Agreed, from a healing POV its quite dynamic, theres a variety of different things to heal both on tanks and on the raid which keeps things quite interesting

We killed shahraz last night and put about 5 attempts on council. Were we doing something wrong if every vanish 5-6 deadly poisons and envenoms would be cast? Even when the rogue was visible, being off-tanked in a corner, he was deadly poisoning people. Other than that this fight seems pretty easy, preheal the envenom and give your paladin tank a lot of room to move.

That's what I forgot to mention in my last post... Has anyone else had the rogue envenom the same person twice during a vanish?

It's been something that's happened to us rarely but still causes some unexpected damage. Nothing wipe causing once your used to the fight but annoying none the less.

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I've never seen him envenom more then 2 different people in one vanish. Then again I mostly heal the paladin tank so don't take my word for it.

The envenom can target any person in the room, there's the small chance he'll envenom the same person twice in a row.

We were literally getting 5 or more deadlies -> envenoms per vanish. I say per vanish but I don't mean while he was disapeared, what would happen is, he'd vanish, deadly someone, I'd load up a preheal for the env tick--all good. He wouldn't be there meleeing that guy or anything he just pops 5yds from where he was being tanked before. While being tanked people would keep getting envenomed but be nowhere near him.

Our rogue tank never had to move to pick him back up really, which was nice because he was doing interrupts on the priest instead of wasting a rogue there. I don't think it'd be a problem if we bring 7 healers instead of 6 it just didn't seem intended.

I can see 6 healers being a real problem. We just went with 9 (dropped one healer from our 10 healer Mother set-up). The final adjustment we made which seemed to help tremendously was having a healer just focus on the deadly/envenom targets. Brought our random deaths to virtually nil.

Overall I like the encounter I just wish I was not the guy sitting there staring at the priest for when I need to go in and kick. lol.

Why not just have the Rogue tank healer do it? he has nothing else to do then anyway.

While tanking, I've tried dragging the rogue next to the Paladin for some free AE damage (Bladeflurry, cleave, multishot), but results aren't always positive.

If the Rogue gets BOP then it's waste of time. Worse yet, it's possible the melee to grab initial aggro with bladeflurry or whirlwind and die if the rogue reappears within the melee group.

The fact that the rogue reappears within a few yards of his vanish point make it clear to me that he should always be put in a corner to minimize deaths during appearance & BOP.

That person was doing general raid healing whenever the rogue was vanished. It was probably bringing an unnecessary sledgehammer to the task but I felt like it would be good if we had an extra healer body online to just have them focus on that. I am sure he did other raid healing as well. Just wanted them dead, lol.

We had an all time high 8 healers for mother attempts. We got really lucky or it's just supremely nerfed because it took 5 attempts to kill her. PoM demolishes FA healing.

You have NO idea. Really. Seriously. The difference between the new FA and the old is almost as much as the old shatter on gruul compared to the 'new' one. The beam change is small. The DPS on her is ridiculous now with casters actually not being beaten by the MT.

Yah, the new FA is so forgiving its almost sad.... watching 2 people run side by side for 4-5 seconds and still live / get heals is pretty funny.

I would have to agree with Cybelirrae by the way. Usually our rogue and even our priest tank healers help out on raid duty. We usually run with 7-8 healers though. I don't think we've ever run with 9 or more if my memory serves correctly.

I do that most of the time, spamming moonfire. I think the most stable solution however is to have a paladin healer on the rogue tank. HoJ him if he starts running away.

We tank the rogue far to the left to give ample time to react to him running away.

Hello, i got a question, can the "Arcane Bolt" be resisted with Arcaneresgear? Found nothing about that, and could be nice if the tanking mage stacks up a little bit arcaneres.

I'm going to assume it can be resisted to a degree, but since spell stealing the dampen magic already reduces incoming spell damage by 75% there really would be no benefit and would only serve to gimp the mages stats more then they are already. *shrugs*

Has anyone ever seen Lady Malande's reflective shield kill someone when they haven't touched her?

We had a couple painful 1% wipes last night so we will get them next time we raid but this right here is really confusing me and I can't figure out what in the world happened.

Either way we are close to killing them just want to know if wounding poison would help at all or if doing ~7 million damage is normal.

Yeah I know that, we actually just used the warrior MT on her + 2 mages to interrupt all the heals, it seemed like something else would heal them as their life would tick upwards by 1-2% at times but I'm guess that was just rounding errors?

I'm pretty sure their health gets redistributed every tick so that it stays equal. That seems to be what happens anyway.

I believe we tested that and found it to have zero effect.

I'd apply wound poison, if only for a first kill. We had a terrible kill two days ago and let maybe 3-4 heals go through and barely beat the enrage. There's no reason not to have wound poison anyway, it's a small dps loss. (WWS report is a kill, not sure why it says try 1)

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it might just be me missing a change at some point, but i'm not reflecting a single Smite from Lady Malande. I time it perfectly but i still get a smite for roughly 4.5k each single time. The only thing i've been able to reflect so far, is the damage i would have taken from hitting her during melee shield.

Has anybody else noticed this?

I wanted to ask, do most people actually interrupt Wrath? We have been mostly breezing through the rest of BT and wiping a bit more than I would like on those. More often than not what wipes us is someone (or actually several people every try) getting a 'double effect', like envenom+wrath, wrath+1 blizzard/flamestrike tick, and my all time retard favourite blizzard+flamestrike as you run into it trying to get away from blizzard. But apart from the last one which is is obviously a problem with the awareness of the guy who fell for it, even if ideally fs/blizz should not tick on you, reality is that if you are even slightly slow they will tick on you and if wrath comes on top of them you will propably die.

I noticed after we had 1 dedicated wrath interrupter that deaths went down a lot, but a lot of people in guild believe it isn't needed and that the raid healers should just heal the extra damage. But having been on the recieving end of a blizzard tick for 5020 followed immediately by a 5000 wrath I find that allowing wrath to cast to be unnecessary gambling, as it is the only not really prehealable/predictable damage you can take in this fight. Alone it's not an issue, but as I said it's very lethal when it's coupled with another effect. And taking under consideration how long the fight lasts and how often they apply their abilities it seems to me like you are just asking for trouble letting it happen.