Interrupt it, its a lot of damage that dot and not much work to avoid it.

Went at them tonight, had the kill incoming at 18% and Veras gibs our mage tank. 10k + 7k melee hits.

I can't even begin to describe how bitter I am about that.

As Skulli said, the wrath is a lot of extra damage. We tend to stack a lot of redundancy on Malande (possibly more than is needed, but it works) - a warrior is tanking (heals/wraths), rogue for magic-heals, mage for bop-heals, shaman for catching anything in case of cooldowns or anything else, and then I tank Veras next to it for extra DPS from the mage/rogue whenever they aren't focusing on interrupts, and can charge anything I see get through too. We haven't had anything get through in a few weeks since having both an ele shaman (swapped from enh - resists and damage downtime) and me on it too. I don't do much, but any damage avoided is damage avoided, right?

As for reflect, I have no idea if it works against smite. Interrupting does though.

When they seem to heal it is as Vohbo said - the health redistributes around the 4 members of the council.

You can reflect the damage shield back for some interesting results but the smite goes straight through.

Thank you. Then it was'nt just me screwing up.

@ Dukes: We tried it last night using only the Lady Malande tank and a mage, for the various shields. And it worked out perfectly. You could free up alot of dps by removing the shaman and rogue. Just a friendly advice

A good picture illustrating how much threat spell reflect gives you on the paladin. The tank is me and I certainly still had agro at this point!



Told people not to get salvation and try to pull agro. Eventually at 10% our double azzinoth warrior got to what omen said was 160% of my threat and he pulled.

Yep, hits for around 7000 in defensive stance.

Stance does not apply to damage done with Spell Reflection. Does anyone know for sure if you get the threat modifier though? Haven't found any tests regarding that.

my guess would be that it works the same as reflecting the necromancers in Hyjal

While tanking the Nethermancer, I often ran into a situation where the Nethermancer was out of line of sight while he continued to nuke me. The Nethermancer was at the top of the platform, pretty much in his spawn point. If I was in the upper-third, I could see him and Spellsteal or DPS him. If I moved down the stairs (to CS the Circle of Healing or dodge Blizzard/Flamestrike), the Nethermancer constantly nuked me while I couldn't attack him. Does his Arcane Bolt just ignore LoS, or is there something else going on?

It's a gnome thing, our mage tank is a gnome and we solved that by having him eat deviates.

Yes it is possible to be interrupted during reflective shield as long as she is not melee immune. What I normally do when I am on kicking duty is back off just not to hit Malande when the shield is up and stay in range so if she casts COH I can kick the cast.

A shaman with Earth Shock and spell hit can be nice to have as a backup when she is melee immune and the reflective shield is up.

We had some cases where she is melee immune and Spell Immune and our shamans earth shock gets resisted in that case a healing will not be the end of the world you can still kill them easily and not risking the enrage.

You do know that earth shock is a spell and doesn't interrupt if she is spell immune, the good thing is though that she can't be immune to both physical and magic at the same time so she can be interrupted at all times.

Yes I did not mean when she is spell immune I just meant that earth shock can get resisted while a kick or counterspell is always reliable unless she is melee/spell immune.

The question was rather simple if COH gets interrupted while reflective shield is up and the answer is yes

I have tested Spell Reflect and the threat is modified by stance. http://elitistjerks.com/458276-post227.html

A relatively insignificant question perhaps, but has anyone else noticed that the paladin mob has a higher inherent resistance to shadow magic? With 81 hitrating, 5/5 shadow focus (So 16.2% spellhit). CoS, 23 spell penetration, over the 3 tries it took us to kill them tonight i saw a 5% resistance of shadow damage.

Ah, the bosskillers guide is off there then, for suggesting that it only gets cast on the other 3 mobs, not himself. Thanks.

Is there a bug related to his dampen magic?

We got our mage to pull with spellsteal, he gained the buff.. then got hit for 15k arcane damage.

From earlier posts in this thread, if he starts the cast before the spellsteal goes off it will be a full damage attack.

We use a Divine Shield pull with a BoP on the mage.

That's not true, we've always done the pull with me + BoP and running in and spellsteal, only ever failed the 1 time it resisted.

Edit: the problem is if you lag or if you're really slow on the spellsteal then it'll happen.

06:55'00.671 Copernicus performs Spellsteal
953 Lady Malande's Empowered Smite hits Copernicus for 3961 Holy damage
06:55'01.359 Copernicus gains Dampen Magic
359 Copernicus gains Aura of the Crusader
359 Copernicus's Prayer of Mending heals Copernicus for 1610
359 Copernicus performs Prayer of Mending
750 Copernicus gains Renew
953 High Nethermancer Zerevor's Arcane Bolt hits Copernicus for 14979 Arcane damage
06:55'02.109 Copernicus dies

From our WWS when we were still doing the "BoP the mage and have him spellsteal". That was also when I wasn't using Deviate Fish though, so there might have been slowness due to LoS issues.

You just need to be faster on spellstealing it, seen plenty of those deaths. We've pulled with pyroblast and frost pet, simply just run in and spellsteal no problem. Sometimes it happens though when the mage is a tad slow. Yours was 0.6 seconds, which is just too slow I guess.