◊ Praetorian

He will always do something right as the trap fades and before his transformation takes effect. This could be dropping a Flame Crash. It could be Shear. It could be a melee attack that gibs some poor melee DPS. It could be an enraged parasite or Agonizing. Parasite is probably the worst since a 4500/tick parasite DoT right as everyone is transitioning to the demon phase can be messy.

 

Llewelyn

As far as I can remember, we have always used the traps. One problem we have encountered though is the trap gets clicked, Illidan moves over trap, Illidan does not get trapped. Any idea what this can be attributed to?

 

◊ Praetorian

I always assumed that you have to click the trap when Illidan is near it to begin with. We just have our MT run to the trap, and then click it when Illidan arrives. The fact that Illidan stops to cast Enrage makes it trivial for the MT to run ahead of him. We've never once had him not get trapped, or had some other odd occurrence involving the trap. Beats me.

 

Vynde

I guess we got lucky sorta :P
After the first trap i ate a shear and shieldwalled, then after the second my healers powered me through it.

 

◊ Quigon

I pop my bp, trinket, last stand and sit through the first enrage at 34k hp or so, and then shield wall the 2nd one.

Unless you're getting him in 1 demon, the traps will generally not buy you a faster kill.

I'm not saying don't use them, I'm merely saying you don't need to. We try to use them when possible, but really haven't been given that chance.

 

Lodekim

Yeah I've tanked through enrages a few times, but yet to be on a kill, usually when I can't get a trap for whatever reason (I've seen some just straight awful drops) something else goes wrong too, but it's easy to live through, I can pop Shadowmoon Insignia and Last Stand and break 30k hp, shield wall a second. Fortunately, reading this thread reminded me to actually keep aggro through the second trap this week, I died to him hitting me twice and being in a flame patch but it kept him away from the raid at 1% when he cast draw soul =x

Not getting him trapped usually means someone clicked too early, or the trap was in some shitty place (against the back wall, Illidan's model is too big to make him run the circle to walk against the wall) I don't think it's possible if you position properly (or at least a lot less likely, haven't seen it since i changed positioning.

 

Skulli

Bit offtopic but we killed illidan 4x now and we have got 4x the shard.
Sad thing is we have 0 dagger rogues .

And about the traps, we only use them if in good positions. Not that hard to heal through it.
Its +50% dmg and attackspee.d

 

Vynde

Ya, I imagine healing through the enrage isnt to rough. When we start working on your second kill this week it will probably pop up due to getting some bad trap spots.

Though i can only hope that we still get good trap spots.
On another note, has anyone used a druid to tank the Flames? If so was it harder/easier then a warrior?

 

Skulli

Guess a druid is possible but they dont have any advantage over a warrior (maybe threat),
They dont have -16% from imp def stance or any oh shit buttons.

 

• Sebudai

We've always used 1 druid and 1 warrior. The druid will take more damage but their increased threat output allows us to use Bloodlust immediately and kick the shit out of that first flame very quickly.

 

• Snowy

Yes, we made things more interesting this week when he came out of the trap, and in one motion turned to the raid and cast Draw Soul.

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◊ Praetorian

Haha, figures this would happen the night after I post this:

Oops. Just made it take an extra 90 seconds, but it certainly made things more interesting....

 

◊ Quigon

This is exactly right - druids will take more damage, but dish out more aggro. It is exactly how we do it, and it lets us go all-out and reduce the time on phase 2, or at least the healing required by a lot. Highly recommend you tank like this if you have the chance. Plus some warriors just aren't that great at aggro, and in this situation with watching blazes and lasers - you have to blind tank it a lot. The tank best suited to do this is likely the MT who will not be in FR.

Aggro is a very real issue in phase 2 if you want to lust/unload/cd.

 

Lodekim

Yeah we actually had one of those this week (almost 2) we lost our warlock tank after the first trap for some reason (I don't think we know) and then lost a few more people while he rezzed up and got aggro back, so when we had him at 4% he came out of the second trap and drained the raid back up to 14% Third trap he was at 1% and was starting to cast a drain soul on the raid again when he came out but damage got him to the death sequence before he did (so lucky)

We also had fun when we dropped to transform to demon phase, then dot's pushed him below 30% and he stood back up in normal phase and stunned us while I was way at the back of the room with MD's down, some pro recovery when he came out, went for a totem first on one side of the room, then the warlock who had been building threat on the other side, then we bopped him and he went for a shadow priest on the other side and my shield slam didn't miss so I got him, woo. It seems like the 30% while he's in a changing animation bugging him is fixed, either that or we got damn lucky and moved him sub 30 just in time and if it was 2 seconds later and he'd transformed we'd have gotten wrecled.

All in all between that, losing the warlock tank, and almost 2 soul drains on the raid, I was very happy with a 1 shot =x The encounter seems to have a lot of things that can be screwed up, but usually it's your own fault and not too bad to recover from (hell i even got sheared twice, first shear and one right as he enraged, but I had already walled since i was slow to get to the trap). I've gotta say I really like the fight.

We also use 1 druid and 1 warrior to tank the flames, but that's partly out of necessity, we lost some tanks and ended up going to Illidan with 2 warriors and 1 feral druid as our only tanks in guild, so really didn't have a choice, it does work out very well though.

 

tr33hugger

Since this is turning into a general Illidan thread i have some information to spare which we learned last week whilest progressing towards our first kill. I didn't read this anywhere before so i think it might help guilds learning the fight.
In phase 3 when he transforms into that huge shadowblast spamming thing (i refuse calling it 'demon form' since he's a demon anyway ) we have hunters laying frost traps and shamans earthbinding totems right below his feet quickly. Three seconds before the inner demon spawns we tell every warlock to chaincast seed of corruption on him (even the tank) and the mages to flamestrike the ground. Usually they are dead within 5 seconds unless 2 or more warlocks get paralyzed. If they get out of seed-range hunters can easily finish them off and melees don't need to risk running through the raid and to flameburst damage to other people.

 

• Shifft

We actually had our MT tank a flame and an OT tank Illidan. Why not put the best players on the hardest jobs?

Also, 3/4 demons on the warlock tank's healers is not fun =(

 

Vynde

We do this aswell, our mages had grabbed imp blizzard and it worked out well. Only had one demon issue near the end but that was because someone had gotten to close before the phase.

 

• Sunchips

So we started our first attempts tonight. Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, Phase 2 has 2 separate charges for different reasons.

1 charge is caused by someone being out of the "minimum" range. This is the charge that causes an enrage.

The other charge is when tank A violates some sort of boundary (the one drawn in the pic on the first page) the flame from tank B charges him and does NOT enrage.


Other than the totem bugs and strange charge mechanics, I like the fight. The one time we got to phase 3 we wiped because our warlock tank had nether prot. It seems the best idea for traps is to just use them when accessible, ignore otherwise. I really like the idea of slowing and aoeing the parasites. Tomorrow should be fun.

 

Ren

There's two types of charges, but they aren't like what you stated. The first type of charge is when any player/pet is outside of the green zone (pic on first page). The second type of charge occurs when someone/thing is resurrected, summoned, or planted (totems). This type of charge will disregard the green zone. With both types, if the Flame is too far away from it's blade after the charge, it will enrage.

 

• Sunchips

Ok, that makes sense then. Thank you.

 

D4vE

I will have to confirm this next time we reach Illidan, but I am pretty sure the OTs can kill the blue flames with spell reflect. Last time I did it I got a couple of 2k damage messages, even a killing blow message. After that the blue flames in the middle circle, where I was standing, were gone, while they still were burning on the outer circle, where the beam starts/ends.

 

Buiden

Huh??? That would completely trivialize the P2 positioning mechanics at play, very interesting if this is true. I think more likely what is happening is the blue flame is just despawning like it does after 1 minute? Although, that would be nice if it was intended... something for the Illidan tank to do in P2 besides running around bandaging people!

 

Natural

Confirmed. I've been doing this for a few weeks and hinted about it in previous posts. You actually spell reflect the demon fire (blue flame) damage back onto an invisible NPC that will then die in a couple seconds. The patches die in individual small squares (maybe 3x3 yards).

However, even without spell reflect, the demon fire is a trivial increase in damage compared to blaze and Flames of Azinoth. The greatest benefit of doing this is squelching the blue flames so that melee DPS have an easier time staying in range. Again, this is even less important when you consider that Omen is buggy in P2 and DPS needs to be somewhat conservative to avoid pulling aggro.

This definitely makes life easier, but it doesn't trivialize P2 by any means.