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Old 10/04/07, 4:29 PM   #26
Latito
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I'm in a guild which downed Mother last week at the end of the week and didn't have time to learn Council, this week we've already got Mother down (Wednesday's raid) so we have 2-3 raid days to do council and start on Illidan.

We've been selling HoD's + BoE patterns from BT/Hyjal for a couple weeks now, trying to sell gems as well. The odd gem sells, but its mostly craftable shoulders and wrists and stuff.

Like a few people have said - when you're just starting BT, make sure you down Naj + Supremus before the weekend so you have ample trash to clear (AoE packs before Bloodboil and a lot of teron trash is really good). This lets people get Exalted earlier for trinkets, trash epics and HoD's, gems, marks. Win-Win.

Further, don't craft the SR pants - waste of 75+ hearts. Just get some random green item an an SR helm enchant. Maximize incoming Hearts, minimize the number needed for SR gear.

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Old 10/04/07, 5:46 PM   #27
andastra
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My guild just started MH/BT last month and we schedule an optional trash clear on the weekend. I think it runs for 2 hours. I've missed most of it. I think we'll have plenty of hearts come Sharahz and might be able to sell them while working on her.

The Hyjal trash drops make a difference. We beat Kaz'rogal before 2.2 and Azgalor just yesterday. The numerous wipes on Azgalor, I think, gave us a decent amount of hearts.

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Old 10/04/07, 6:22 PM   #28
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Korgath is similiar to Mal'Ganis in respect to prices. With so many guilds so progressed into content it's fairly hard to sell anything. Most BT patterns are lucky to fetch 99g and gems rarely sell at all for 199. No one has 10resil gem horde side though, so that might be a temporary boon. I was pretty much holding off until s3 for gems. Hearts are around 350 or so, and don't sell that fast.
Vortex used to have a huge demand. I think we had something like 10 warriors all lined up to pay 3kgold per 5 when we stopped running t5 content. The odd belt we used to get easily sold got 1500+mats.

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Old 10/04/07, 6:46 PM   #29
Darkrenown
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There's only one BT guild on Stormrage at the moment, I bought a [Plans: Red Belt of Battle] from them for 2k + mats.

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Old 10/10/07, 5:49 PM   #30
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They need to add transmutes for gems. Having 50 green gems and 0 red is not cool.

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Old 10/10/07, 5:55 PM   #31
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Depends on the type of server you're on and how many guilds are in Black Temple. We're the only guild right now offering hearts of darkness on Ysera. Selling HoD for 500g per and there is a massive back-order if people who want hearts, not to mention two guilds starting BT that are interested in reserving hearts in bulk. BoP shoulder patterns go for 500-1k and gems 150-400 depending on what cut. God I love having a monopoly on this stuff.

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Old 10/10/07, 6:03 PM   #32
Kadaan
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Only one guild has cleared TK+SSC on Skywall, so there have been no epic gems or hearts for sale.

Boot patterns from TK/SSC go for 500-1k depending on the pattern, the belts usually go for 1k + mats (you bring all the mats minus the vortexes,) so 500g per vortex.

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Old 10/11/07, 4:37 AM   #33
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We have 3 guilds with Illidan kill, another 2 working on him and another 4-5 in BT. We can sell the top gems (blue, yellow and red) for 250-300g, HoD for 400-500 and vortex for 400g. I haven't been paying attention to patterns. I think it's great that Blizzard added a lot of BoE items. This makes the ridiculous repair costs somewhat manageable.

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Old 10/11/07, 5:15 AM   #34
constantius
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3 BT guilds; furthest is on EoS; 6 Vashj+ guilds total.

Vortexes go for 600+g each (crafted into belts); no-one is selling vortexes for weapons as far as I know.

HoD are not available for love or money.

Epic gems are not available in any quantity; the only ones that ever show up on the AH are farmed by a couple of people kiting pre-Gorefiend trash, and have reached such obscene levels as 900g each (esp. for the +15 stam gem).

SSC/TK patterns had a history of sales that went from 1500g (for the two cloth boots) to 1000g and now you're lucky if they sell at all at a 250g price.

Haste patterns might sell for 300-500g, but there's not a huge market at this time. Sold the rogue shoulders pattern two days ago for 500g; druid pattern is rotting in my bank.

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Old 10/11/07, 6:26 AM   #35
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We have 3 Illidan killing guilds here on SM, but we're still selling Hearts for 1100g. Gems go for 300-500. Plans depending on the item, but we sold a pattern for the plate Haste shoulders for 1550g last week.

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Old 10/11/07, 6:46 AM   #36
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On Draenor-EU (PVE) we have 1 guild (Chimaera) farming Illidan, we have one guild that killed Kael'Thas right by the end of August, who is currently 5/5 & 5/9, and one guild who just got past Kael, who is 3/5 & 0/9. These 3 are all Horde guilds, the first alliance Kael-kill came just a couple of days ago, with no T6-kills registrered yet.

This means we are currently in a monopoly for both HoD-based epics and gems basically.

We have sold HoD-based epics for 2000 g for both types - BoE ones for 2000g made by us, and 2000 g for the pattern+the HoD to the buyer. Social members in the guild paid half price. We currently have about 15 persons in the queue (after equipping a half dozen new applicants with SR), with plenty of interest from both factions. So I guess from a profit maximization standpoint (skimming the top), our prices could be a bit higher. On the other hand, for longevity, when more guilds will be able to offer this, it might be better to keep the prices at a level that doesnt "squeeze every drop" out of the business.

I am not sure if we have actually started selling gems just yet, our supply has fluctuated a bit, from being short on Emphyrreans and Crimson Spinels in the start to a sudden shortage of Pyrestones and Shadowsong Amethysts (The Amethysts was pretty logical, the 11healing/2mp5 being a revered design, and the sovereign- and shifting-designs dropping pretty recently).

Last edited by GrockChim : 10/11/07 at 6:47 AM. Reason: Guild clarification.

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Old 10/11/07, 10:12 AM   #37
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An interesting observation I've made is that BT patterns do not sell nearly as well as SSC/TK patterns. I think the best explanation for this is that the "average" player (don't want to start up the casual/hardcore bullshit here) may not even know what haste is; whereas, if they see a belt with lots of hit and crit on it, they know what it is and they will drool over it.

I wonder what that says about haste.

Edit - Took out a redundant line. I rite good.

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Old 10/11/07, 10:24 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by Icetro View Post
An interesting observation I've made is that BT patterns do not sell nearly as well as SSC/TK patterns. I think the best explanation for this is that the "average" player (don't want to start up the casual/hardcore bullshit here) may not even know what haste is; whereas, if they see a belt with lots of hit and crit on it, they know what it is and they will drool over it.
Interesting observation. There could also be a small factor of merciless gladiator shoulders being so easy to obtain -- it's the first thing I see most people picking up. In patch 2.3, the arena shoulders will be near impossible for most people AND ZA will probably introduce both armor penetration and haste rating to the Karazhan/Gruul's Lair crowd.

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Old 10/11/07, 10:37 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by Icetro View Post
An interesting observation I've made is that BT patterns do not sell nearly as well as SSC/TK patterns. I think the best explanation for this is that the "average" player (don't want to start up the casual/hardcore bullshit here) may not even know what haste is; whereas, if they see a belt with lots of hit and crit on it, they know what it is and they will drool over it.

I wonder what that says about haste.

Edit - Took out a redundant line. I rite good.
It's more likely that the average player is unable to obtain the [Heart of Darkness], compared to the SSC/TK items which require just some primals and a nether.

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Old 10/11/07, 2:38 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by Zurgat View Post
It's more likely that the average player is unable to obtain the [Heart of Darkness], compared to the SSC/TK items which require just some primals and a nether.
Hearts of Darkness tend to be sold right alongside the patterns though, and tend to be much cheaper than nether vortexes.

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Old 10/12/07, 7:30 AM   #41
Kink
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Originally Posted by Icetro View Post
Hearts of Darkness tend to be sold right alongside the patterns though, and tend to be much cheaper than nether vortexes.
This depends on the selling guilds progress though. Currently we are 4/9 in BT and we already have some BoE patterns to sell, but do not have even close the HoDs we need for our resist sets. We also find the BT patterns sell for the same and no more than the SSc ones. The main difference is that most BoE SSC patterns require nethers which cost the person nothing but time, whereas the BT ones will cost them another 500-1000g per heart also needed.

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