Wrath of Lich King Stuff (was 'Blizzcon' thread) - Page 15

• Marroc · 08/03/07, 7:01 PM

Dungeons and Raids panel is up: Liveblogging BlizzCon's Dungeons and Raids Panel - WOW Insider

Also, video feed is wrapping up the starcraft competition for those of you not idling it.

◊ Lum · 08/03/07, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Not completely abandon Paladins altogether.

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I would rather see Paladins made more viable, speaking as a Feral Druid tank, I understand that plight and anticipate the future of my own.

I can't find it anywhere that they're "abondoning paladins", or that the Death Knight is a Paladin-only class. It's not a Warlock-only class. It's not exclusive. In fact, they said it would most likely be available to all races; that fact alone precludes it from being Paladin-only. Don't jump the gun here.

Originally Posted by senior toasted bread

They probably believe that, i mean not to whine about engineering but when they reviewed it they didn't make it a real profession, even though they had the opportunity siting in front of them. There is still only 1 reason to get past 350, to make a scope thats lower ilvl than the scope from MC. They are not totally in touch with the game as we play it.

This really doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Dejablue · 08/03/07, 7:05 PM

Originally Posted by Quigon

This is an important question - theres too much boredom in the old world - and this would help a LOT. This along with increasing the raid size to 30 would be my primary wishes. At 30 players you have a much better ability to "balance" out players, healers, and hybrids along with this new death knight class.
Also, obviously trying to time the content release so we don't run into past mistakes.

Yea it is a good implementation for the hero classes, or now that the precedent will be set any new classes, but I think that the only new classes added for a long time will be hero classes. SO bye bye monk and bard:/

I would like to know the actual implementation. I wonder if these Death Knights are going to be akin to seige weapons. I.E. provide the group or raid with a new very powerful tank and damage dealer and not available for PVP?

Imagine the DK is the new defacto tank and or damage dealer and you can do super duper epic raiding to defeat really powerful bosses. He is tanking the super duper boss, say Arthas? while your usual tanks are offtanking lesser bosses. This may be implemented to provide that feeling of uber epicness. You have a Hero, almost a boss like character and the raid has to help them defeat a boss, except the Hero is controlled by a member of the raid.

andastra · 08/03/07, 7:05 PM

I'm quite scared as well after seeing the class panel. From the comments about rogue dps and mage dps, it seems Blizzard still thinks mages are no. 2 in single target dps and no. 1 in AoE dps, which really isn't the case. It looks like they're also thinking of buffing warrior dps to be equal to rogue dps, which would be a colossal mistake. They're overvaluing rogue utility vs warrior utility.

Covertghost · 08/03/07, 7:06 PM

It seems their major plan for the old world is just another CoT wing.

I'd like to see them do something with the area east of wetlands, the one south of silverpine, west of burning steppes, etc.

Also, present hyjal hasn't been touched, quite curious if (or when) they'll be touching back to azeroth.

• Shabadu · 08/03/07, 7:08 PM

The possibility of shamans getting a CC ability somewhere between 70-80 has me wet in the pants.

• Marroc · 08/03/07, 7:09 PM

... Jeez... Looks like they're covering the WoW arena tournament over the Raid & Dungeon panel >_<

◊ Quigon · 08/03/07, 7:10 PM

From the current R&D dev chat:

4:08 The original BC dungeon boss listing, including one more raid dungeon including 6 more raid bosses, coming out before Wrath of the Lich King, very cool! I can't wait to hear more.

mek · 08/03/07, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Shabadu

The possibility of shamans getting a CC ability somewhere between 70-80 has me wet in the pants.

No kidding. I'm still bitter about my earth elemental, though at least people laugh when I pop it in raids. Hex please.

Dejablue · 08/03/07, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lum

I can't find it anywhere that they're "abondoning paladins", or that the Death Knight is a Paladin-only class. It's not a Warlock-only class. It's not exclusive. In fact, they said it would most likely be available to all races; that fact alone precludes it from being Paladin-only. Don't jump the gun here.

This really doesn't have anything to do with anything.

There current plans are to allow all races access to DK.

From Wrath of the Lich King Demo panel: liveblogging from BlizzCon - WOW Insider

1:58pm: What races for DK? Our current plan is for all of them to be available. ("Gnome Death Knights ftw" from the audience)

You have taken that sentence out of context.

Please stop trolling.

kaib · 08/03/07, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Marroc

... Jeez... Looks like they're covering the WoW arena tournament over the Raid & Dungeon panel >_<

Which is another sad joke as Log is betting a bye. If you do 8 team invite only so called 'world champs', you better make sure the attendees can also make it.
Was idiotic enough that Log played against 4 player teams in their first TWO rounds at the euro quali thing. The third round was the final btw, if I remember correctly, they were qued at that point for the 'worlds', after beating two teams with four players.
And now they are getting another bye ... should give blizz a warning to increase prize support so that people actually show up.

coltzhao · 08/03/07, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Quigon

From the current R&D dev chat:

Zul'Amen?

6 boss there also.

Dejablue · 08/03/07, 7:13 PM

Originally Posted by Covertghost

It seems their major plan for the old world is just another CoT wing.

I'd like to see them do something with the area east of wetlands, the one south of silverpine, west of burning steppes, etc.

Also, present hyjal hasn't been touched, quite curious if (or when) they'll be touching back to azeroth.

I notices they said CoT, Karazahn and the AH will server the old world needs.

Any info on future Kara plans?

Tacitus · 08/03/07, 7:14 PM

Liveblogging BlizzCon's Dungeons and Raids Panel - WOW Insider

Attunements and Keys: (LOTS of booing here) They have learned from TBC, so I guess that's good. But still Jeff is telling us that they are still important, and points to the Kara key attunement as a good example of quests for keys that work.

Kiklion · 08/03/07, 7:15 PM

Originally Posted by Marroc

... Jeez... Looks like they're covering the WoW arena tournament over the Raid & Dungeon panel >_<

Is there a site where i can watch a live feed of the 5v5 tourny fights?

I'm never good at finding those sites.

Tacitus · 08/03/07, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dejablue

I notices they said CoT, Karazahn and the AH will server the old world needs.

Any info on future Kara plans?

They're showing us a list of dungeons and raids for the new expansion. This might change because they see how much everyone loves Kara, and they want to give us more 10 man content.

It's not exactly what you wanted, but still..

Goobergunch · 08/03/07, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kiklion

Is there a site where i can watch a live feed of the 5v5 tourny fights?

I'm never good at finding those sites.

I'm using http://127.0.0.1:6498/ms/asf/EPGIGA....e?MSWMExt=.asf but there's not much to see right now.

Darkchani · 08/03/07, 7:18 PM

GIGA.DE - FREE Live Stream for live blizzcon streaming

edit : seems i cant simply put the url, it converts it into the title of the webpage

Corronach · 08/03/07, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kiklion

Is there a site where i can watch a live feed of the 5v5 tourny fights?

I'm never good at finding those sites.

nihilum.eu has a link.

As for the attunement and keys, who here actually thought the Karazhan key quest was anything more then a couple hour annoyance?

Similarly,
4:13 Heroic keys are also very successful, and they will continue to look at that system as we continue to progress

I only view those as limitations to what my alts can and can't take part in. Otherwise f'ing retarded.

• Marroc · 08/03/07, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dejablue

I notices they said CoT, Karazahn and the AH will server the old world needs.

Any info on future Kara plans?

My guess is Karazhan Crypts (The mirror image 'underside' of karazhan).

Caligula · 08/03/07, 7:23 PM

Originally Posted by Corronach

nihilum.eu has a link.

As for the attunement and keys, who here actually thought the Karazhan key quest was anything more then a couple hour annoyance?

People who appreciate the lore behind it. Karazhan is huge in terms of WoW lore. This is a role playing game after all, if you're just killing things or questing with no real point it might as well be a shooter.

• songster · 08/03/07, 7:23 PM

Originally Posted by Corronach

nihilum.eu has a link.

As for the attunement and keys, who here actually thought the Karazhan key quest was anything more then a couple hour annoyance?

Very few people here, I'll wager. For the vast majority of players, however, BM normal mode is a serious challenge, and having a Karazhan key a notable status symbol. The quest line itself worked well, the only problem with it is a lack of "breadcrumbing" to lead you to it in the first place.

Skiace · 08/03/07, 7:24 PM

another fun one from the live blog:

Trash lets classes shine, and the dungeons with only bosses would not be fun

because everyone hated BWL for the lack of trash packs....

Corronach · 08/03/07, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Caligula

People who appreciate the lore behind it. Karazhan is huge in terms of WoW lore. This is a role playing game after all, if you're just killing things or questing with no real point it might as well be a shooter.

http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Master's_Key/In-Depth

I should have qualified my statement. The part where you go to Medivh in CoT for the key.

Awesome.

You see, when it became apparent that I was stranded here I split the key into three fragments.

I placed the keys inside enchanted containers, and in turn placed those in places that were safe at the time.

With the dark changes Outland has endured this no longer is the case. The first fragment is in a section of Auchindoun taken over by the Shadow Council. Return this fragment to me.

Timesink.