Malan

It also doesn't make it fake just because you don't like the implications of a talent/spell, this is from an alpha. If they want to test something as crazy as "dual wield shields" then the alpha data files would be where it would show up don't you think?

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flyingtoastr

But again, what proof do you have that these are from the alpha files and not from some lonely man's fantasy? Call me paranoid, but I find it very hard to believe stuff like this.

Divine Favor still costs mana.

 

Malan

This is stupid. If you think these aren't real, go download the client (its been linked all over the place and mirrored) and mine the data files yourself. I don't need to offer "proof" of anything, I'm merely pointing out that your argument doesn't hold much water.

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Siddown

Then don't.

We all know how much even the Beta TBC spells changed up to released (remember Shadow Priests had a 41pt talent that let them heal in Shadow Form for example). So even if these are datamined, they'll change dramatically by the time the game drops. There are two options, these are 1) "true" or 2) someone has spent hours creating fake patch notes, either way it makes for fun conversation while sitting through a boring conference call, doesn't it?

 

Moogul

I agree with Malan.

That said, there is one thing to bear in mind - if you're getting your info from the much-linked 'leak wiki', it's possible that people have edited 'fake' notes into the real ones. Still, dismissing everything as 'untrue' because you don't like it is just silly.

 

Malan

You can check Wotlk leaks: Recent Changes and see that people are editing out 'fake notes' frequently - notably anything for rogues that pops up is being removed within moments.

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Torq

They gave it to Barbarians in D2 (along with the jump "Heroic Leap" :P ) so why not warriors?

 

Phlis

The key for talents is Talent.dbc which is in the the localization MPQs, both Patch and lichking. You can all check this yourself with burning crusade's files. Download Winmpq, extract talent.dbc from WoW/Data/enUS/patch-enUS.mpq, convert from DBC to something readable(CSV for example), and then open it up in word pad. It lists all talent trees in this fashion:
26,41,0,1,11069,12338,12339,12340,12341,

Talent ID, Tree ID, Vertical Position(0-8), Horizontal Positon(0-3), SpellIDs

This is Improved Fireball by the way, 41 is MageFire, and the 5 numbers are ranks 1-5.

The other important file is Spell.dbc, which can be extracted in the same way, and then you simply compare spell ids.

So for people with the files, finding out exactly what the new talents are isn't very difficult:

1918,281,8,0,48432,48433,48434
281 is Feral, Teir 8, on the far left,

Spell 48432 is:
Primal Aggression - Rank 1 - Increases the critical strike chance of your Maul and Shred abilities by $s1%.

Simple once you get used to it. CSV files are openable in Excel so they're easy to sort and search.

 

Axanor

It's really just them giving melee dps the same benefit from ring enchants that caster dps has received. AP instead of +dmg. Long overdue.

 

Emeraude

Speaking of Leatherworking, I hope Drums are addressed/nerfed in WotLK.

It's one thing when a profession provides a nice little boon for you because you took the profession (Weapons as BSing, Helm as Engineering, self-enchants are enchanting), it's another when you're entire guild takes on leatherworking as a 2nd profession because it's the king of min/maxing raid damage/recovery. -_-

 

impossible!

Haha. Yes! Light Leather is selling at 8G a stack on my server, right now, because what seems like half of my guild decided to hit the LW grind. Fantastic.

 

Zaphid

Anyone remember this one ? Future expansion : Northrend and Emerald Dream ?

Quite interesting that at least the Art department was working on WotLK for more than a year, but i guess they are used to it and they are probably thinking about D3 some other future title

And looking at the known spells and talents, Blizzard has probably decided to eliminate most of the sucky spells from vanilla, although it means that i will need 1 thing in expansion for sure: more buttons to press.

 

frozndevl

Playing a shaman, one thing I noticed in the shaman section were "shock charges". Not having been around for pre-tbc I don't know if this idea ever floated around or what it might be. Going on the assumption that these are legit, this seems to be adding a new mechanic to shaman offense.

And for my shaman self-pity, it seems real because there are only 3 shaman changes listed. However, one does include an AOE CC ability which is kinda cool.

 

Malan

The Shock Charge is hopefully a new mechanic to add a little bit of depth to the Enhancement/Elemental play style and I speculate that its going to be some sort of multiplier for existing skills based on # of charges, or that we'll be getting some "finishing moves" a la rogues/druids.

Don't get concerned about the shaman info, its either not there yet (like rogues) or just hasn't been finished being data mined yet.

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• Darkmyst

Raiders, by thier very nature, are predisposed to min/max. If leatherworking no longer provides a tangible benefit to raid then it will just be dropped for something else that does.

 

Phlis

There are new ranks of all the important spells(except water shield weirdly enough), but no talents yet.

 

Dioneirra

On the other hand, it's the only thing leatherworking offers. The BoP Sets are way below the quality of both the tailoring sets and the smithing weapons (besides the sets being very... strange in conceptual design and focus audience). So, no, i don't want Blizz to change the drums. The first time since the beginning of the game i was glad to picked leatherworking back than as a nightelf yearling. Oh, and yes, i did pay 2K gold for the Restoration pattern before it was made commonly accessible. I think, it's ok the way it is, i don't want another nerf of 'my' profession just because people feel like its overpowered. It's just, well, not justified in my eyes.

 

Liebestod

War Tools :: Talent tree WotLK Leaked Talents

Easy-to-play-around-with version of the supposed Mage talent trees.

Looks kinda boring to me, but we'll see what else I can find.

War Tools :: Talent tree Druid WotLK

^ Druid talents.

War Tools :: Talent tree Warrior WOTLK Talents.

^ Warrior talents (rage values on new skills are guesses, however)

 

aikiwoce

I put together that mage talent tree with info I found on the wiki leaks site, the wotlk spell.dbc file, and info found here. I'll be updating it regularly with new info as it's found.

 

Juno

^^^ Goddamnit, beaten!

Here's another pretty nicely compiled list of the new talents in WotLK.

http://urlshort.com/wotlk/site/talentlist.php

Some trees aren't complete like shaman and paladin, but most is there in a nice format. Don't forget to check old talents aswell, for example Improved Rend got a namechange to Bloodletting and increases damage for rend and Bloodbath, whatever that is, I like the sound of it though.

 

talzar

I noticed Death Wish is back in Fury. I wonder if that's just based on an old build or something. Unless they want Sweeping Strikes to be in Arms so that you can pop sweeping strikes and then bladestorm as you go around whirlwinding / sweeping striking like a maniac.

It's fun looking at these talents, but like others have pointed out, these are going to get changed so much over the next 6 months that it won't matter.

Hell in TBC they were going to give Paladins Blessing of Spell Warding, which was like BoP but for spells and that got axed. Who knows how much of this stuff will be tweaked or removed.

 

Juno

That's true, but I still think it's interesting to talk or think about, especially what iterations blizzard goes through. And seeing cool stuff like Bladestorm or Leaping only hypes me up for WotLK more so can't be that of a bad thing!

 

Grizlor

Biggest change I noticed on the druid talents was improved faerie fire and feral charge swapped positions. Improved Tree of Life is certainly interesting too, I guess they're trying to make it an alternative to Bear Form or something. Predatory Strikes is still unchanged, and the feral tree looks pretty bloated overall, almost as if they were trying to have greater differentiation between cat/bear builds within the same tree.

 

Axanor

Death Wish flipping back to Fury would make a lot of sense, as it would create huge tension with Bladestorm in the Arms tree.
The trees in general look to be intentionally bloated this time around, forcing players to make hard choices with their talent build.

One thing that's bothering me is that there's no threat reduction for Moonkin in the tree, as subtlety has become resto-only.

 

Zedd

Heroic Leap seems a direct copy of the Diablo2 Skill, But modified to WoW mechanics.

none the less it is still very interesting to see all of this.