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Old 02/21/09, 3:21 PM   3 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #501
Davidson
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller View Post

Hakkar: Shaman tremor totem cleanse Hakkar mind control. You need to drag him to edge of altar and drop searing totem at max range. When he use mind controll searing totem get aggro and this give enough time for tremor totem pulse but if you are unlucky it will reset and you have to start at full healt again. Cheap but frustrating.
If you don't drop any totems or use pets of any kind Hakkar won't MC you, making it a simple 1v1 encounter.
 
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Old 02/21/09, 4:37 PM   #502
Pitbuller
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Originally Posted by Davidson View Post
If you don't drop any totems or use pets of any kind Hakkar won't MC you, making it a simple 1v1 encounter.
It's easy to claim this as death knight. Hakkar somehow is clueless how to mind controll this new clas properly. Have you seen any other class do it?

Edit: I found some videos that feral druid soloed him. But believe me I tried without totems and it still mind controlled me.

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Old 02/21/09, 4:46 PM   #503
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The mind control behaviour described (i.e., not using it when there is only one target on his threat list) entirely normal (comparative example: the baroness in Strat) and I would be quite surprised if it only applied to DKs.

I'd be curious to hear if Hakkar is actually unable to MC death knights (even when there are other players in combat with him). Has this actually been tested that or is it just speculation?
 
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Old 02/21/09, 5:11 PM   #504
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller View Post
It's easy to claim this as death knight. Hakkar somehow is clueless how to mind controll this new clas properly. Have you seen any other class do it?

Edit: I found some videos that feral druid soloed him. But believe me I tried without totems and it still mind controlled me.
I haven't tried soloing Hakkar yet but i think i will try it next mount run, if it works i'll share some pics. I've learnt not to be scared of CCs themselves when soloing stuff(bloodlord fear comes to mind here) but rather think what's gonna happen after the CC and in the CC, correct me if i am wrong but while mind controled the mob that does it, doesn't attack you, so sooner or later it should fade right ?
 
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Old 02/21/09, 5:28 PM   #505
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I've done a few attempts at Hakkar though no succesful kills, and he's never mind controlled me even while fighting with him for the full 10 minutes it takes before he goes berserk. A Death Knight in my guild also tried soloing him as Unholy, and had trouble with getting mind controlled when using his ghoul. Put simply, as long as there's only one thing Hakkar is in combat with, he won't use mind control.

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Old 02/22/09, 1:43 AM   #506
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Cleared AQ40 last night with 10 people, which is definitely not Ironmanning, however a word of warning to anyone who is planning on doing it -

C'thun's stomach acid seemed bugged. I searched a few sites and didn't see any mention of this. It was doing 10x the damage listed in tooltip and in spell database at wowhead - instead of 150/5secs it was doing 1500/5 secs per stack. Not a big deal if you got a healer and ranged dps in stomach, but if you got 2 melee unable to heal themselves it sucked really bad. (15k dmg every 5 secs at 10 stacks).

We had wiped several times to Skeram with 3-4 people (unresistable super buff MC + retadin or DK = bad) and it was pretty satisfying to destroy everything with 10 people. If you have a good class combination, you can probably 4 man the entire zone, but expect C'thun and Twin Emps to suck.

Also - out of curiosity - I remember reading about the engineering spam to kill Viscidious splits and how much of a pain it was, but I never killed him. When we did him last night, we took him to 1 hp then did the frost shatter thing, after which he died immediately. Why didn't people do it like that at level 60? Was it to prevent AE damage as much as possible or what?
 
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Old 02/22/09, 7:31 AM   #507
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Originally Posted by Grahamiam View Post
Also - out of curiosity - I remember reading about the engineering spam to kill Viscidious splits and how much of a pain it was, but I never killed him. When we did him last night, we took him to 1 hp then did the frost shatter thing, after which he died immediately. Why didn't people do it like that at level 60? Was it to prevent AE damage as much as possible or what?
It was simply not viable to plow through 2 million health with level 60 DPS, especially on Viscidus as he takes half the damage from attacks he normally would. The healing would not be able to last through the damage taken, and the caster DPS would long be out of mana before Viscidus would be that low on health.

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Old 02/22/09, 9:07 AM   #508
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Originally Posted by Chicken View Post
...simply, as long as there's only one thing Hakkar is in combat with, he won't use mind control.
I was at instance at alone. I didnät drop totems or used feral spirits. Still I did get Mc and Hakkar reseted. After that I have succesfull kil with combination of pvp trinket, feral spirits + tremor and searing totem. Guildie if mine a feral druid also claim this solo mind controlling wich leads reset everytime.

Another note: Have anyone soled Ayamiss the Hunter with shaman? Ossirian the Unscarred needed 30 wipes but still managed to solo him. I did have to spec improved ghost wolf to manage all movement fast enough. Supreme mode hit 4.2k so I needed crtystall debuff all the time. Buru was fun and still quite hard. Kurinaxx healing debuff is fixed and now actually have real mortal effect. Moam was only really farmamble boss as shaman.

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Old 02/22/09, 8:06 PM   #509
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I haven't gone in a few days, but I normally will solo all of ZG every reset as a feral druid. Hakkar has never MC'd me, and is actually a fairly simple fight. I'll just faerie fire a Son from above and kill it quickly for the poison. Mandokir is the hardest fight in there for me. I have to jump off the tower and heal up many times throughout the fight (No 2pc T5); for every other fight ILotP is enough healing.

I had trouble with Jin'do until I read somewhere (maybe here) to fight him in the skeleton pit. His totem will MC you, then bug out and you can keep fighting. I've never had his health reset.
 
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Old 02/22/09, 9:36 PM   #510
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Originally Posted by Grahamiam View Post
C'thun's stomach acid seemed bugged. I searched a few sites and didn't see any mention of this. It was doing 10x the damage listed in tooltip and in spell database at wowhead - instead of 150/5secs it was doing 1500/5 secs per stack. Not a big deal if you got a healer and ranged dps in stomach, but if you got 2 melee unable to heal themselves it sucked really bad. (15k dmg every 5 secs at 10 stacks).
The truth is that the damage in the stomach scales with your own spellpower, and seemingly at each tick for each stack. Physical classes such as rogues, warriors and hunters will take very little damage due to having close to 0 spellpower. The effect of this is that while casters will usually have to scramble out in panic to stay alive, one physical class can usually finish off both tentacles from full hp before he has to go out.

Why you couldn't find any information about this i don't know, it's been "public knowledge" since early 70 days when people started going back to AQ40.
 
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Old 02/23/09, 1:58 AM   #511
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller View Post
It's easy to claim this as death knight. Hakkar somehow is clueless how to mind controll this new clas properly. Have you seen any other class do it?

Edit: I found some videos that feral druid soloed him. But believe me I tried without totems and it still mind controlled me.
Did you pop Feral Spirit? Because any entity besides you will allow you to be mind controlled.

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Old 02/23/09, 2:43 AM   #512
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Correct me if I am wrong but I recall from 60 that feral druids could not get MCed.
 
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Old 02/23/09, 3:33 AM   #513
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Hakkar does NOT mind control if you solo him. I just did it this week as a warrior, no silly tricks involved.

Also, surprisingly easy as a warrior. I expected to have at least some trouble but it went smooth as silk. Much easier than 2-manning it due to the MC.

 
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Old 02/23/09, 4:00 AM   #514
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Originally Posted by wyre View Post
Correct me if I am wrong but I recall from 60 that feral druids could not get MCed.
I wish it were so ,-) But unfortunately we're perfectly vulnerable to these effects. Certainly Jin'Do's MC and the MC from the hoodoo piles work just fine, even when I (feral druid) am on my own. I haven't yet tried Hakkar solo to compare experiences since the bat boss is still giving me trouble (I'm sure he's doable as feral, but... tricky).
 
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Old 02/23/09, 4:45 AM   #515
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Originally Posted by Pitbuller View Post
I was at instance at alone. I didnät drop totems or used feral spirits. Still I did get Mc and Hakkar reseted. After that I have succesfull kil with combination of pvp trinket, feral spirits + tremor and searing totem. Guildie if mine a feral druid also claim this solo mind controlling wich leads reset everytime.
Was it really a Mind Control or actually Gouge effect from leaving High Priestess Arlokk up? It incapacitates you and makes Hakkar reset.
 
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Old 02/23/09, 7:32 AM   #516
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Originally Posted by wyre View Post
Correct me if I am wrong but I recall from 60 that feral druids could not get MCed.
Feral druids were immune to the aggro dropping Hex - Spell - World of Warcraft, if I remember correctly. I didn't play a druid back then, so i'm not certain what the advantage was, though.
 
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Old 02/23/09, 11:27 AM   #517
Pitbuller
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Was it really a Mind Control or actually Gouge effect from leaving High Priestess Arlokk up? It incapacitates you and makes Hakkar reset.
It was Mc and without totems or feral spirits and Hakkar reseted. Noone else was inside of zone. All priests was killed. Reseting was very annoying becouse it happened so many times but still managed get kill when I used tremor and searing totem.

Today I cleared Zg again and pulled Hakkar with totems up. (wf, str/agi, healing stream and flame tongue) I didn't get single MC. Searing totem and feral spirits would still cause Mc. Only difference was that today I killed Jindo before Hakkar. But I don't belive that Jindo have anything to do about that. Maybe it sometimes bugs and still MC even if you are alone becouse I am not only one who have seen that.

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Old 02/24/09, 9:42 AM   #518
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I soloed Hakkar before as a ret paladin and there was no mind control (except when I foolishly popped my emerald boar). Also, the life drain is low enough for level 80 dps that you can just burn down through it and not bother with pulling sons.
 
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Old 02/27/09, 2:35 PM   #519
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Just killed Hakkar with two priestess up. Fight was one of the hardest solo encounter I have ever done. I started with all aspects up and managed get only 95%. Then I figured that stun is too hard to manage and killed Marli. Another try and frenzy just beated me up so I have to kill tiger boss too. After that it would be doable but gouge allways reseted fight. I tried put tremor and searing totem down so gouge didn't reset him anymore but then fight was nightmare to handdle. Silence, mind controll and gouge spam was too much. I then killed panther boss and started figure how I survive long fight with +100% damage buff, random silence and poison. I used basic solo spec with pve gear and caster mainhand. With double windfury maelstorm heals just barely kept me going. I taked about 700damage per second. How many aspects other classes have managed? Is it even possible solo with all priestess up?

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Old 02/28/09, 10:05 PM   #520
Grahamiam
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Recommendation - If you have 3-4 people willing to do it, Magtheridon is a fun and fairly lucrative kill. Recommended team would be Tank/Healer/DPS DK/Rogue - The DPS DK can use death grip to pull individual channelers away from the tank, you have mindnumbing + kick from rogue. I've heard it's 2-3 mannable by leaving the adds up too, but killing them wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. We did it really easily with Protadin/Tree/SurvHunter/Elemental/FFB Mage in 10 man gear. The hardest part was keeping the infernals off the healer while still keeping the channelers spread out, and the death coils on the trash leading up to him was pretty annoying.

For our troubles we got ~500g (100g apiece), a 20 slot bag and a few epics for DE.
 
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Old 02/28/09, 10:44 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by Grahamiam View Post
Recommendation - If you have 3-4 people willing to do it, Magtheridon is a fun and fairly lucrative kill. Recommended team would be Tank/Healer/DPS DK/Rogue - The DPS DK can use death grip to pull individual channelers away from the tank, you have mindnumbing + kick from rogue. I've heard it's 2-3 mannable by leaving the adds up too, but killing them wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. We did it really easily with Protadin/Tree/SurvHunter/Elemental/FFB Mage in 10 man gear. The hardest part was keeping the infernals off the healer while still keeping the channelers spread out, and the death coils on the trash leading up to him was pretty annoying.

For our troubles we got ~500g (100g apiece), a 20 slot bag and a few epics for DE.
You're better off 5-manning the outdoor bosses each week, since they drop the same amount of gold but are easier and faster to kill.
 
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Old 03/01/09, 8:52 AM   #522
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If anyone is still doubting, DKs can very much get MC'd by Hakkar. If you try to solo him with a Ghoul/Gargoyle/Bloodworms out, you'll get MC'd. Which means he's impossible to solo if you're specced for Bloodworms. >.<
 
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Old 03/01/09, 9:30 AM   #523
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TLDR: all of MC except Gehennas; all of Karazhan except Netherspite; AQ40: Skeram, Sartura and Viscidus soloable by death knights

I was bored last week so i specced for "survival" with my DK and headed into MC for some legendary farming. Lucifron was a bit tricky at first, but after i got used to double-rune-cost-rotations he fell pretty quick. The rest of the bosses were very straight forward except for Gehennas who put out too much damage for my spec/gear to deal with. Since a retri paladin of my guild wanted to join for the Ragnaros achievement we downed Gehennas and Ragnaros together. I'm pretty sure Ragnaros is soloable and Gehennas with a different spec too.
As i already soloed ZG and most of Aq20 (no incentive to go to Buru and Ayakiss after Ossirian) my next step was Karazhan. Attumen and Maiden were a walk in to park and Moroes got easy once Mortal Strike and Disarm-adds were down. I got Big Bad Wolf event were i had to give up in an earlier ID. But with a permaghoul doing most of the damage and using the non-riding hood phases for selfheal, he died on the first try.
Next up was the Curator which proved to be the hardest fight for a death knight in Karazhan. Part of this difficulty was his immunity to diseases which results in zero healing from death strike. Over several attempts i managed a sustainable healing rotation on the spawned adds with damage phases while he uses evocation. The hardest part was his 15% enrage were he stops evocation and astral flare spawn. This means you have to survive 15% of his HP without death strike healing and without the damage bonus of evocation. Going into the 15% range with all CDs up worked out in the end and he died with me surviving with 2k HP left.
Aran and Illhoof were easy as expected but the Chess Event turned out to be the encounter i spent the most time on. I believe it is entirely dependant on medivhs moves. After several attempts he managed to bring his king and healers into cleave range of my king and somehow focused his damage on pawns.
The prince was again tank and spank. I tried Netherspite two times but couldn't find a way to stop him from either getting 0% dmg or getting healed to full every tick, so i quit Karazhan for this day since i had no urn to summon Nightbane.


Still hungry for challenging solocontent i stepped into Aq40 only to get destroyed several times by Skeram's splits. It seems like you can get lucky on splitpositions and not aggro the images. Though he can aggro them by teleporting on their position. I didn't want to rely on range bugs and luck to beat him so i left the instance to craft some nature resistance gear and spec for acclimation (which worked wonders). I came back with 115 resists from gear (+frost aura/acclimation) and downed Skeram with no problems. Next up was Sartura which was surprisingly easy.. like no damage incoming at all.
After two Fankriss tries i gave up on the idea to beat him solo and crossed his room to Viscidus (Fankriss aggroed but leashed on the way to Viscidus). Since i never killed/tried Viscidus at level 60 i had to read up on his mechanics....INFIGHT!
Yes, Viscidus hits like a little girl and it was no problem to tab out and read up some strategies while he desperately tried to kill me. Triggering his freeze phases took forever with only icy touch and froststrike and after several attempts to shatter him while frozen, i realized it cannot be done with a 2hander and solo. Even summoning army of the dead could not manage to put out enough melee hits to shatter him. Since i was probably 1 hour infight with him already and only got 3 freeze phases and still 20% hp left on his bar, i called it for the night, reset the encounter and hearthed out...
... only to come back the next day with 2 Dalaran Swords (1,4sec speed) runeforged with Razorice. With this setup i was able to get him to frozen state within seconds. As i needed to get the most out of his shatter phase and army of the dead, i needed to know exactly when he would freeze. Counting frost attacks in recount revealed:
first freezing emote: 100 attacks
second emote: 50 attacks
third emote/frozen: 50 attacks
for a total of 200 frostattacks per shatter attempt. After not beeing able to get in enough melee hits with those weapons, the army and ghoul for him to shatter, i was pretty disappointed. My last hope/idea was a Potion of Speed. I waited until 195 frost attacks, popped unholy presence, Potion of Speed, army of the dead, gargoyle and crossed fingers. He shattered and i was only able to kill 3 small slimes before he was reformed. Since i could only take ONE Potion of Speed for only ONE shatter phase, i had to reset the fight again.
The next 35-40min were spent getting Viscidus down to 1 HP and then pray for a successful shatter attempt with Potion of Speed and army. He finally died on that attempt and i was back to the Fankriss problem.
I wasn't able to ride by and reset him on the way to Huhuran since he teleports and wraps me before. It is possible to let the mortal wounds debuff run out, if you tank him far away from web-places so it takes him >10sec to reach you again for the next debuffapplication. But there are so many adds and the worms have too much hp to get them killed all while beeing webbed (no avoidance?) 50%+ of the fight.
I am open for any advice or ideas on how to beat fankriss solo.
The bug family seemed impossible with fear+heal. I couldn't even survive long enough to run her out of mana due to damage taken while feared.

This beeing said, i'm looking forward to 3.1 and possibly being able to solo Gehennas, Ragnaros and ZA. (I haven't yet stepped into ZA since you need 5ppl to open the door).
Has anyone tried to solo Razorgore? (channeling "pushback" mechanic working on the orb?)
 
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Old 03/01/09, 10:03 AM   #524
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For Viscidus, there is no need to shatter him and kill slimes before he's at 1%. Just take him down to 1% normally, then do exactly what you did and he will die.
 
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Old 03/01/09, 10:28 AM   #525
BeeLz
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C'thun's stomach acid seemed bugged. I searched a few sites and didn't see any mention of this. It was doing 10x the damage listed in tooltip and in spell database at wowhead - instead of 150/5secs it was doing 1500/5 secs per stack. Not a big deal if you got a healer and ranged dps in stomach, but if you got 2 melee unable to heal themselves it sucked really bad. (15k dmg every 5 secs at 10 stacks).
That bug was already there at the end of TBC, I could maybe get 1 cast off inside the stomach before dying if I didn't get healed :p.
Another bug I encountered with C'thun is that his dark glare position is off. I got hit with dark glare while being in a 90° angle of it which made me look like a noob
 
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