I wouldn't be shocked if they took naxx, turned each wing into a seperate instance, and used it as a quest/leveling hub throughout the grind from 70-80.

5 mans:
deathknight wing as the first instance; just razuvious and gothik, though.
full spider wing

10 mans:
plague wing
abom wing

25 man:
enter through heroic version of the 5m deathknight wing, which includes 4hm now, then go to frostwrym lair.

I'd assume you'd be unable to re-etch while in combat, the same way you can't drink in combat.

Having taken up my own question from earlier, no, nothing about order thus far.

Sounds like fun. Hopefully we destroy KT's phylactery (sorry, philanthropy) instead of turning it in for a trinket this time. :P

Where did you get that statement ? Tigole mentioned vaguely that it would be cool to come back to Naxx and scale it at Molten Core level didnt find anything else mentioned in other board or at the convention.

Nevermind I found it The MMO Gamer » BlizzCon: Interview With WoW Lead Designer Jeffrey “Tigole” Kaplan

It's a quote from a BlizzCon interview with him, found here.

It seems to me to be a pretty clear statement of intent, but arguably it could be one of those things that would be nice but that they never get around to. I am seriously hoping they do it, though. It's a golden chance to open such good content (and so MUCH - that's a big dungeon) to many people who haven't seen it before. Plus it's natural with the plot tie-ins ... not like anyone is going to miss seeing it over EPL.

I'm thinking some minor changes to Heigan to avoid poorly timed teleports to the tunnel would go a long way to fixing unavoidable deaths here. The encounter was totally completable with 25 players at level 60 simply because some sucked at dancing or got shit luck with class/time issues teleported to the tunnel.

I firmly believe the whole Naxx at 80 has been in the works for a long time. I always wondered why they started down the path of Dreadnaught shoulders for the Mantle of Abramis (on a PTR build for awhile) and then changed it to Doomplate recolored. Reusing Naxx not only saves on boss work, the can recycle all that cool art, that fits so well with an undead, cold theme.

None of the other Tier3 set art has be reused has it? I only paid attention to the warrior art.

Not that I know of - and this is a pity, because the Warlock Tier 3 is, I think still the most awesome look in the game. Nothing else looks quite so bizarre and distressing. The hood looks ridiculous on Gnomes (though so do most helms).

The level 70 dungeon blues are slightly modified models of the T3 gear, with new textures.

Dreamwalker shoulders and helm were retextured for Moonglade helm/shoulders and Wastewalker shoulders. The only change was removing the serpent portion of the shoulder model. Assasination shoulders and helm are modified bonescythe.

first time post... be gentle...

after reading most of this thread, there were some pretty good ideas about naxx being in 3.0, and some good lore reasons... but again, no one will want to do the "same" fights again at a different level...

so they will have to change the fights a bit... and since its a entry level instance, there cant be that many bosses. so heres my little idea, what if some of the bosses in each wing "team up" after being defeated so easily, they are essentially weakened so what about a heigan/gothik fight or a 2 horsemen (2 really died, 2 faked it lol) + razuvius, Patchwerk and grobbulus, and when you kill one of them Gluth spawns and needs to be offtanked until the other dies... stuff like that would be kinda interesting imo.

all this happens after the defeated "NECROPOLIS" naxxrammas was sent back to northrend, to be again merged back with its full size "CASTLE NAXXRAMMAS"


i also liked how someone said that kil jaedan might look to pull a "arthas" and fuse with a higher being to become stronger... well what if he kil'jaedan is actually A'dal.. and merges with kael's spirit, OR he kil'jaedan is actually the guy in EPL that you turn Kel'Thuzad's phylacerty into.

sorry for the spelling mistakes, its been a while since ive played (im back for wrath)... thats another thing, stop calling it WotlK, thats just silly, just call it wrath... =D

I would be absolutely ecstatic to see Naxx redone (most of it) even after having completed the dungeon many times. I still don't believe anything that's been done before or since quite lives up to the level of amazingness that was Naxxramas. (Illidan comes close, Illidari Council sorta, but still doesn't beat it)

If retuned and possibly a few changes that make it more than just "hey guys remember this fight" I think it would be a great starting place, and if they could build off of that into the later Northrend dungeons, I would be a happy man. I'd mostly be interested to see how they change the mechanics of certain fights to be feasible with 25 (horsemen/Kel'thuzad mainly) but if done well I would be happy to fight my way through the pinacle of raiding once more.

And more t3 graphics can't hurt, Dreadnaught graphics owned everything. And the fact that there was a full set of stuff that just went together in the dungeon made it even sweeter. Full Dreadnaught, Crypt Fiend Cloak, The Face of Death, and The Hungering Cold, no set of gear has looked that sweet since.

The frost dmg gloves that drop off trash in kara use the t3 lock art. Thats the only extra peice I could think of that used the tier three models. Im pretty sure you're right and they've been saving them.

The [Jaedenfire Gloves of Annihilation] use the tier 3 warlock skin, as well.

Well no, but unless you're in a fight for 30 mins you'd re-etch after combat ended unless the CD was up. So having an uber abilty on a long CD needing mixed runes wouldn't help too much with min-maxing runes.

On a completely different subtopic, I realized in the shower this morning that the "free spelldamage on healing gear" could actually be implemented within the existing itemization. Due to the 1.5-power scaling of cost as you increase a stat, you can convert approximately 29% of the +healing on an item into +damage/healing and still end up with the same itemization cost.

So, for example, an item with +100 healing could be converted into an item with +29 damage/healing and +71 straight healing. Since healing has a cost coefficient of 0.455 and damage/healing has a cost coefficient of 0.855, the math looks like this:

0.455*(100^1.5) = 0.455*(71^1.5) + 0.855*(29^1.5) (to within less than 1%)

This is nice and clean because it doesn't involve futzing around with the established itemization formulas. What's more, this actually seems like a reasonable number. Your typical entry-level raid-geared healer with +1000 healing would get a "free" +290 spelldamage... not enough to make him into any kind of dps powerhouse, but certainly a nice number to farm with.

So my prediction is that all items with

"Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to X."

will be changed to have

"Equip: Increases spell damage by up to 0.29X and healing by up to X."

Wonder what will be the explanation of moving and even exsitence of Naxx in Northend. Because putting it there out of the blue would simply suck lore and logic wise.

Well, it is a floating fortress that was in Northrend to begin with...

How so? It makes pretty good sense. Kel'thuzad moved Naxx from Northrend in the first place to stage an invasion of the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. So when the Kirin Tor take the page from his play book and move their city to function as a floating base to assault his back yard, why doesn't it make sense to recall Naxxramas to the defense of Icecrown? Think of Naxxramas as the Lich King's Aircraft Carrier if it helps.

In regards to Naxxramas, I think I'll play the devil's advocate a bit. Let me start by saying that, there is nothing really preventing players from going back to that instance, even today, besides the attitude that dictates progression should be linked to shiny, powerful epics and although this logic contains elements of truth, there is always the fun factor to consider.

Call me an "elitist jerk" if you must but I'm among those that would not like to see, a simply "scaled down" version of Nax in WoTlK. Haven't beaten the instance as well in its initial incarnation, I feel that it would serve no purpose to fight the exact same bosses, using the exact same mechanics and employing almost the same strategies. That's regardless of how good their loot table might be. Naxxramas was unique during its time because it combined variety (separate wings) with the right quantity/quality of encounters while its difficulty was scaling properly. I believe that most people that have completed it, will agree that essentially clearing the same content in a different raid design setup wouldn't accomplish that much.

However if the instance was to be redesigned, offering not only new items but interesting encounters with something unique to bring to the table, while keeping its original "elements of success" intact, then I'm all in for it. I sincerely hope, if it's ever brought back, it will be more than a shadow of its former self, so that its value isn't diminished and people get to experience the real deal.

*cough* Dalaran *cough*

Actually, given that KT is more or less the Litch Kings second in command, it makes perfect sense that we'd see another Naxx in Northrend. We might even find the Ashbringer while we're there :-p. I hope they really tone it down to a Karazhan level of difficulty, it won't do much good to retune it to a BT level of difficulty.

More Naxx means more Scourge Invasion Events!!

Edit @ Tristanian & Ribeye: I don't think they're bringing it back for the people that already beat it. They'll be plenty of new content for the trailblazers.