of people believe that Deathwing is dead.
Believing to be dead and actually being dead are 2 different things. ^_^

But yes, for all intents and purposes the Aspects can die, and they have heirs to their respective flights planned out in case they do kick the bucket.

However while they're alive they can wreak havoc on the environment that they govern.

See: Deathwing's corruption and his affect on the Azeroth's Earth.

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Old 05/14/08, 11:23 PM   #2563
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Originally Posted by Jebraltar View Post
Unless WoWWiki is mistaken, Anachronos is supposed to be the heir apparent to Nozdormu.
Just because you are heir apparent doesn't mean the powers transfer or Azeroth isn't harmed in some way. From what I know there is no lore explaining what happens when an aspect dies, only people making things up themselves.

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Old 05/14/08, 11:29 PM   #2564
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Believing to be dead and actually being dead are 2 different things. ^_^
Well, yea, but presumably if it's commonly-held that the world would be destroyed by the Aspects dying, then we'd know they're not dead given the fact that the world hasn't been destroyed.

One could refute the "common knowledge" assumption, but that's a stretch. Oh well.. I think it's unlikely that you'll kill Malygos anyways, I think a dev said as much. Deathwing someday, maybe..

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Old 05/14/08, 11:31 PM   #2565
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While they might have heirs, I don't think anything points toward those heirs being as powerful (given to the aspects by the titans).
When you make some beings guardians, one might assume they had to guard/protect something, and if they didnt, stuff would go wrong.
Maybe not the end of the world wrong, but wrong.
Like Deathwing being the Aspect of the earth, being killed, might allow the rest of the old gods get out of their prisons.
Deathwing being aspect of earth in the first place means him going insane actually makes more sense than in many other cases in Warcraft lore, since he was close to the old gods, whether that explanation was intended or not. Just like Malygos going evil would somewhat make perfect sense, since magic in Warcraft is always supposed to be corruptive. Which is why Azeroth need a guardian for magic in the first place I guess, and he failed quite terribly at it, even before he went insane.
Ysera dying would maybe up the rate of animals/wildlife going insane (the poor bastards might get nightmares :O), and who knows, druids too.
Nozdormus death might open up for random time issues (or maybe just more instances for us in CoT :P), like people popping up where they shouldn't be etc.

I guess you could say the death of an aspect would have serious consequences for Azeroth, IF the Aspects were actually doing their jobs. Nozdormu seems to be the only one doing his for the last 10000 years in the lore. All the others pretty much just watched while the Elfs started summoning the Burning Legion (partly due to Deathwing, but not only that, the dragons are throughout the lore shown as being very removed from the world they were meant to guard).
So the effect of a dead Aspect is probably how Azeroth is already, maybe just times two or something, since most of the aspects have failed so much that they might jsut as well have been dead
Pure speculation of course, havent seen Metzen state anything in that regard, but the Aspects being quite careless about the world seems to be intended at least.

Maybe the death of an aspect will be used as the lead in to the given return of titans later (When we finally do run out of other bad-asses). Their response to Azeroths current situation might make Malygos 'War on Magic' look friendly in comparison.

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Old 05/15/08, 1:30 AM   #2566
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Eh, I think it's heavily implied that nothing would happen. After all, apparently a lot of people believe that Deathwing is dead.
The sequence between Overlord Mor'ghor and Lady Sinestra on Netherwing Ledge proves otherwise though.

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Old 05/15/08, 1:35 AM   #2567
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The sequence between Overlord Mor'ghor and Lady Sinestra on Netherwing Ledge proves otherwise though.

Lady Sinestra - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
Actually, that's exactly what I'm basing my argument on. Obviously Deathwing is alive from what she says, but Mor'ghor is the only person so far afaik who's actually stated the belief that Deathwing was dead.

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Old 05/15/08, 8:07 AM   #2568
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Vivendi press release

This is perhaps not that big of a suprise, but it's always nice to see some sort of confirmation that the expansion is, at least, scheduled for release before the end of 08.

"Blizzard Entertainment’s second expansion, World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, is scheduled to be released in the second half of 2008."

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Old 05/15/08, 8:26 AM   #2569
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Vivendi press release

This is perhaps not that big of a suprise, but it's always nice to see some sort of confirmation that the expansion is, at least, scheduled for release before the end of 08.

"Blizzard Entertainment’s second expansion, World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, is scheduled to be released in the second half of 2008."
I've already sworn to start my papers early and finish with anything other then minutes left on the deadline, this gives me a nice impetus to really push for that.

Is it just me who despite some letdowns from blizz (*cough*setbonii*cough*) is really really stoked for wotlk? Ppl all seem to be in negative nancymode, but Im flying high!

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Old 05/15/08, 9:14 AM   #2570
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No big suprise that Blizzard gives out so much news at this time. Age of Conan is starting and especially for lore-driven players that like an interactable and changing world quite attractive. Something aiming excactly at this target group is a good way to keep some of them from switching the game. From what I heard is that a lot of preorders for Warhammer already were canceled, most likely due to the arena system in WoW, Blizzard now heads out for RP & Lore. The next BlizzCast will have RP as topic.

So we may except some more on the lore stuff pretty soon.

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Old 05/15/08, 12:23 PM   #2571
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Vivendi press release

This is perhaps not that big of a suprise, but it's always nice to see some sort of confirmation that the expansion is, at least, scheduled for release before the end of 08.

"Blizzard Entertainment’s second expansion, World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, is scheduled to be released in the second half of 2008."
Expect F&F Alpha to start late June early July.

Edit: Conflicting reports now hearing End of May, early June. >_>

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Old 05/15/08, 12:47 PM   #2572
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Originally Posted by Hildegard View Post
From what I heard is that a lot of preorders for Warhammer already were canceled, most likely due to the arena system in ...
Source please for the canceled preorders data? It's not that I don't believe, I simply just haven't heard that. I'd also be interested in seeing if the preorder canceling wave that you mention coincided with the time that mythic announced they were pushing back the release date a few months.

Edit: Malleus probably hit the nail on the head ;-)

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Old 05/15/08, 1:39 PM   #2573
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I'd also be interested in seeing if the preorder canceling wave that you mention coincided with the time that mythic announced they were pushing back the release date a few months.
I think it's more likely to have coincided with the beta test, reports from which mostly said "This game is fucking horrible".

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Old 05/15/08, 3:43 PM   #2574
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Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
Expect F&F Alpha to start late June early July.

Edit: Conflicting reports now hearing End of May, early June. >_>
I thought the F&F alpha has already started. Or maybe that's just some internal alpha?

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Old 05/15/08, 3:54 PM   #2575
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I thought the F&F alpha has already started. Or maybe that's just some internal alpha?
Dev Alpha is going on right now.

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