Originally Posted by Kumar

2.) Prevent Medivh from Opening the Portal - Horde wouldn't be there in its present form (Good for Legion?)

Originally Posted by Emeraude

That is amazingly awesome. There's a chance that 3/5 Aspects have been corrupted, with a 4th one on the way in the Emerald Dream due to the Nightmare, leaving only the Aspect of Life.

The Titans basically put the five Aspects in charge of Azeroth, and the majority of them currently seem to be doing an amazingly terrible job. Neltharion is plain evil, Malygos is destroying the planet, Nozdormu is either completely occupied with a rogue Dragonflight trying to unravel time itself or actively leading them, Ysera has her hands full with the Emerald Dream being engulfed by a Nightmare. Alexstrazsa is the only one doing a half-way decent job, and she got locked up for years by a bunch of puny greenskins with the help of a demonic artifact created by the five Aspects.

If the Titans were to take a look on Azeroth they'd see it's a bloody mess, and might decide Azeroth is a failed experiment.

Originally Posted by Addled

I love this page, when you initially look at it, it looks like a bunch of empty boxes, but then you realize there's a ton of fascinating speculation here ;-)

Originally Posted by Nezralix

And the interesting thing is, since it's all complete speculation, it's really not spoiling anything, so the spoiler tag is unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Lysara

I wonder if Blizzard is intentionally doing this to pave the way for a Titan storyline/expansion.

Could we even fight a Titan? The Titans killed and injured Old Gods. Sure, players killed the Old God C'thun, but he was massively injured from his Titan fight.

I suppose we could do something like the Majordomo Executus fight, where we bring the Titan low on health and have some scripted event happen to turn the Titan friendly to us, but still, it would feel a bit contrived.

Definitely think that WoTLK will have some major Titan storyline expansion. As such the Titans shouldn't be happy with the infighting between Dragonflights anyway. The dragonflight story should play a big part in it, if we kill Malygos and the Blue Dragonflight is without a leader, the Titans can't be happy. On the other hand, if Noz is behind trying to twist time (the very things Titans warned him against) they can't be happy.

I would add one thing, I want to see a CoT instance added by Blizzard in the future, that has us participate in the rescue of Alexstrasza.

Which brings me to another point, looking at the Old Hillsbrad and Dark Portal CoT instances as attempts to stop the formation of the Horde, it would also mean that Alexstrasza is never captured by them. This would mean Rhonin never destroys the Dragon Soul. This means, the Old Gods could still use it to escape their Prison. Which would mean, the Infinite Dragonflight is working for the Old Gods. That is of course, their mission is to stop the Dragon Soul from being destroyed.

Also, in terms of fighting a Titan, where would the dragonflights stand in the fight? With us, or their creators?

Given the fact that Nozdormu is aware of his fated demise and has disappeared for quite some time; plus the "sudden" appearance of the *INFINITE* Dragonflight, I think it's safe to say (with Chromie's dialogue as supporting evidence) that Nozdormu created the Infinite Dragonflight to prevent his own death. The word "infinite" suggests that he's trying to cheat his fate - granting himself infinite life. Assuming his death is impending, and he's taking action to prevent it, a reasonable guess would be that (for some reason or another) The Lich King intends to kill Nozdormu. If the Infinite Dragonflight were to return to Stratholme and prevent Arthas from becoming The Lich King, then Nozdormu could potentially cheat his fate.

Although this doesn't *directly* explain why he attempted to prevent Thrall's rescue or the summoning of Orcs into Azeroth; both scenarios would have indirectly resulted in Arthas' death. If Thrall was kept in slavery, he would never have been contacted by The Prophet Medivh. The same can be said if Medivh were assassinated. Perhaps Nozdormu is running out of time and has become fed up with indirect approaches; now resorting to killing Arthas himself in the Culling of Stratholme.

If anyone remembers the quest text for delivering the Discs to Uldum, Azeroth is "up for revisitation" by the Titans. The additional Titan-lore promised in WotLK, the prominence of Ulduar as an instance hub, and all the mucking up caused by the Dragonflights does mean they'll have their hands full when they get here.

It causes me to wonder, though -- Azeroth is the world where Sargeras was banished to the Nether. Doesn't anyone else think the other Titans would be interested in that? Aside from that, why have the Titans been uninvolved with the Legion's Burning Crusade? Sargeras was their strong arm, but certainly not the only warrior in the Pantheon. Yet the only force we know of that has stood against the Legion is the Naaru and their draenei retainers.

Where in the hell ARE the Titans anyway?

To get back to the Dragonflights discussion, Nozdormu being at the head of the Infinite Flight is pretty interesting. However, note that the Infinite Dragonflight's members often refer to "the master" in their few dialogues. The only other major lore character I can think of who's referred to in this way is Neltharion, mainly in Lady Sinestra's dialogue with Mor'ghor at Netherwing Cleft.

Either way, i really don't think we'll see much of Deathwing in WotLK.

Originally Posted by Tonyk

I think the WC3 manual states that none of the other Titans even know what Sargeras is up to, or that he is now evil. They're too busy cultivating life on a million planets.

Originally Posted by Mr. Crow

I'm not too sure of that. There's this pic of a guy who looks like he could be Deathwing

Originally Posted by SenorCrunch

Originally Posted by Emeraude

Eh, like I said before in an earlier post, almost the entire Black Dragonflight is guilty of some atrocity or two.

I highly doubt that guy is Deathwing. He just looks like a disgruntled Black Dragon that has to do clean up on the Scourge.

He is sexy though, evil, sexy, why do they always go hand in hand?

We fight Malygos, we interact with/do quests for Alexstrasza, we at least see Nozdormu in a future vision(not sure of how much more interactivity we'll have with him) and Ysera is ingame too, but as far as we know at the moment, shes just there sleeping

Originally Posted by Emeraude

I highly doubt that guy is Deathwing. He just looks like a disgruntled Black Dragon that has to do clean up on the Scourge.

He is sexy though, evil, sexy, why do they always go hand in hand?

I think the entire existence of the CoT instances more or less proves that Noz is not behind the Infinite Dragonflight. Otherwise, essentially he'd be having his own people (the Keepers) send others (us) to thwart his own ambitions (not dying). Sure it's a great way to cover ones tracks, but not when the laid plans are thwarted every time.

I'd buy this is more the work of Deathwing. He has had access to all flights and their powers.

Edit: I just reread the wowwikki article on the Infitite flight. It seems the bosses all share Arcane abilities. Would it reason that this is a prong of Mylagos's efforts to basically destroy the world?

Originally Posted by Mr. Crow

The Titans are going around creating worlds and populating it with life forms. They probably consider the inhabitants of Azeroth to be just a form of artificial intelligence. I'd presume they create a world, seed it, let it grow on its own and then check up on it a "bit" later (a bit might be a million billion years for us for all we know). If they don't like what they see, they'll probably want to purge the planet and then consider not using the same methodology to create new worlds and life.

Originally Posted by zirky

Maybe Noz's motives are simply to keep his Dragonflight and the people of the world on their toes and ready for some upcoming horror. To that end, he creates the Infinite Dragonflight, has them attract the attention of the Keepers, and makes sure to bundle in some good loot with all his minions so the fighters are better prepared.

Originally Posted by Hylo

I can't help it but that guy looks awfully like Nefarian, Deathwing's son. Probably just coincidence or Blizzard's favorite way of presenting male black dragons in human form.

Did anyone else notice that Lord Itharius, the Green Ambassador, is a High Elf model rather than NE? It seems interesting that they would choose that model rather than a NE or Tauren, considering the Green Dragonflight's history with the two races.

Who would currently be against all the death and destruction?
1.) Alexstrasza - But Blizzard is not going to make her another insane dragon. She is pretty much the only dragonflight leader we can rely on right now to be sane and in their senses.
2.) The Titans(or one Titan) - They look at the death and destruction that happened as a blight on the history of Azeroth and want to Undo it without directly interfering with the World. So they create the Infinite Dragonflight

Once again, just another speculation on who could be behind the Infinite Dragonflight.

Why so much weight on this preventing his own death thing ? Nozdormu always strifes to rectify the timeline such as things that are meant to happen do happen. He knows of his death but why should he want to prevent it ? There is no hint at all that this is imminent and he basically has all the time he wants. I think this one simple sentence that stated that he knows his own death is largely overblown in this context and discussion here.

Nozdormu knew that his added essence will enable Neltharion to build the Demon Soul and with that bring death and chaos for many years, yet he did not prevent it from happening. He knew that Krasus/Korialastrasz hid the last few living eggs of the blue flight to prevent Malygos' flight from becoming extinct in a sealed pocket of time, manipulating the normal flow of events and let it happen. He even predicted at one time that Deathwing will die and "add to his collections of things past". Obviously, that hasn't happened yet, so it can't be time for him to die.

So the he might want to prevent his death speculation is just that: speculation. At this point we have too few information to know what his true connection with the IDF is and what his motives are. Should they have not changed, then his motives are to do whatever is necessary to ensure the correct flow of time and to prevent others from attaining the capabilities to manipulate time at will. Which the IDF certainly seem to have at least.

As for Ysera, her sleeping is normal, she is the Dreamer after all. We obviously know nothing about the state of the emerald dream and how much of her power is bound there but her either sleeping or with closed eyes is her normal state.

And Malygos is not mad. That has been stated quite a few times. Read the text on the official Wrath page. He wants to prevent some bigger catastrophe but at a high cost still. What's exactly up with that, we'll hopefully learn while playing WotlK

Originally Posted by Cube

Also,

He's using the same model that he has in Swamp of Sorrows now. I don't think there's much more to it than that.

Originally Posted by Cadfael

It is interesting that you point out Nozdormu's statement from DotD. If Nozdormu knows that Deathwing dies before he dies...

Getting back to the beginning of all this, here's the bottom line: if Chromie gives us a quest to find out who the leader of the Infinite Flight is, an item that will tell us who the leader is, and a place to do it, and it's revealed as Nozdormu, then Blizzard certainly wants us to THINK that Noz is doing the job. It certainly leaves a lot of questions that'll be answered in the expansion.

Originally Posted by Emeraude

That is amazingly awesome. There's a chance that 3/5 Aspects have been corrupted, with a 4th one on the way in the Emerald Dream due to the Nightmare, leaving only the Aspect of Life.

Originally Posted by Mr. Crow

With the way timetravel works, Nozdormu might die before deathwing and still know what happens afterwards. He's the lord of time after all. If a future Nozdormu really is corrupted, he might even be opposed by an uncorrupted Nozdormu from the past/present. A corrupted Nozdormu trying to screw up time might be opposed by an earlier Nozdormu who knows he will eventually be corrupted. He would presumably also prevent himself from screwing up time too much. It might make an interesting boss encounter, with Nozdormu helping us make sure he dies when he's supposed to.

Originally Posted by Keltan

Am I the only one completely fed up with Metzen's broken record of "So and so was a good guy...but wait! They went insane and now we have to kill them!" crap?

Could we possibly get a new major force of evil that wasn't:
1.) good guy driven insane and now we have to kill them
2.) a pawn in yet another Old God's jailbreak attempt?

I fully expect to learn by the end of WotLK that the Old God's were subtly influencing Ner'zhul/Arthas all along in an attempt to get him to do <x> that would have the side effect of freeing them. Having even more of the Dragon Aspects driven mad by the Old God's "so we have an excuse to kill dragons" is just retarded. Retconning them all to just be evil/hostile with all the player races from the beginning would make more sense.

Of course the whole thing with him attacking Wyrmrest Temple doesn't fit too well with that. Though that does depend somewhat on the reasons he has for doing so.

Also if you were referring to Nozdormu, remember that all of the above is speculation. It could very well be that Chromie was in fact completely correct about why Nozdormu appears, and that she wasn't in denial like most people are assuming.