You seem to be suggesting that they're referring to "warrior in green tanking gear". I see no reason to assume that they're referring to tanking gear.

Actually no. Kalgan specifically stated:

"It's only a list of changes, anything not mentioned didn't change."

WoW Forums -> Orc Racial: Hardiness & New stun mechanics.

Given that nothing is mentioned about the human racial expertise being removed I don't think that is a fair assumption.

First off, I wasn't making any assumption about the specific numbers, I was just explaining how it is a nerf, not a buff.

As far as what blizzard is thinking by "green gear" it's really a big unknown. Most green gear only has 2-3 stats, but you would assume that if they meant green gear without stamina they would have just said naked, so my theory is that it assumes greens of the bear or similar.

Well with the gun itemization in BC it was mostly useless to dwarf hunters too Hopefully that gets fixed in this expansion. If they remove it from humans tho I'm sure there's going to be a lot of screaming.

Where is the proof for that? I'm confused as to why they would do that, that seems a little drastic.

You mean aside from the fact that he specifically stated it scaled from base health now...?

Personally, I'm glad it's changed. It was by far the strongest racial in the game for tanks, which was particularly unfair to non-tauren warriors. Racials shouldn't make such an immense difference.

I think he meant that it didn't scale those HP buffs (ie: 5% more HP from flasks, elixirs, fort), as opposed to not stacking. (not getting the benefit of the racial while under the effect of HP buffs)

Apologies, I simply assumed incorrectly since you had previously said you didn't know if the Human Mace racial had been changed. Carry on!

Yes, I used the wrong word. I meant that endurance would no longer scale with HP or stamina buffs, it should still stack with them.

Doesn't 'base' usually refer to the stat before gear is taken into consideration? i.e. mana costs are now a percentage of the base mana pool before contribution from intellect on gear. My understanding is that this racial will now scale only with your level and not your gear, and will be tuned such that the flat HP increase to any tauren at some level will be about 5% of the expected hp of a green geared player at that level.

I really doubt the human FD will make it to live... it seems they didn't put too much thought into this.
-less wipecosts (I think that's the only original intention)
-wiperecovery/content skipping thanks to Human Paladin and Priest
-dodge spells in arena
-drink faster in arena
-another vanish for rogues in arena
-another charge for Warriors
-switch tanks on taunt immune mobs with the press of a button
-hunters will feel cheated (which is fine from a game balancing viewpoint)

Apart from that I feel sorry for night elf hunters, since they seem to get the least racial benefits of all class/race combinations with the addition of camouflage, so I really wonder why they didn't change the dodge to 1-2% agility as it would be useful for every NE and it would be more fitting. I'm not too good at lore, however I'm not sold on the idea of Night elves being the alliance tanks, for me its always gonna be those tenacious dwarves.

My guess it that a lot of those racials will be changed again. Too bad that the discussion about racials on beta forums seems to consist of constant whining. Being the perfectionist I am I always hated the idea of strong racials and I think having players reroll for a race is bad design, so I guess its nice to know that a few of the most powerful racials got toned down a little (not enough for my taste, yet).

Edit: finally rediscovered my edit button

Don't these racial changes basically leave Night Elves with the least amount of racials?

Still the same amount as before, Shadowmeld and Wisp Spirit are not mentioned because they're unchanged. The least amount of racials would actually go to Blood Elves, but on the other hand they get the most powerful of the spell resistance racials, and one of the few activatable racials which is good in practically any situation.

The arena problems could be solved by tuning the cooldown so it's inaccessible in arenas. It's not quite 'another vanish' since it doesn't have the threat reduction factor. That leaves the tank switch as the only major factor. I like it as a panic reaction to a resisted taunt (the way I currently use my bubble), but you're right in that in the taunt-immune situation it simplifies things greatly. However, if the cooldown is tweaked so it's inaccesible in arena, that's likely to make it only available once or twice during your average bossfight, so it's still not something you can expect to rely on.

Does Feign Death work like Vanish when it comes to being the target of random spells? Avoiding Conflags on Twins or similar is pretty nice.

The Hunter version does, I'm assuming the Human version will also.

PvP-wise if it is worth it to gear hit to counter the racial resists then having the undead racial be 1% makes no sense to me as you'll have to gear for 2% to deal with Draenai and Blood Elves anyway. (As a shadow user.)

PvE-wise I was actually hoping undead would get a little love but it's early days.

The scariest statement for me was that the 1% shadow resist for undead was to combat the perceived power of the undead race, I hope when they get a chance to test the changes that the actual data will do the talking and that they can balance the PvP and PvE abilities of every race to a reasonable degree.

Nevermind I'm stupid...

In this major racial overhaul I was expecting wotf to be removed, or at least changed, too. Anyone with a fear/charm spell has been complaining since the day I started playing this game and all that changed was a reduction from 10 second immunity. Perception is only really overpowered in arena, only for a rogue, and only against another rogue; any other place it's just as powerful as a racial should be.

When I see, in any pvp forum, people asking how to beat rogue/druid and be advised to reroll human rogue/druid, it just amazes me how much complaint this causes. For any priest/rogue mirror match, it's always been exactly the same. Undead team wins, if both teams have an undead, double undead team wins.

Outside of PvP (where racials should just be disabled really) the FD doesn't really bring anything new to a raid. Paladins and Hunters have been reducing repair bills since the beginning (DI and FD) and Mages joined that group in TBC with Invis. Switching tanks on taunt immune mobs is relatively simple right now without this change. (for example on Bloodboil if one tank gets stacked too high without getting smacked we just have someone throw a Blessing of Protection on him, forcing Bloodboil onto the next highest tank for the duration). It's not terribly powerful or important in PvE, just a nice (and funny) little ability.

That may be true, but of those three classes, only one has a meaningful form of wipe recovery - paladins with DI, which is on a long cooldown. Now, human priests and paladins will essentially be a source of infinite wipe recovery. Am I complaining? Not really, but I can see where it can be considered a little unfair to Horde-side raiders.

Erm, have you watched your mages in raiding? The number of fights in which a mage can use invis to get out of combat and escape a repair bill is so ridiculously small it may not exist. Not only does *any* AE or effect by the boss instantly sotp it working (5 seconds needed remmeber before invis kicks in), but any effect after the mage goes invis also brings them back into the real world and into combat. Also, if your mages are doing their job, when the tank dies the mage is generally near the top of the "must die next" list anyway.