from earlier in the thread.

It has nothing to do with race - my Nightelf War gets hit with agonizing fairly regularly while tanking Illidan.

Our cow MT gets agonizing only when he's positioning after a Flame Crash. It does seem to be melee range though, it was really funny to get it as a P2 FR tank, and resist most of the damage outright.

I am wondering what aspects of the encounter would be affected by Nether Protection.

I am assuming it can't be used by the warlock tank, but can all of the fire/shadow dmg caused in the encounter proc Nether Protection.

What has been everyone's experience.

I would say only in phase 2 would you greatly benifit from having nether protection, as that is relly the only time you may take constant damage.

Our MT is Undead female and gets targeted by Agonizing regularly. So somehow the mechanic avoids all melee dps (minimum range probably) but excludes Illidan's current target?

Well, then theoritically your whole raid could bunch up at melee range during Normal Phase and spread out at Demon Phase, then back again. But then I guess the Main Tank would be perma-targeted by it Still funny =)

I'm sure that Agonizing is on a cooldown, and fires when it's a) off cooldown and b) there's a valid target. So the second someone moves out of melee range because of parasites, they get hit with agonizing and can't rejoin the group. Eventually people moving away with parasites and getting stuck out with agonizing will force a spread in the raid anyways, so best to go in with that and not try to cheese a simple mechanic.

I'll be tanking the Flames soon, are their damage affected by demo shout and CoR?

Also, what would the off tanks do after phase 2? It seems I'd better off just go die in the fire to not get in anyone's way.

Intervene the MT during switches, hamstring the demons, stay far back before demons and hope to get paralyzed, keep TC and DS up, call the important stuff.

Most of the damage you'll be taking will come from the flame patches and eye beam residue all over the place, but yeah... I don't see any reason AP-modifiers wouldn't work on the mobs.

I can't answer the first question, although I vaguely recall reading tclap/demo having an effect on elemental damage, but as to the offtankage question... you need to stay alive to be a target for the demons and parasites after phase 2.

Unfortunately dps in FR gear is abysmal, but at least you can maintain tclap and/or demo, as well as hamstringing the demons whenever your guild has melee go in and finally intervening the main tank whenever its needed (right after the 30% cinema scene when tclap/demo aren't up, if your MT somehow misses a shear, after demon->normal transitions). Finally Intercept->hamstring->run away versus lone parasites.

Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, in p2 not only does everyone's distance in relation to both Flames matter, but so does the each Flames' distance from their Glaive matter as well?

Last night was our first night of attempts on Illidan, and twice during p2 one of the Flames enraged while we we're both in the northern area of the circle. Up to this point in the thread I havent read anything about it not being true. Can any confirm?

I have searched for the following question on the forums and have not found anything in regards to specific gear and enchants so I figured I would ask here.

My guild is in the process of learning Illidan and I am a prot warrior working on getting the best gear for the Flame fight. What I am looking for is a list of the best gear and enchants that would compliment that fight for a Flame tank. I know I need 295 FR (unbuffed is needed) but which items work best in maintaining stam/res/and def I do not know.

You need 295 unbuffed FR and 490 defense, the flames can crit you if you don't max your defense.

* The badge resist gear will give you the first 200 FR; inferno tempered - Wowhead Search.
* The Flamebane Helmet (Flamebane Helm - Items - World of Warcraft) with +FR head enchant will bring you to 260 FR.
* The Flamebane Bracers (Flamebane Bracers - Items - World of Warcraft) to 288 FR.
* Use one Flame Armor Kit on your gloves (Flame Armor Kit - Items - World of Warcraft) and you'll be at 296 FR.

In total that uses 6 slots (chest, leggings, gaunts, boots, helmet and bracers) to reach max FR.
This leaves you with 11 slots (neck, shoulders, cloak, belt, weapon, shield, ranged, 2x trinkets and 2x rings) and 4 gem slots from the Flamebane gear to reach max defense and health.

You can alternatively use Phoenix-fire Band ( Phoenix-fire Band - Items - World of Warcraft ) instead of the bracers, but that will bring you to 294 FR only and 295+ is by far optimal. So you'd still need the Flame Armor Kit, even if you use the ring. But it allows you a little flexibility in case you got some good bracers, but crappy ring(s).

Oh and fix your profile, please. Kaubel can smell a broken profile before the browser has even finished loading the page!

Post 83 in this very thread has a setup for prot warriors.

Of course TC has an efffect, they swing at you, and if you can slow that by 20% you had better do it. Like you, I'm not sure about Demo and other similar abilities that increase/decrease AP having an effect on the fire damage, I'd go out on a limb and say no, though I'm not entirely confident in that assumption.

Being crit immune is important and certainly possible, for a warrior atleast. As a pally I have roughly .7% chance to be crit, which I could lower with different gems, though I usually just get a shaman to throw on a pvp libram and have him R1 Lesser healing wave me every so often to be uncritable via resil.

Nether Protection on the warlock tank is a bad, bad, bad idea. Our warlock tank had been playing around with new specs and had picked it up last week for PvP. Every time it procs, Illidan will turn and start randomly shadow blasting whoever he feels like in the raid. We wiped multiple times to him before we figured out the problem and had the warlock get rid of NP.

Beyond that, whatever, I guess. If you're really just clawing at ways to help your healers out, I guess it'd be ok, but even then I think it's a stretch. Saving your healers a little bit of mana based on a chance that 1-2 people are specifically targeted and then catch a lucky proc is pretty thin.

I assume that it was one of the changes they made when they re-tuned the 2nd half of BT after Nihilum cleared it. (not 100% sure though)

It may be possible to not see those flame patches if you turn down spell effects to minimum - certainly the AoE effects at Council disappear if you do this. I don't know why you would do this though

It's not spell detail. The offtanks actually just stand there.

Can rule this out - the fire elemental tanks just stand in one spot. If the blaze was on the ground (but hidden because of spell detail) the tanks would be dead when it started to stack. Either the encounter originally was bugged and blazeless - or its something they came back and readded later to up the difficulty of phase 2. Wonder which it is?

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First kill, mainhand glaive.

Second kill, offhand glaive.


Has this obscene luck happened to anyone else, ever? or are we the first worldwide to be this embarassingly lucky?

It's been ages since I tanked the elementals so I don't know if it's been adjusted, but it was possible to position yourself so that the flame patch would land between you and the elemental without taking any damage from it. It would continue to stack and stack but as long as you didn't move forward into it you would be fine, you'd also be safe from the eye beams from that spot.